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11:17 am
December 10, 2008
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CrowTRobot
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James Fox, filmmaker of the UFO documentary "Out of the Blue" (I don't know, I'm just reading it off the program description), joins the team to investigate whether the lights seen over Arizona in 1997 have returned. History Channel, 9:00 Central.
I think the lights have been fairly successfully explained; but I'm posting this because (a) it's a new show and (b) there was a short discussion on the Arizona lights in another thread recently.
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1:48 pm
December 10, 2008
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I agree. The other show clearly showed what the lights were. Not sure why they are re-hashing this.
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I've found that being AWESOME is a full time job…
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8:11 am
December 12, 2008
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Patrick
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I finally got to watch this ep last night. I will start by saying the first few eps of this season gave me hope that UFO Hunters had turned a corner and were going to be more skeptical in their investigations. Ted especially. But then last night happened. The Phoenix lights have been so thoroughly bebunked, I couldn't believe they were doing this show and trying to say this was still extraterrestrial. They kept saying that evidence that they weren't flares was that the didn't "burn out" in order. No mention whatsoever of the terrain and the mountain.
And the "test" they did, what a joke. OK, so we are going to use flares, but not the flares that the US said they used. Oh, and we are going to do this over the ocean on a cold, windy night, not in the desert on a still night. Oh, and we aren't going to shoot them off at the same distance from the observers as the original "lights" but closer so you can see them better. And we are going to do this 17 years after the event. Should get a perfect answer, right? :)
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8:16 am
December 12, 2008
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CrowTRobot
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…and we're not going to drop them from a plane, we're going to shoot them from a boat.
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9:19 am
December 12, 2008
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Patrick
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CrowTRobot said:
…and we're not going to drop them from a plane, we're going to shoot them from a boat.
…. and we aren't going to let the observers get tanked like they were when they saw the first set…. :)
Let's see how long we can keep this going.
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9:23 am
December 12, 2008
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Andy
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Hey Patrick, any new HH vids on the horizon?
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11:05 am
December 12, 2008
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Patrick
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It's Friday and my brain is fried. What's an HH vid?
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10:07 pm
December 12, 2008
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FORMERGHFAN
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Her is for me the final word on the Phoenix Lights. I am SHOCKED that the guys at UFO Hunters
overlooked this. I am angry actually that they would not do something as simple as shoot a daylight plate
from the same location the video was taken when they were there and equally angry that they would
not stabilize the footage and combine them. They obviously didn't because they wouldn't have a show.
This video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the simplest explanation is the right one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAljVczVFmU
Flares. Forget that people are claiming they saw a triangular ship. If they did then why
are the only videos ones of Flares in the distance?
Show us a video of a huge boomerang hanging over your house….oh wait! You can't because you don't have one.
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12:18 pm
December 13, 2008
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FORMERGHFAN said:
Her is for me the final word on the Phoenix Lights. I am SHOCKED that the guys at UFO Hunters
overlooked this….
Definitely don't be shocked. Bill is like the Editor in Chief of UFO Magazine or something. One episode they met a guy who said he saw a strange light in the sky a couple of times and felt an odd connection to it, and Bill came right out and told the guy he was a human-alien hybrid. Pat had to take him aside and basically say, "What the heck are you doing, man?" — and Pat isn't really all that skeptical. Ted is the only skeptical one, and pretty much the only person I pay attention to in a given episode besides the eyewitnesses. They had a fourth guy but they seem to have lost him between seasons. All in all, UFO Hunters tends towards credulousness.
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4:19 pm
December 13, 2008
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FORMERGHFAN
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Im shocked that they didn't do something as simple as shoot a plate of the BG in the daytime and
overlay it.
Done.
It's obvious they knew about it but left it out.
Again these are TV shows. There wouldn't be anything exciting about an episode of the phoenix lights
if they did that. The show would be ten minutes long.
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2:38 am
December 14, 2008
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I am glad that I found this site. I am open to the idea of paranormal phenomenon, but I have yet to see anything that convinces me. I recently replied to someone on a UFO Youtube video; the person stated that "one could argue the existence of UFOs — with all of the overwhelming evidence." I asked for him to please give me the overwhelming evidence; this was the reply:
"One example: Phoenix lights, thousands of eyewitnesses and countless footage, never been explained.
2nd Example: NASA transmissions (YouTube "Top Secret UFO Nasa Tapes") where an astronaut specifically tells Houston "We have the alien spacecraft under observance."
Edgar Mitchell, Gordon Cooper, Buzz Aldrin, and many other astronauts have seen and recounted their own UFO sightings. I may not believe Joe Sixpack, but renowned astronauts such as these and actual recorded NASA transmissions, YES!!"
This is the "overwhelming evidence?" The Phoenix lights have long since been explained and the anecdotal evidence provided by astronauts is interesting but hardly overwhelming.
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5:17 pm
December 14, 2008
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FORMERGHFAN
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You are exactly right Bigfoot
There is this notion that testimony from professional people such as Astronauts, Lawyers, scientists is proof or somehow infallible. These are normal people with the same brains as everyone else and are suceptive
to the same mistakes everyone else is. Their memories work the same and as such are
not perfect. Albeit there observations due to their training can help them in indentification, but how many cops are trained to identify an alien spaceship?
none.
They are keen observers because of there training, but can also make the same mistakes just like everyone else, or their memories can get corrupted over time.
I firmly believe there is a small window for gathering testimony when it comes to eyewitnesses.
It is pretty much useless to interview people years after an event and have them recant what they saw.
The people will not lie but the information in their brains gets corrupted like a file in a computer, it is a proven fact.
With time these stories gather moss like a rolling stone and build up into incredulous tales that corrupt our memories.
The one UFO Hunters I did enjoy was the one about the real Roswell. They actually laid out different modern materials and had an eyewitness pick out the one that was closest to the "Memory Metal" we all have heard about. He ended up picking out Mylar, which at the time was an unknown material but could have easily been a top secret material at the time.
No need to believe it had to be extra-terrestrial.
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5:27 pm
December 14, 2008
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