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Shadow Person, Poked, and Bed Moved

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5:02 pm
September 29, 2008


Robbin

Investigator in Training

posts 12

Ok since I have already posted a few stories I am going to post the rest of my experiences. I have never shared these with anyone.

Shadow Person – I was 18 and staying over my friends house. No there were no substances or alcohol to cloud this experience. The room of course was in the basement, don't all 18 year olds have rooms in the basement.

It seemed normal nothing spooky or wierd, I had been there many times before. That is until, something woke me up, as I looked into the corner of the room a person sized black mass was standing there. It was absolute black and you could not see the wall behind it and it was shaped like a person and I got the feeling it was a man.

I thought well you are really just goofy you are not seeing this and then it began to move toward me, it was soundless and just floated slowly toward me. When it was finally at the side of the bed, right next to my right shoulder and head, I did what every 5 year old does, and closed me eyes and prayed for it to go away. I was looking at this thing the whole time prior to closing my eyes and by the way it looked down at me just before I slammed my eyes shut.

When I got the courage to open my eyes again it was gone. The room was not pitch dark and I could see the rest of the room plainly. It was very wierd, but did not seem menacing. I got up and looked around the room and went upstairs to see if my friends mom was up as she was the only other person in the house and she was sleeping soundly.

The arm poke – in early March of this year, while I was lying in bed thinking about the day, I got poked in the left arm bicep. Now I know that there are times when your muscles will spasm and cause a sensation like being touched or poked, this was different. It felt like someone took a finger and poked my skin.

Incidently I was thinking about a staff member of mine that had passed away unexpectedly the week before, on February 27, 2008. She was a real sweetheart who I enjoyed working with greatly and I was in a very emotional state at the time of the poke. I am not saying that she poked me I am just saying that I got poked.

This one I need help with. This happened a couple of weeks ago and I need theories on this one because I am not sure what actually happened. I was lying in bed on my left side, facing the outside of the bed. I have had those moments when you move wierd and the bed shakes sideways.

Yep you really cause that, it is not the thing in Linda Blair's attic making your bed shake. The odd thing about that slight sideways shake is you don't have to move much to cause it to happen. It is a slight gesture which causes some people to think the bed is moving on its own.

Ok so this night, I am just starting to nod off, and I hear and feel the mattress in the area of my chest, lift up and fall back. Now it didn't like lift up a foot or something but it was enough to jar me. When I asked my sweetie if he felt it too he said no he didn't, I had woken him up. This is a king size pillow top seriously freaking heavy mattress.

Could this have been caused by sleep paralysis? I have had that before when you swear someone is trying to strangle you and wake up gasping for breath. I know that is sleep paralysis. Could this jarring thing been a part of that? But what made the noise because I heard the noise of the mattress? I am open to theories…..

9:27 pm
September 29, 2008


Stephen

San Jose, CA

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posts 589

Hi, Robbin! Thanks very much for sharing these experiences with us.

Let me put my skeptic hat on and see what I can think of for your experiences. Hmm… it's interesting that all of these happened while you were lying in bed. It sounds like you might be prone to hypnagogic hallucinations– dreamlike visions and perceptions that can get overlaid onto your normal perception as you're falling asleep or waking up. Don't let the word "hallucination" scare you. This happens to perfectly normal people. (OK, technically if they happen when you're waking up they're hypnopompic hallucinations. Whatever.) They're sometimes accompanied by sleep paralysis, but not always.

The falling mattress sounds a bit like a hypnic jerk. I get those all the time. I'm starting to fall asleep, then I feel like I'm falling, then I jerk my body. (My wife's a sound sleeper, but she's noticed me doing this.)

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

2:21 am
September 30, 2008


bullerspoke

Sweden

Investigator

posts 101

I don't want to be nitpicky, but sleep paralysis is when your body during sleep is paralysed so that the brain can run free without the body, to put it simply. So when there is movement it most likely hypnic jerks (like Stephen pointed out). It is no question that many of your experiences is similar to hypnagogia, do read the article Stephen links to.

I personally experience many hypnagogic sensations myself, and have done for a long time, some regular (EHS and audio hallucinations) and some irregular. I have never really considered anything of it paranormal, just the brain running free and processing the stimuli and information it has been subject to during the day. It is only recently I realised that many of the experiences I myself has had is basis for paranormal claims. I have never connected the two, until I read hypnagogia was put forth as a debunking tool. But after researching and putting my experiences in context, I now am convinced that many experiences, and claims of psychic abilities, have the their basis in different hypnagogic (or hypnopompic) sensations. Which are natural processes and phenomenas recognized by science, shared by many and duly studied. They are strange and unsettling at times, yes, but it is only your brain, not any paranormal influences at work.

I would go so far as to say that even if ghosts or any other supernatural phenomena exists, any experiences had around the time when falling to sleep is not paranormal. I can't say never since we know little or nothing of the existence of ghosts and other supernatural forces or how they behave or manifest to rule them out, but the evidence behind the thesis of hypnagogia being the culprit behind paranormal claims in and around sleep is almost insurmountable.

I can understand how people interpret these experiences as paranormal, I could do so myself if I was a believer or prone to believe. But since I am a skeptic and never really interpreted them in that context from the beginning, but as something natural, I never did. Actually I was a bit disappointed when I realised how many that interpret hypnagogic sensations as paranormal phenomena and I became more skeptic than ever when it comes to claims of experiences and abilites. All these misinterpretations put forth as experiences really clouds the issue and does not help anyone to any answers.

When in doubt… figure it out!

4:57 pm
September 30, 2008


Robbin

Investigator in Training

posts 12

Stephen – thank you so much for the link to the information. I think the mattress incident falls right in line with what I read. I too have had the hypnic jerk where you think you are falling and jerk awake.

I am not sure it covers it all, especially the dark figure however, I am open to the idea of something 'normal' being the cause. This site is always open to lending assistance and being fair with folks, that is why I put this put there.

Bullerspoke – you seem very willing to put aside all paranormal claims that may happen to have hypnagogic properties. I simply can't do that. To me just because there is a possible intersection doesn't prove it didn't really happen. That aside I really like your well thought comments and I thank you for your response.

You were both a big help to me.

10:45 am
October 1, 2008


bullerspoke

Sweden

Investigator

posts 101

Maybe I did sound a bit zealous in my recent post, but I do want to point out that I do entertain the paranormal as a possibility. Always. Yet I do also want paranormal claims or evidence to be as good as possible why must better our knowledge and methods when asserting what is or is not paranormal.

Parts of hypnagogic sensations might well be paranormal, but we have no evidence or basis for that and when people make that assumption solely because it fits their wants or belief (or career) it might give them comfort or empowerment but in the end it clouds the issue. That is my beef. Not the existence of the paranormal or the paranormal being an aspect of hypnagogia.

I have found that many claims have origins in hypnagogia and my assertion is that hypnagogia, as far as I can assess from what science says and my experiences, is not paranormal. But others might draw different conclusions, but then they have the burden of proof. And I am open to be proven wrong. That is what science is about.

And again, like many skeptics I do entertain the paranormal as a possibility, I just need better knowledge and evidence of it. That is why it is important to me to sharpen the tools which we study paranormal phenomena.

When in doubt… figure it out!

5:37 pm
October 6, 2008


Robbin

Investigator in Training

posts 12

Bullerspoke and Stephen,

Thank you both for your very candid thoughts about what possibly could have happened to me. I am still out on if it was hypnagognia or not.

Maybe, the black shape coming over to me was, although it happened for 10-15 seconds, which is why I lean to something else. But it could have been hypnagognia, so I can't claim it was paranormal 100%.

The poke, no that happened. I have had something similar happen to me a long, long time ago. Like I said about that when it happens you know it, you are not afraid. At least I was not.

The bed moving defintely could have been hypnagogic so I can not claim that to be a paranormal experience.

Love this site!

4:14 am
October 7, 2008


bullerspoke

Sweden

Investigator

posts 101

Robbin, what is important to me atleast (can't speak for Stephen) is not to debunk you experiences, but to assist you inte the analysis of them. Critical thinking and all that jazz…

In the end it is your experiences, and yours alone, and whilst there are proven methods to analyze them the conclusion is yours to make. What is important is that an analysis has taken place and that experiences are not taken for paranormal on face value.

As for the poke, the skin is the largest organ the body has and is subject to a million stimuli from the physical world: wind, cold, water dust, chemicals etc. And sometimes we have neurological misfires when the brain produces sensation on the skin when no stimuli was present. Phantom pains in amputated limbs is a common and known phenomena for example. In short, tactile sensations does not always equal presence of an external stimuli. That in itself does not explain you experience, and I'm no dermatologist, but it is possible that science has some answers to give you, if nothing else you expand your knowledge. As my signature says: when in doubt, figure it out. Or atleast try to.

With that said, I do not dispute your conclusion. It was your experience and I can't really assess it, I can only provide tools for understanding what happened. If you are certain of being poked and as certain as can be that it wasn't a phantom touch, then the hypothesis that it was paranormal is legit. The problem then becomes how to try that hypothesis, but that's a different story.

In the end, the important thing is that you are not scared or that your experiences trouble you but that you are intrigued by them. Curiosity is good , fear is not.

When in doubt… figure it out!

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