EDIT:  Scroll down a couple of posts - I made some "animated gifs" and uploaded them - they show much better than the screen-snaps… /EDIT

Hi all.  I previously posted this topic HERE (POPS)…

I've now rec'd a response from the guy who posted this on YouTube, and he sent me a link to download the 850mb HQ source.  I've asked him if I can share the D/L — seems to me anyone who wanted it could get it from "keepvid" off YouTube, but …

In the mean-time, what follows are screen-caps done in "Virtual Dub." I used the "copy frame to clipboard" option and pasted to pbrush, added the frame number in the bottom/left corner then saved as jpg.  I have done no other editing/brightening/nothing of any kind except paste, label and save.

The relevant frames are 555-560 and 4190-4205.

I have no dog in this fight, it isn't my video, I'm no expert but I have to say I'm impressed - if it is a deliberate fake it seems (to my amateur eyes) to be a good one. 

I don't know how to make the images full-size on screen, doesn't look like I can, so I would recommend clicking them, then saving to your HDD and scrolling through them.

I would really appreciate any input you may have.

This is literally THE most convincing vid I have seen - if this is paradolia then…??!!

Somehow I fear I'm going to end up finding out I've been scammed, which is about the ONLY reason I'm maintaining my usual cynicism here…

Please be nice - I'm just sharing what I have found…

DD

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Again, for clarity - this isn't my vid, I wasn't there, I don't know the guy who was - I just found it posted on another site and e-mailed the guy to ask for the HQ file…  I'm looking for explanations just like everyone else!!

I included frames "before" and "after for both sets, and in the second some "in the middle" because it comes in and out of view a couple of times.  I did this to show how they seem to appear and fade in the video - to me this makes it much more "believable" than simply looking at the one clearest frame by itself.

Scroll through the frames all the way and you should see it quite clearly - if not then you probably have your monitor set waay too dark - try turning up the brightness…

In the first set, there's nothing in the first and last frames - the rest show the figure of a child appears to form and fade in the door-frame to the right of the screen.  To me it looks like it's wearing little bib-overalls, but that's probaby my "country" upbringing getting in the way…  It's clearest in 557-558.

In the second set is what appears to be a naked child in a "fetal" sort of position - sitting on the chair with its feet on the chair-seat.  As before it fades in and out at beginning and end, in this case it comes "in-out-in-out"…  It's clearest in frame 4205 - looks to be the same child seen in the doorway - dark hair makes the face seem to "end" above the eyebrows, but the facial features are totally clear as are shoulders, lower legs and feet.

I've never seen anything so clear that wasn't easily determined to be a deliberate fake.

If you can't see this, try turning up the brightness on your monitor.

I'm going to see if I can figure out how to make an "animated gif" out of the frames…

DD

To tell the truth, the "kid" in the doorway looks like a doll.  I collect dolls and some can be 3 ft tall, even larger. 

It looks like whatever is on the chair is not the same image that's in the doorway. 

Just playing the skeptic here, but the way this is presented on YouTube does not lend credibility to it.  It's like they want to play around with the viewers instead of seriously presenting video for review.

IF this is real, it is extremely creepy and interesting.  Unfortunately, with all the editing software available today, it's going to get harder and harder to separate legitimate evidence and something that was worked over on a PC.

It's a good job, I'll grant you that.  What is needed is a video expert (not in the paranormal field) who is given the clip without telling him/her what is supposed to be there and then see what is found (or not).

The shakiness also is a big distraction. 

I'm glad you posted it.  It is creepy looking and the location looks spooky.  I'll have to watch it several times before I can reach any conclusion.

OMG-a spider!  There goes Steve…..

Oubliette said:

To tell the truth, the "kid" in the doorway looks like a doll.  I collect dolls and some can be 3 ft tall, even larger.

It looks like whatever is on the chair is not the same image that's in the doorway. 

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Leslie said:

… For me,it just  seems to be a matter of matrixing. It is a lot easier to pick out possible 'ghosts' from a still photo because more time can be spent studying it, and giving the mind a chance to create something that seems familiar. It is a creepy video, and with that in mind, it would be reason enough to go back over it expecting to see something creepy.

Looked like a doll to me too, but the rest is hard to explain…  The "face" on the chair-thing looks the same, though…

I also agree about the original vid - it's hard to spot but once you know where it is, it is clearly there as it flashes by.

It's impressive as hell, looking at the original video frame-by-frame - the way it fades in and out…  If it's a fake it's a good one to my amateur eyes.

I can't personally believe this one is "matrixing" - what I'm seeing isn't a trick of MY eyes…  It may be an illusion, produced by reflecting light or something, but there are very clear figures there.  The way the lights move on the "chair" section, the lights are clearly in different places both times the figure appears…

I've asked the guy for permission to post the link to the original vid - it's 850mb though…  If he agrees I'll trim it down so just the part where there's something to see is included - that may get it down under 100mb…

I've looked at a lot of "ghost" pics and vids, and seen few I couldn't easily figure out how to fake.  This one is the first I've seen that really "grabbed" me…

EDIT:  ON the TAPS forum, he posted the download link so I figure it's OK for me to do the same here.

As he said in his message to me:

[quote]Here is the link to the HQ video, it is quite a large file size:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3wcoixm0

If you are not familiar with megaupload, simply enter the 3 digit verification, click download, then wait 45 seconds for the link to appear, then download.

Warning, the video does contain adult language, as you probably already know.

[/quote]

"it's just too BAD to be a fake!"  You might have a point there.   It's fun to watch in any case. 

Ok - you got me…

"Jesus?"

DD

ROFL - thanks for clarifying!

I was trying to figure out if I'd missed something in this vid…

As an aside, it says a lot about us as a people that an image of a bearded man is almost always "Jesus" - don't you think?

Well, Jesus or the ZZTop guy… 

DD

If I missed the answer I apologize but my first question would be: "How on earth did they (the filmmakers) see this to begin with?" We required a lot of direction and slow motion to see it. It amazes me they caught it at all when viewing it, especially if that is not something they were looking for. For instance if this was a ghost hunt or something which it could have been yet  on yt he said he didn't believe in ghosts before seeing these, so I dont know. This in no way means it's fake, it is just the first question that comes to mind for me. What were they looking for anyway in that place that would make them play this at home and then slow it down? Looks like the kind of footage you'd erase over and forget.

I was initially pretty impressed with this video and honestly a little creeped out. But after someone pointed out that its appearance coincides with the flash light passing on the chair I noticed that even when the child has "disappeared", there is still a feint outline of a shape that can be seen in the final frames. It's possible the person who shot the video shaped chicken wire into the vague shape of a child and shown light over it as he recorded it. This is an old technique that creates some really creepy and lifelike apparitions.