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12:45 pm November 24, 2008
| spooked
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it was jan. 2000 and i was lying in the bed just, for whatever mood, started focusing on my large plant on the top of the fridge when suddenly it started moving by itself for several seconds. both doors were closed and both windows were closed. there wasn't enough wind inside the small studio apartment to cause such a stir. is this debunkable?
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1:13 pm November 24, 2008
| Logisti
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Please post personal experiences in the "Possibly Paranormal" forum. This post has been moved on your behalf.
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2:17 pm November 24, 2008
| Haephiteus
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My first thoughts are, are you ground level or higher up. Are you near a freeway, or an airport? I spend most of my time upstairs and have seen things shake rattle and roll. And 99% of the time I 'm sure one of these three have played a role in it. However the other 1%, I'm not quite sure……..
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3:02 pm November 24, 2008
| RandomParadoX
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Check the back of your fridge. There might be a fan that keeps the electronics cool. It could flip on blowing air that ends up flowing to plant.
Could also be that the earth/ground shifted a tiny bit to cause the leaves to move.
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"Like, hey Scoob… did you hear that?"
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3:17 pm November 24, 2008
| Queen of the Nerds
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Maybe you were not really awake and you were dreaming?
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If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hands.
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3:20 pm November 24, 2008
| Queen of the Nerds
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BTW…. what does a remote control have to do with it? Do you think that someone has hooked up a device to your plant so they can move the leaves with a remote?
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If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hands.
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4:41 am November 25, 2008
| bullerspoke
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Psychokinesis, it's been awhile since I heard anyone claim or talk about that. However in this case, there is one big problem: we only have on account of the event and this from a source that implicitly claim to have caused the event. In short, we and the poster can not know if the plant actually moved or if it was overactive imagination, wishful thinking or misreading of visual stimuli. Our eyes are programmed to catch movement (useful against predators) and our brain is biased to read pattern into everything. Not to mention confirmation bias. Therefor, if say a truck, or neighbours doing a rain dance or the compressor in fridge made the plant move, which is obtainable with little force depending on the plant, and this happened while you were looking at the plant (intentionally or unintentionally) you would most likely interpret this chance as correlation and then as causality. The fact that the plant moved while you looked at it confirmes your belief (on a conscious or unconcsious level) that it was you that made it move.
You ask, why did it move when i focused on it? I would ask, why did you look at it when it moved? You see causality, I see chance. It is impossible to know which variable was the causal factor in this case, especially since we don't know all the variables or what really happened. However, if you want to explore it further and really know what happened, you should set up an experiment where you try to recreate the same phenomena in controlled setting.
To put it at plainly as possible, if I look at my phone, waiting and wanting it to ring or not, and the phone rings, was it me who made it ring? No, someone else rang at the same time I was looking at the phone. It seems a incredible coincidence, but is really nothing but chance. Expecially since I really don't know how many times I have looked at the phone, waiting and wanting it to ring or not, and it didn't.
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10:01 am November 29, 2008
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Haephiteus said:
My first thoughts are, are you ground level or higher up. Are you near a freeway, or an airport? I spend most of my time upstairs and have seen things shake rattle and roll. And 99% of the time I 'm sure one of these three have played a role in it. i was at ground level. and the airport is at the other end of albany, georgia. so i know it wasn't the airport.
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10:04 am November 29, 2008
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i was at ground level. and i was living in a boarding house in downtown albany, georgia. on tift st. if you want to check it out. close to tift and jefferson. the airport is outside of albany.
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10:07 am November 29, 2008
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RandomParadoX said:
Check the back of your fridge. There might be a fan that keeps the electronics cool. It could flip on blowing air that ends up flowing to plant.
Could also be that the earth/ground shifted a tiny bit to cause the leaves to mo
it only happened once. so i don't think it was from an outside source. if it was it would have happened more than once. right.
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10:09 am November 29, 2008
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it happened only once so if it had been an outside source it would have happened more than once. right?
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10:13 am November 29, 2008
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Queen of the Nerds said:
Maybe you were not really awake and you were dreaming?
i was fully awake.
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8:16 pm November 29, 2008
| Wallydraigle
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If you were concentrating on the plant, you were probably staring at it, which means that you were also breathing at it. After a period of time spent steadily breathing in the same direction, it's possible to create enough air movement to inadvertantly move light objects like plant leaves of spider webs.
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6:54 pm January 7, 2009
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He said "at it" – IOW "in its direction."
His point being "if you face in the same direction for a time, it's not hard to set up a small air current which can cause light things (like plant leaves) to move.
I'd add this: Plants grow. It's possible that the plant had grown and created some stress – like a leaf caught on another) that released coincidentally to your looking at it. Any number of other explanations for this, with the least likely being psychokinesis…
DD
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11:59 am January 10, 2009
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I've deleted the trolling posts from SPOOKED. If SPOOKED would like to continue posting on this board, then SPOOKED should stop trolling.
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11:05 am January 15, 2009
| spooked
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Logisti said:
I've deleted the trolling posts from SPOOKED. If SPOOKED would like to continue posting on this board, then SPOOKED should stop trolling.
ok, i will stop trolling. i promise. spooked
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11:56 am January 15, 2009
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spooked said:
ok, i will stop trolling. i promise. spooked
Thank you. You are very welcome here but please don't be rude to people who are giving serious thought to your questions and offering you their honest opinions.
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9:40 am January 16, 2009
| spooked
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Logisti said:
spooked said:
ok, i will stop trolling. i promise. spooked
Thank you. You are very welcome here but please don't be rude to people who are giving serious thought to your questions and offering you their honest opinions.
but couldn't those serious thoughts be more sincere or am i on the wrong website for sincerity?how about using the imagination w/ their honest opinions? is that possible. i've been through a number of websites that i dropped because people were annoying and using too much shorthand cursing. spooked
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2:09 pm January 16, 2009
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spooked said:
Logisti said:
spooked said:
ok, i will stop trolling. i promise. spooked
Thank you. You are very welcome here but please don't be rude to people who are giving serious thought to your questions and offering you their honest opinions.
but couldn't those serious thoughts be more sincere or am i on the wrong website for sincerity?how about using the imagination w/ their honest opinions? is that possible. i've been through a number of websites that i dropped because people were annoying and using too much shorthand cursing. spooked
I don't know how you define the term "sincere" – but gtom my reading the responses you've gotten have BEEN both sincere and respectful.
Nobody here is going to say "OMG! GHosts!!" — it's just not going to happen.
If you're determined that what you think you experienced was paranormal, you're not likely to find validation here. If you're looking for alternative explanations, there's no better place.
HTH…
DD
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