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Ok, here we go. I have had HUNDREDS of paranormal experiences. Grill me.

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8:29 pm
November 10, 2009


The Doctor

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Kira said:

 it revealed a direct hit ont he secret Russia-China alliance that did exist at that time unbeknownst to Americans until weeks later.


Not really - this was from April 2000

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_13_16/ai_61551787/

8:55 pm
November 10, 2009


Kira

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The Doctor said:

Kira said:

 it revealed a direct hit ont he secret Russia-China alliance that did exist at that time unbeknownst to Americans until weeks later.


Not really - this was from April 2000

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_13_16/ai_61551787/


 The Russia-China Friendship Treaty was not signed until the summer of 2001. And in 2009 we have this little tidbit that the dream forshadowed:

"Taliban Cover Article Envisions Taliban-Russia-China Alliance Against U.S"

http://www.memrijttm.org/content/en/report.htm?report=3704&param=APT

9:17 pm
November 10, 2009


ok

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Ok, I have finally registered. You will now know me by Nefri !   This is a test reply.

Kira

9:18 pm
November 10, 2009


The Doctor

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Kira said:

The Doctor said:

Kira said:

 it revealed a direct hit ont he secret Russia-China alliance that did exist at that time unbeknownst to Americans until weeks later.


Not really - this was from April 2000

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_13_16/ai_61551787/


 The Russia-China Friendship Treaty was not signed until the summer of 2001. And in 2009 we have this little tidbit that the dream forshadowed:

"Taliban Cover Article Envisions Taliban-Russia-China Alliance Against U.S"

http://www.memrijttm.org/content/en/report.htm?report=3704&param=APT


So we are adjusting the premonition from being a knowledge
of a secret alliance ( which was not a secret )
to being the announcement of a friendship treaty ? -

- or are we adjusting it to cover knowledge
not weeks in advance but many years
in advance of a possible alliance
including the Taliban who were
NOT implicated in the Cole incident ?

10:32 pm
November 10, 2009


ok

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The Doctor said:

Kira said:

The Doctor said:

Kira said:

 it revealed a direct hit ont he secret Russia-China alliance that did exist at that time unbeknownst to Americans until weeks later.


Not really - this was from April 2000

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_13_16/ai_61551787/


 The Russia-China Friendship Treaty was not signed until the summer of 2001. And in 2009 we have this little tidbit that the dream forshadowed:

"Taliban Cover Article Envisions Taliban-Russia-China Alliance Against U.S"

http://www.memrijttm.org/content/en/report.htm?report=3704&param=APT


So we are adjusting the premonition from being a knowledge
of a secret alliance ( which was not a secret )
to being the announcement of a friendship treaty ? -

- or are we adjusting it to cover knowledge
not weeks in advance but many years
in advance of a possible alliance
including the Taliban who were
NOT implicated in the Cole incident ?


Sigh.

This is from your article dated Arpil 2000. "The determination of Russian leaders to bolster Russia's military and to develop a strategic partnership with China is causing concern among Western foreign-policy experts."   This does not say that Russia and China have a secret alliance. It is an article by an author at the BBC who think he may have seen russia and china playing footsies under the table. Just because the article title has the word "alliance" in it does not mean there IS and allaince, in the same way that just because your handle on this forum contains the word "doctor" does not mean you necessarily have more than a 3rd grade education.

I am not adjusting anything.

And I didn't say that a terrorist connection was implicated in the Cole incident, I said it was implicated in my dream.

Now, I am not here to argue about my visions. Only to share them because of a conversation somewhere else on this site. I have already told you that the server that timestamped these vision posts has taken down the database. The fact that I actually dreamed them nine years ago is no longer provable. So lets just all get along, shall we?

10:51 pm
November 10, 2009


ok

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Learjet said:

Scenario 1, you see a plane crash, every feature in the vision is identical. Bingo.

Scenario 2, instead of the plane being red as in your vision it's blue, yet all the other features in the scene are the same.

Scenario 3, the colour and type of the plane are wrong yet other details are the same.

Scenario 4, the colour and type are wrong and it happened at another location.

Scenario 5, the only thing correct about it was a plane crash, everything else was different.

Etc etc with more and more errors.

At some point one begins not to trust the vision. At which point may differ from one person to another.

P.S. Skeptics wouldn't even trust Scenario 1. :)


Right, I understand. Yes, I agree. There are errors oftentimes, and this can be confusing. The assumption is that the most important features of the dream should be correct, but this is not always the case.

In the end, I have not found a good use for predictive dreams or premonitions. Even  if you DO know the future, there is nothing you can do about it except adjust your expectations. That is why I am not convinced that Nostradamus wrote his quatrains in order to tell people about the future, but maybe instead he was trying to show the right people, and only the right people, how to see it themselves.

11:00 pm
November 10, 2009


The Doctor

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Now, I am not here to argue about my visions. Only to share them because of a conversation somewhere else on this site. I have already told you that the server that timestamped these vision posts has taken down the database. The fact that I actually dreamed them nine years ago is no longer provable. So lets just all get along, shall we?


It dosen't really matter when you had it –
You claim this is a "direct hit" because of some
secret alliance that was only revealed weeks later.
This claim simply does not fit the facts as they are known.
There is no argument here.

This is a site filled with skeptical people and
you have requested to be "grilled".

11:20 pm
November 10, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

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Hi Kira/Nefri,

Thanks for your patience. I know that arguing with the likes of us can be quite irritating! :)

We were talking before about the psychological tests you've taken. I'm curious if you've ever taken a particular psychological test called the Wilson-Barber Inventory of Childhood Memories and Imagining (ICMI).

I'm curious because recently I've been hearing more and more about the fantasy-prone personality type. You've probably heard of it. I make no claims about the existence or validity of this personality type, or even of personality types in general, but there's an article about it by Dr. Steven Novella, a neurologist. Many of the things you've written about your background (the hypnotherapy, the possible hypnagogia, etc.) seem to me to fit the profile he quotes here.

Of course, whether or not the fantasy-prone personality matches you doesn't necessarily impact whether or not your paranormal claims are true. I've seen articles claiming very similar traits for the "psychic personality". I am, however,  curious to see if you think you match the profile listed in the article.

For reference, here are the traits listed in the article:

  1. being an excellent hypnotic subject
  2. having imaginary playmates as a child
  3. fantasizing frequently as a child
  4. adopting a fantasy identity
  5. experiencing imagined sensations as real
  6. having vivid sensory perceptions
  7. reliving past experiences
  8. claiming psychic powers
  9. having out-of-body or floating experiences
  10. receiving poems, messages, etc., from spirits, higher intelligences, and the like
  11. being involved in “healing,”
  12. encountering apparitions
  13. experiencing hypnagogic hallucinations (waking dreams)
  14. seeing classical hypnagogic imagery (such as spirits or monsters from outer space).

I'm not a psychologist, and I'm not trying to call you crazy. I have a few of the traits on this list myself (namely 3, 4, 5, and 14). I hope that this idea doesn't offend you, but I think I'd be remiss and disrespectful in not mentioning it.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

11:25 pm
November 10, 2009


ok

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The Doctor said:

Now, I am not here to argue about my visions. Only to share them because of a conversation somewhere else on this site. I have already told you that the server that timestamped these vision posts has taken down the database. The fact that I actually dreamed them nine years ago is no longer provable. So lets just all get along, shall we?


It dosen't really matter when you had it –
You claim this is a "direct hit" because of some
secret alliance that was only revealed weeks later.
This claim simply does not fit the facts as they are known.
There is no argument here.

This is a site filled with skeptical people and
you have requested to be "grilled".


Russia and China  signed the Chinese-Russian Friendship Treaty in July 2001 where they openly declared their joint strategic interests against the United States. Until then, this alliance was only guessed about, as the article you pointed to illustrates. 

11:49 pm
November 10, 2009


ok

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Stephen –

I am not at all offended. I do not believe I have ever taken that test, and would really love to. I think I know the kind of person this test might be talking about (just from a glance). My guess would be that maybe an extremely fantasy prone person would match the Enneagram Type 4 personality. I am the Enneagram Type 7 personality (7 with an 8 wing to be exact). I would characterize myself as certainly imaginative, but probably not so much fantasy prone.

  1. being an excellent hypnotic subject  — yes, I love to explore the mind, and can willingly become hypnotized by someone I trust, but a stage hypnotist could not do it, and I was rejected from his show.
  2. having imaginary playmates as a child — no imaginary playmates for me, but I did play with dolls.
  3. fantasizing frequently as a child — sure. I also wrote stories and drew nearly constantly.
  4. adopting a fantasy identity — never have done this.
  5. experiencing imagined sensations as real — not really sure what this means exactly
  6. having vivid sensory perceptions — yes. I actually have synesthesia, I see sounds.
  7. reliving past experiences — I can easily relive my past in my head.
  8. claiming psychic powers — I am an astrologer, but astrology does not require psychic powers. I am a palmist, but it also does not involve psychic powers. I have been studying the tarot for 5 years in order to eventually give readings, but these will be based on the symbols on the cards… I don't see any psychic powers for that either. I do, however hear and see "spirits", which may be a part of my own psyche, or maybe a collective psyche, or maybe something else. I don't know.
  9. having out-of-body or floating experiences — I have had many out of body experiences.
  10. receiving poems, messages, etc., from spirits, higher intelligences, and the like — yep
  11. being involved in “healing,” — no. This is one thing I don't involve myself in. I don't understand it, and am wary of those who claim to do it. Suprisingly, I also will not go to "psychics" as I think they are all just making stuff up.
  12. encountering apparitions — yes, infrequently, but it has happened a few times.
  13. experiencing hypnagogic hallucinations (waking dreams) — ya, so it seems
  14. seeing classical hypnagogic imagery (such as spirits or monsters from outer space). — glad I haven't seen any monsters.

I will look into that test and the article.

Here's a tidbit you might find interesting. When I was just learning astrology, I would visit these american gypsies who would help me with my studies. They were a fascinating older couple. They were constantly investigating these occult mysteries, looking into and experimenting with everything. They decided one day to try to contact an entity that could prove to them that it was an individual, in that it could tell them something they didn't know that also could be verified. For a month these two people sat in the dark with tape recorders reaching out to anything that would respond. After about 3 weeks, the old lady said her throat would "click" during thier sessions, and her mouth would move, and a voice that was not hers would come out and talk to her husband. The husband then would ask the Voice a series of questions to try to determine if this Voice was part of his wife's psyche or if it knew things she did not know. After several more weeks of contacting this entity, which called itself "Ort Mort", they came to the conclusion that the entity was part of the old woman's psyche.

Creepy.

These people were my mentors when I began looking into these things. I tend to think along the same lines… I am much more skeptical than I am accepting, even when it comes to my own experiences. Anyhow, i just thought you would enjoy that.

12:04 am
November 11, 2009


ok

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Oh, and just a little from the very first paragraph of the article:

"I lead a rich fantasy life. I love science fiction and fantasy books and movies (current favorite show: Battlestar Galactica – really, if you like SciFi and have not seen it, check it out). I have even written fantasy role-playing supplements. I have always been able to withdraw “inside my head” and just weave a compelling fantasy to pass the time…."

I must contrast that with my own habits:  I have read a few fiction books in my life (Dune, Columbia, DaVinci Code) but my bookshelves are PACKED with non-fiction, reference materials, anthropological studies, cultural studies. I am currently reading a book about Islam and how it's misunderstood by a harvard professor, and I just finished a book called Mayflower about the historical account of the first american settlers. I am also reading a book about amish customs. So just with this tiny comparison, I am not sure I fit exactly into thsi catagory. But I will take the test when I find it. Oh, and my absolutely favorite show is (drumroll please)… Judge Judy.

12:21 am
November 11, 2009


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Oh, and Stephen –

I am crazily creative, that is true. I majored in art in college with a minor in geography.  Here is a painting I made of a friend in college. http://yfrog.com/6xkylej

2:23 am
November 11, 2009


Learjet

Australia

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Cool an online test. I like these and since I'm half crazy, can I take it too?

  1. being an excellent hypnotic subject – Nope.
  2. having imaginary playmates as a child – nope.
  3. fantasizing frequently as a child – yeah sort of. Don't all children?
  4. adopting a fantasy identity – nope.
  5. experiencing imagined sensations as real – nope.
  6. having vivid sensory perceptions – not while I'm awake. While lucid dreaming, yep.
  7. reliving past experiences – nope.
  8. claiming psychic powers – nope.
  9. having out-of-body or floating experiences – not while I'm awake. During meditation and lucid dreaming yep.
  10. receiving poems, messages, etc., from spirits, higher intelligences, and the like – not while I'm awake. Yes in lucid dreaming.
  11. being involved in “healing,” – nope… unfortunately.
  12. encountering apparitions – Visual no. Audible I have had a couple of encounters.
  13. experiencing hypnagogic hallucinations (waking dreams) – In the hundreds.
  14.  seeing classical hypnagogic imagery (such as spirits or monsters from outer space). – Nope. I've often wondered about this and why I don't see spirits or monsters.

I do like SciFi on TV. At least I used to before they turned it into soap drama Lol… Not spirits or monsters, but I have seen one spacecraft during HH/HI that was unearthed in an archaeological dig. I didn't get a good look at the craft itself but I did see a plaque with alien writing. And lots of views of Earth from space. Of course it's just an hypnagogic hallucination.

The seperation of fantasy from reality, that's the key here. Isn't this also an issue with belief? Consider that most of the Earth's population are religious with a belief of some sort or other and that with 500+ religions they can't all be right. Then there's the conspiracy theorists. How many people don't believe men went to the Moon? So I propose that most people believe in a fantasy of some sort or other.

So Nefri, even if we only believe a small proportion of what we see we are no worse than most people LOL.

OD'd on EMF

7:11 am
November 11, 2009


Angelayo1970

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Kira said:

Even if you do not agree with Nostradamus's vision of the future, his quatrains are worthy of study if only because _The Centuries_ has been on the New York Times Best Seller list since 1558.


The New York Times has had a best seller list since 1558? Hmmm…I did not know that…Undecided

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei

9:11 am
November 11, 2009


The Doctor

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Nefri said:

Russia and China  signed the Chinese-Russian Friendship Treaty in July 2001 where they openly declared their joint strategic interests against the United States. Until then, this alliance was only guessed about, as the article you pointed to illustrates. 


So now we have stretched the interpretation of your premonition from being "unbeknownst to Americans until weeks later" to being unbeknownst to Americans until months later, and simply ignored the signed agreements …

July 17-19, 2000, Russian President Vladimir Putin paid a state visit to China. During the visit, President Jiang Zemin held two rounds of talks with the Russian president, one with limited aides and the other with full entourage, and NPC Standing Committee Chairman Li Peng, Premier Zhu Rongji and the chairman of the National Committee of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) Li Ruihuan met with the Russian president separately. The two heads of state signed together the Beijing Declaration of the People’s Republic of China and the Russian Federation, and the Joint Statement of the President of the People’s Republic of China and the President of the Russian Federation on the Issue of Anti Ballistic Missiles. Seven inter-government and inter-department agreements were also signed.

From the joint statement issued July 18,2000

"

In view of this, the US plan to build a national missile defense [NMD] system, which is prohibited by the "ABM Treaty," has made people deeply worried. China and Russia maintain that the essence of this plan is seeking unilateral military and security advantages. The implementation of this plan will have the most serious negative consequences not only on the national security of Russia, China, and other countries, but also on the security and international strategic stability of the United States itself. Therefore China and Russia firmly oppose this plan.

China and Russia express satisfaction about their cooperation in maintaining global strategic balance and stability so far. Based on the strategic partnership characterized by equality and trust, China and Russia will continue their close cooperation in the aforesaid issues and strengthen their cooperation in other related fields under the framework of each undertaking its international responsibilities, to safeguard their own as well as regional and global security."

10:21 am
November 11, 2009


ok

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Learjet said:

  1. experiencing hypnagogic hallucinations (waking dreams) – In the hundreds.
  2.  seeing classical hypnagogic imagery (such as spirits or monsters from outer space). – Nope. I've often wondered about this and why I don't see spirits or monsters


There are a few questions on this little "test" that don't make alot of sense to me, but in particular #13 and #14 — how can you have had hundreds of waking dreams, but not experienced HH imagery?

Also, I have had hundreds of these dreams. Never about monsters though. I am a little baffled that monsters would be a classical HH image.

4:24 pm
November 11, 2009


Learjet

Australia

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13 I have no problem with.

With 14 I read the word "classical" as classic which makes a little more sense but the "monsters from outer space" thing still threw me. Maybe they are mixing in so called alien abduction experiences.

BTW, this is classical HH imagery. Do any of these look familiar to you?

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/pd49/pockets/weird/entoptic/entop/entoptic.htm

OD'd on EMF

4:53 pm
November 11, 2009


Bobarino

Valencia, CA

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Learjet said:

I do like SciFi on TV. At least I used to before they turned it into soap drama Lol… 


SGU, perhaps?   I am feeling the same way  Undecided

I've found that being AWESOME is a full time job…

10:55 pm
November 11, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

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It's not really meant to be an on-line test– it's the description of a personality profile. Some of it does seem worded ambiguously: "reliving past experiences," for example. I do it daily, it's called memory, but I'm sure that's not what they mean. Probably the Inventory of Childhood Memories and Imagining is better worded, but I don't have access to that.

Kira/Nefri– thanks for your responses. I like the portrait!

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

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