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1:09 pm
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Nosfer
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6:14 pm
May 8, 2011
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Axel Olrik
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Ethereal Wolves? I love it.
The CCTV footage…meh. You really can't see anything other than the blankets billow up, the blankets billow down. It seems like there would be at least a dozen ways to fake it.
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6:32 pm
May 8, 2011
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Axel Olrik said:
It seems like there would be at least a dozen ways to fake it.
True, there are. However, what is it that we've been complaining about for about 10 months now about the premise behind FoF?
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10:18 pm
May 8, 2011
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Post edited 2:14 am – May 9, 2011 by Learjet
Nosfer said:
…. However, what is it that we've been complaining about for about 10 months now about the premise behind FoF?
That would be just because something can be re-created doesn't mean it was faked.
So…. we just have to trust them. 
AND…. a really late edit to include: Just because something can't be re-created doesn't mean it isn't fake. In all we have to look at the bigger picture.
In the case of the Moon landings we have a plethora of evidence, many people and a paper trail spread across many countries.
In the above abduction video we have their word for it because video evidence by itself isn't worth dirt. Sometimes there just isn't enough evidence to draw a conclusion.
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8:07 am
May 9, 2011
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Post edited 8:08 am – May 9, 2011 by Nosfer
Yup, that's exactly what I was going for…we can't rule it as fake STRICTLY on the video evidence alone. Unless, of course, there is something in that video that betrays it such as wires, string, etc.
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8:34 am
May 9, 2011
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Axel Olrik
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But neither can it be called, "compelling evidence". Not all videos are created equal.
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8:56 am
May 9, 2011
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Axel Olrik said:
But neither can it be called, "compelling evidence". Not all videos are created equal.
I don't think I saw the words "compelling evidence" used anywhere to describe it.
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9:40 am
May 9, 2011
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Axel Olrik
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No, but some videos are more compelling than others, so that I think, whether or not you can make a definitive judgement based on any video, you can make a considered judgement on whether the video/photo supports the claims.
And in this case….I don't see anything that supports the woman's original story, with her daughter stroking her hair and "reassuring" her as she lay on the gurney waiting for "transportation."
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11:13 am
May 9, 2011
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Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.
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12:03 pm
May 9, 2011
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Nosfer
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Axel Olrik said:
And in this case….I don't see anything that supports the woman's original story, with her daughter stroking her hair and "reassuring" her as she lay on the gurney waiting for "transportation."
No, it doesn't. But, that was a completely separate (alleged) incident that (allegedly) took place 6 days prior so I wouldn't expect the footage to show that. She did not claim that her daughter was with her stroking her hair during the CCTV incident.
Everything does have to be looked at in it's entirely, but just being able to fake the video doesn't prove anything one way or another. Much like most of the FoF episodes. I have more troubles with some of the other parts of this story than I do the video ITSELF. I DO have problems with them saying they can't convert it etc, though.
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5:19 pm
May 9, 2011
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Axel Olrik
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Nosfer said:
But, that was a completely separate (alleged) incident that (allegedly) took place 6 days prior so I wouldn't expect the footage to show that. She did not claim that her daughter was with her stroking her hair during the CCTV incident.
No, but she does claim that she was "taken again" which suggests that it was a similar event…the first of which her daughter, who the woman claims was present and aware of with her, still doesn't seem to remember.
Throw in the subsequent "etherial" Wolves, disembodied Cougar growls, door knockings and family attribution of the activity to "Jinns", and it sounds like it falls more into the "paranormal" sphere.
So, why this video, which shows nothing really, should be broadcast as an "alien abduction", is curious, at the least.
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5:46 pm
May 9, 2011
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Oh I don't put much stock in the whole story at the moment, too many "red flags" My whole contention, though, was that what was seen in the video, itself, wasn't a key factor in saying the story had problems.
Axel Olrik said:
Throw in the subsequent "etherial" Wolves, disembodied Cougar growls, door knockings and family attribution of the activity to "Jinns", and it sounds like it falls more into the "paranormal" sphere.
More into paranormal as opposed to what? Are UFOs not "paranormal"?
ie, "Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation" "above the normal"
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6:30 pm
May 9, 2011
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I don't think that actual alien visitations would be paranormal…a growing body of scientific theory in support of intelligent life somewhere in the universe seems to make them plausible, and within the range of scientific investigation as we know it.
Else what's a SETI for?
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6:44 pm
May 9, 2011
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There's an "or" in that definition, though. And when looking at the word itself and parsing it's meaning, UFOs qualify. They are not a normal occurrence even if there is a growing body of scientific theory supporting (not proving, just supporting) it.
Until they are an everyday (every week?) occurrence, actual alien visitations are well beyond the normal, or para.
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11:20 pm
May 9, 2011
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Axel Olrik said:
So, why this video, which shows nothing really, should be broadcast as an "alien abduction", is curious, at the least.
Because everyone knows that LGM have the Star Trek type of transporter (minus the tinkerbell music and twinkly flashing lights) that can take them from anywhere at any time.
And, let's not forget that UFO's and LGM are not in this dimension most of the time so they're pretty hard to catch.
Revenant is going to run out of red cards soon.
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11:24 pm
May 9, 2011
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The existence of ETs out there somewhere is not paranormal. They're either out there, or they're not.
Visits from aliens that look like Wah Chang sculptures and have the power and desire to teleport us out of our beds at night and subject us to medical procedures… well, I invoke Clarke's Third Law: "Any technology, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic." It would certainly be paranormal if she claimed that witches had made her disappear. Aliens are just different window dressing.
As for the video itself: I'm not even completely convinced that there's anything here requiring explanation. We see an outline of something– we assume a sleeping body. The sheets billow up, as though she'd pushed them up with legs or butt. Then they go down again, and we can't make out her outline. Is she just curled up next to her husband? Did the etherial wolves get her? Then the sheets billow up again, as they would if someone were shifting position, and we can see her outline. Yes, it could certainly be a magic trick, or it could just be someone who doesn't sleep well.
(Etherial wolves? Sometimes I think we should just make up our own odd paranormal concept, like demon ducks, and see if we can get the community to pick it up.)
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2:31 am
May 10, 2011
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Stephen said:
(Etherial wolves? Sometimes I think we should just make up our own odd paranormal concept, like demon ducks, and see if we can get the community to pick it up.)
RCS at your service…may we help you?
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9:16 am
May 10, 2011
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Stephen said:
The existence of ETs out there somewhere is not paranormal. They're either out there, or they're not.
They are out there or not, true. Independent of us. But, OUR perception of them still is that they are beyond the normal experience.
Couldn't one also say that the existence of ghosts out there is not paranormal, too? They either exist, or they don't
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9:53 am
May 10, 2011
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I hear echoes of the "is cryptozoology paranormal" thread…
Well, believers think that ghosts exist and yet they're still paranormal.
Beyond normal experience? Ghost Hunters find ghosts at every investigation now. Beyond normal would be NOT finding ghosts everywhere lol. Therefore not finding ghosts is paranormal. 
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