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7:35 pm
February 3, 2011


Nosfer

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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech…..s_20110203

Interesting pair of videos concatenated at the bottom of the article.  Taken from much different angles and locations but in both videos the object just does not appear to be right, like it's in a different plane than the area where the Dome is.  Almost as if added after the fact to both videos?

Check out the narrator at the end:

"We are not alone"  pauses, then dramatically and slowly: "or…are…we?"

I think he got that reversed Laugh

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10:42 pm
February 3, 2011


morticia

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The video that is closer does look odd, you would think that if something came down that was glowing a bright white that big that it should have illuminated the city or at least the top of the dome.  Just think what a large firework is lit how much that will illuminate.

The one that is at a farther distance make the light look the same as others to the right.  It stops in the same horizon and is the same size which again is odd.

11:10 pm
February 3, 2011


Axel Olrik

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Nosfer said:

"We are not alone"  pauses, then dramatically and slowly: "or…are…we?"

I think he got that reversed Laugh

 

I think he did what he had to do…meaning being secondary to form.

"We are alone…or…are..we?"  Just doesn't have the same dramatic punch.  Why would one say "We are alone" while watching an authentic display of modern alien technology?

And where is Giorgio Tsoukalos when you need him?

 

3:46 am
February 4, 2011


Revenant

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I found this video somewhat interesting…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

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4:46 am
February 4, 2011


Stephen

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The videos aren't consistent, I don't think. The far shots show a flash that's missing from the close-in shot. I guess those might be from outside of the frame of the close shot, but it should change the illumination somewhat. Plus the "hick American tourist" voices on the close video don't register any surprise there, and the flash should be quite nearby for them.

The blob in the close-in shot looks incredibly two-dimensional. It's what I would get if I drew a fuzzy circle in Apple Motion, dragged it up, and used motion interpolation to have it fly. It never goes behind anything or does anything other than randomly grow and shrink.

Of course, we have videos from three supposedly independent sources. Have the people who took the videos come forward to be identified? Are there any on-scene eyewitnesses?

Apparently a fourth video has emerged, with some slightly better rendering on the blob. However, the shape of the blob in the fourth video doesn't match the ones in any other shot!

One or two videos might just be a random prank. Four videos, ramping up in quality? I suspect a media campaign.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

11:21 am
February 4, 2011


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Stephen, I am beginning to suspect a marketing campaign as well.  Remember, JJ Abrams has Super 8 coming out this year, basically Cloverfield with an alien monster.  We know how he loves to do viral marketing.  Don't be surprised if this isn't Abrams or another in the long line of alien/sci fi films in production.

11:46 am
February 4, 2011


Nosfer

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They seemed to make a big deal about it being filmed from different perspectives and different people but that just made me even more suspicious since it looked hokey in each of them.  Like I said, it's like it's not in the correct dimension (no not talking parallel universes lol)  It's too FLAT and doesn't even appear to be over the Dome in three-dimensional space but rather over it only in two-dimensional space…and add on to the video after the fact.

The fact that there are multiple angles doesn't mean anything if this is a bigger production, simply get footage from four perspectives, do some editing, and claim they are from independent witnesses.

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12:12 pm
February 4, 2011


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Post edited 12:14 pm – February 4, 2011 by Revenant


Just a quick word about perception and reality…

Last night, I looked at a few of these videos on Youtube and against my better judgement…I read some of the comments (which I rarely ever do).  Those that "believe" accuse those that question the videos of essentially paranoia.  "How do you explain the peoples' reactions in the background?  Are they all fake?"

Possibly.

For example, when people join hands and form a circle around an elephant with a giant cloth over it and Cris Angel yells, pulls the sheet and the elephant is now gone…is that real?  Are those people "not in on it?"  I hate to destroy the illusion and all…but…people are getting paid for their gasps and shocked looks.

In this particular case, the reactions of unknown people is immaterial.  If I were faking these videos, I would have some people murmuring in the background in at least one of them.  It's apart of the effect…the illiusion.

Sorry…just wanted to throw that in since I read many comments echoing that mentality and I just wanted to address it.

Overall…I agree with a few others here…this could quite possibly be a marketing ploy for a new movie or whatever. 

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1:16 pm
February 4, 2011


Stephen

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Arguing for a JJ Abrams connection: the object in the fourth video looks like lens flare, Abrams' favorite video effect!

As for Rev's point on the background voices, it's hard for me to judge the non-English ones, but in Video 3, the Deep South accents seem slightly fake. More to the point, the dialogue saying that they see UFOs all the time back home sounds like a joke about UFOs being seen by backwoods hicks in the middle of nowhere.

Putting the American tourists in means that whatever they're marketing has some kind of American audience. So I think Patrick has a good idea on this one.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

1:55 pm
February 4, 2011


thetalkingmongoose

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I was hoping you'd get around to discussing this.  I've been looking at stuff about these videos for several days, and it seems like the close-up view has proven to be done from a still photograph.  I was wondering why all those tourists were up at 1 a.m. anyway.  Pah.  I do like the big mothership high up in the long-distance shot, though.  I want to believe.  But…

 

Now you need to look at the film from Utah a few days earlier.  Next stop, Rome.  Or Varanasi. 

11:03 pm
February 4, 2011


Stephen

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If anyone is interested in doing a recreation of this video, let me know. Basically, I'd need two similar views of a recognizable landmark from about a mile away, ideally from above. Best if they were shot using a tripod or something else to steady the camera so that I could add camera motion artificially. I'd also want a shot from the same location with the camera handheld and shaking a bit for comparison. Then, finally, I'd want a close-in still shot of the same landmark under similar lighting conditions.

I can add a very basic UFO. It wouldn't look as good as the fourth video, but I think I can probably more-or-less duplicate the first two. It would be an amusing exercise, if nothing else.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

11:19 pm
February 4, 2011


Nosfer

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Post edited 11:44 pm – February 4, 2011 by Nosfer


Few questions:

How long of duration of footage?  Minute?

Tripod footage for a minute then handheld "shaking" for a minute from Point A and then Tripod footage for a minute then handheld "shaking" for a minute?

One zoomed in shot from Point A and then one zoomed in from Point B?

If, say, at 35mm on the dome, what focal length zoom in would you want?

Edited:

640x480 alright or HD (1280)?  Full HD (1920)?

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11:44 pm
February 4, 2011


Stephen

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Hey thetalkingmongoose/Gef, your wish is my command.

Nosfer: Hmm, good questions. I'd want to duplicate the backgrounds from the videos as much as possible. I'd say 3 minutes of steady from Point A. (If you feel like acting, give me an additional shot where you pretend to see something amazing and I'll see if it works.) About a minute of shaky-cam from A should make the point. I'm trying to create a visual test of the idea that the video that Rev pointed out made– that since there was no parallax shift of the remote object, then the shakiness was added artificially.

A zoomed-in still shot from Point B (closer to the landmark) is fine. If it's a recognizable landmark, I could probably pull stock shots from the web like they did, but if you can get a good still from a different angle, that would be even better.

I can't promise too much. I'm a fair hand with Motion, but haven't actually tried to fake a UFO with it before.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

11:55 pm
February 4, 2011


Nosfer

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So then:

From Point A (1 mile): 3 minutes of tripod mounted footage, then 1 minute of "Shaky" footage, approx 35mm

From Point B (1.5 mile): 3 minutes of tripod mounted footage, then 1 minute of "Shaky" footage, similar FL

From Point B (1.5 mile): A zoomed still, maybe 100mm to 150mm

I can do 640x480, HD, or FULL HD, your call, although the HD versions could make for some rather big files to transfer.

I think I can get the angles, I know one would be from above, one might be a bit closer to ground level but will see what I can do. 

Only concern is lighting is going to be fairly dull the next few days as we are under cloudy skies and occasional snow.

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12:15 am
February 5, 2011


Stephen

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I'd prefer HD (but not full HD)– always easier to downsample than up. We can use DropBox to transfer the files. Unfortunately I'm going to be busy most of the weekend, or I'd pop up and film the Golden Gate Bridge.

Anything high-contrast is good, since their UFO is essentially a white blob.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

12:20 am
February 5, 2011


Nosfer

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I'll see what I can shoot tomorrow, not supposed to be too bad before 11 (snowwise) and my intended target dome would be in good lighting from the locations I've chosen…if there is any sun.  Contrast with the UFO might be the issue with the clouds and general "dullness"  …Think polar bears on ice Laugh

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9:50 am
February 5, 2011


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Thank you, Stephen!  How many wishes do I get?  Because if it's three, then there's a Monsterquest Bigfoot episode that…  Well, later.  First things first. 

There are too many videos now – it's way confusing.  I'm guessing you're going to try to replicate what I think of as the close-up still photo, and the long-distance shot with the guy in the foreground?  There's a "long" version of that one (over two minutes) where the camera stays on the stationary light so long I was starting to mumble about it having to be the planet Venus.  And then there's one said to be (I think) taken by the cell phone of the guy standing in the frame of the that one, which I don't get, because on the split-screen view version, it looks like the same film cropped differently, right down to where it focuses on the mothership at the same moment for the same length of time.  But I could be wrong – I've only watched it a couple of times. 

If it is J.J. Abrams, I'm going to be very disappointed, because the long-version video made me feel like – at last!  I've seen what I've read about being witnessed by other people – the phenomenal acceleration, the giant triangular craft hovering over head – it quite gave me a turn.  But if it's a hoax, I commend them for not going overboard. It's nicely done.  It's interesting that you can't really see the "mothership" shape, but the pattern of circling lights gives you a subtle suggestion of the thing.  Ah, well.  Hope springs eternal. 

I look forward to seeing your versions. 

1:23 pm
February 6, 2011


Nosfer

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Discovery weighing in on the possibility/probability of it being a hoax.  They touch on a few things we've raised here.

http://news.discovery.com/spac…..-hoax.html

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2:45 pm
February 7, 2011


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Stephen,

Having lived in Mississippi for a short time, I'll be proud to provide the southern accents for the background voices…

I….I'm thinking.

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