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10:52 am
October 8, 2008


Logisti

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At home alone one day, when I was in my early twenties, I'd just finished doing something — watching TV or reading a book most likely, I don't remember which — when I decided to take a shower and go out. The house was dead silent but as I walked towards the shower I was stopped in my tracks by a soft, but pervasive sound: murmuring.

The best way I can describe it is for anyone who have watched the television show LOST: the sound that comes just before the black cloud appears, or one of the shapeshifters that seem to be a familiar character (like Jack's father and Echo's brother) but are not. It's a sound like many voices whispering, but no words can be made out.

Also, the sound seemed omnidirectional. Turning my head and walking in various directions didn't seem to change the characteristics of it much, if at all and were unhelpful in trying to determine where it might be coming from.

I had this happen to me once additional time since, on a train, but it was much more brief. I've also seen other people discuss having very similar experiences, most recently SV reader Pati when she visited Northern State Hospital.

Now, this may not be paranormal. There may be something about the brain that would explain this common experience — much the way the smell of "rotten eggs" or sulfur-dioxide can sometimes precede a seizure, maybe there is some answer in brain-design that might explain this common experience shared by unrelated people in diverse circumstances, which appears to have no external source.

Still, if it's not something external (like ghosts) then I'd like to find out what it is. Are people who hear such sounds (from their head) prone to pschizophrenia? Or is it something tied into dreaming, and like sleep-paralysis perhaps just a brief malfunction that isn't uncommon and isn't anything to worry about either?

Most interestingly, this type of sound isn't uncommon in film and television. I mentioned LOST but I know similar sounds have been used in many movies that deal with the supernatural. Why do we identify with this sound, why is it so universally understood as something spooky? Certainly that alone is suggestive that there is some universality to the way the sound is interpreted by our brains.

6:07 am
October 9, 2008


Paul Anthony

Boston

Investigator

posts 45

Logisti, I Subscribe to Skeptoid, I remembered reading this article. It may or may not explain what you experienced. They also have recorded sounds you can listen to.

Can You Hear the Hum?

Skeptoid #90
March 04, 2008
Podcast transcript

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4090

Human perception of pulses of RF radiation is a well-established phenomenon that is not an adverse effect. RF-induced sounds are similar to other common sounds such as a click, buzz, hiss, knock or chirp. Furthermore, the phenomenon can be characterized as the perception of subtle sounds because, in general, a quiet environment is required for the sounds to be heard. To hear the sounds, individuals must be capable of hearing high frequency acoustic waves in the kHz range and the exposure to pulsed RF fields must be in the MHz range. The experimental weight-of-evidence does not support direct stimulation of the central nervous system by RF pulses.

9:45 pm
October 12, 2008


Robbin

Investigator in Training

posts 12

Logisti, 

I am not sure what you are experiencing.  I did read the article at the link provided by Paul Anthony and I don't think the hum is what you have experienced. 

I can't be sure but I think that there may be something to the brain trying to understand what it is hearing.  Something akin to matrixing.  However, you could really be experiencing something paranormal.  Only you can know that for sure.

You pose a good observation, why do we experience these things as spooky?  I say it is because they are out of the norm of your day.  I mean if you are driving along and something dashes out in front of your car, it startles you.  This also is not a pleasant experience, unless you like having the crap scared out of you.  So you attach a negative impression to the experience.

The same with going to take a shower and hearing murmuring all around you. Our collective experience tells us this is not normal and fear or spooky is attached to it.  I think that is a very normal reaction given the plethora of  anything that is paranormal is bad dialogue out there.

While I too have on occasion heard low voices that I could not make out, I just assumed it was someones tv or them talking.  It is amazing how sound carries.  See my post about this under not paranormal.

As a side note….I bought a condo and moved in last February.  While home during the day, I started to hear someone talking.  I figured I was tired and hearing a TV or something. But I did notice I could only hear the voice in the master bedroom that is against outside walls only.

The second day that I was home, I was in the master and again heard the voice and I thought I was cracking up!  I went to the window and noticed I could really hear this voice, so I opened the window and quickly realized it was the train conductor announcing the train station, for the train station that is  right  near me.  The twin towers a I call them sit up over the roadway so the speakers are up high and the sound carries.  It was pretty funny.

8:19 am
November 18, 2008


jack

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I'd never heard of this hum thing–but it makes sense.

When I attempted to enlist in the early 90s, I discovered that I have very interesting hearing. During the physical, they do an elaborate hearing test. I didn't know this–and, because of what they did, I got worried.

They did the test on everyone and sent them on to the next stop in the physical, but they kept me back and had me keep doing the test–I think they kept me in the 'tank' for a good half hour–I was afraid that there was something wrong with my hearing.

When they were done they explained that they'd taken the sound up and down, beyond the normal range because I appear to have hearing that extended a bit outside that range–something they'd seen before, but that was unusual.

And they explained a lot of things–including that I didn't have tinnitus. That the constant noise I hear is actually there, that it's high and low frequency sounds that are a simple by-product of modern liife.

Perhaps thats the source of the 'hum'–people with a slighly bigger hearing range.

10:20 am
April 11, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

I've been going over some older posts here and just came across Logisti's experience.

This is a rare, but very real, experience for me.  The humming theory as outlined above does not explain it as they are definite voices.  Also, there may be something else going on at the time, like the TV, dishwasher etc.  But they also occur in complete silence.

My explanation, at least the one I tell myself, is this:

I've noticed that this occurs when I'm undergoing periods of intense stress.  The voices will be mumbling and be both male and female.  Never can make out any words.  It sounds more like a newscast then a conversation.

My theory is that, because of the great amount of stress, the brain chemicals start to misbehave.  The one that would be most responsible for this is, IMO, dopamine.  Somehow dopamine is causing stimulation of the auditory region of the brain, which then projects the impulses outward and are interpreted as voices.

Unlike true schizophrenia, they are not clear voices and no words can be made out.  I have never heard these voices except during times when things were really mixed up in my life and I was under intense pressure.

The humming theory above sounds great but simply does not explain this.  I just accept that the brain is a marvelous organ that can and does sometimes malfunction.  That what makes it so wonderful and intriguing.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

1:00 pm
April 11, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

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posts 589

I vaguely remember from Penfield's original brain-stimulation research that he could get subjects to report the sound of a room full of voices by stimulating part of the brain. I suspect it was in the temporal lobes, but don't recall.

On the other hand, once while walking near my office I heard a flock of ravens perched in a tree chattering back and forth. I'd read Logisti's post recently, and was struck by the similarity to the whispering noises he described. No clincher detail to prove it, though.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

1:30 pm
April 11, 2009


blinddog

Special Agent Zombie Elimination Agency

Moderator

posts 857

I can't hear sh*t, except for Mr. Hankey.

Sorry, Saturday is experimental meds day.

Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.

4:24 pm
April 11, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

I believe they are simply hypnagogic auditory sounds, much like hypnagogic visual images.

I used to get both of these a lot, especially when I was tired and trying to go to sleep. In my case the voices sound like a room full of people all talking at once. Sometimes it's possible to make out a word or two otherwise it's just babble. I believe this is just "noise" from the brain. Nothing paranormal.

Since I've been on beta blockers for migraines, both the voices and images have all but disappeared. Unfortunately the pills have also killed much of my deep thought and inspiration, but the migraines were severe and had to be stopped.

OD'd on EMF

10:10 pm
April 13, 2009


Hannah

Texas

Lead Investigator

posts 361

Learjet said:

I believe they are simply hypnagogic auditory sounds, much like hypnagogic visual images.

I used to get both of these a lot, especially when I was tired and trying to go to sleep. In my case the voices sound like a room full of people all talking at once. Sometimes it's possible to make out a word or two otherwise it's just babble. I believe this is just "noise" from the brain. Nothing paranormal.

Since I've been on beta blockers for migraines, both the voices and images have all but disappeared. Unfortunately the pills have also killed much of my deep thought and inspiration, but the migraines were severe and had to be stopped.


Sounds familiar, as I used to hear what sounded like a distant radio broadcast at night when I went to bed.  My husband didn't hear it, but then he went to a lot of concerts while in college.  Smile

It did sound like more than one person talking and no matter how I concentrated could never make out what was being said.  Sometimes it was accompanied by what looked like a black mass that clung to the wall near the ceiling, but moved slowly.  I just put it ( and had heard nothing about black masses at that time, though it did make me feel uncomfortable) down to the fact that I am near-sighted & had removed my contacts.  I have not had the experience for years, even though I live in the same house.

Glad the beta-blockers are helping the migranes.

9:39 am
April 14, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

Learjet said:

I believe they are simply hypnagogic auditory sounds, much like hypnagogic visual images.

I used to get both of these a lot, especially when I was tired and trying to go to sleep. In my case the voices sound like a room full of people all talking at once. Sometimes it's possible to make out a word or two otherwise it's just babble. I believe this is just "noise" from the brain. Nothing paranormal.

Since I've been on beta blockers for migraines, both the voices and images have all but disappeared. Unfortunately the pills have also killed much of my deep thought and inspiration, but the migraines were severe and had to be stopped.


Just as an aside, some very creative people have been migraine sufferers.  I know that Chopin was one, as well as Thomas Jefferson, Julius Caesar,Nietzsche, and many, many others too numerous to mention.

Interestingly, Lewis Carroll was also a migraine sufferer, which some believe account for his wonderful imagination and imagery associated with Alice and her Wonderland adventures. 

As a migaineur since the age of 13, I can attest to the weird sensations both pre, during and after an attack.  Some believe that migraine and epilepsy are related, with both being a different manifestation of a particular mutated gene.  I've often wondered if the condition does make us more creative as it affects our perceived sensations of the world.

I'm guessing you are on Inderal or some similar medication.  I was for many years until I developed Raynaud's Syndrome, with terrible tingling and numbness of my arms.  It was also almost impossible to raise my heart rate during exercise, which was frustrating. 

I've also read that people who suffer from bi-polar disorder say that their creativity is stunted by medication.  Who knows?  There may be a link between certain conditions and the seeing and hearing of what some may perceive as a paranormal event. 

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

1:11 pm
April 14, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Atenolol is the stuff I'm on for migraines. It also helps to lower my BP that the other medication I'm on for an autoimmune bowel disorder tends to raise. I'm a real picture of health even though I'm vegetarian and don't drink or smoke. I suppose if I did I'd be the star on Ghost Hunters jumping up and down on their K2 meter trying to break it. Tongue out

OD'd on EMF

6:13 am
October 8, 2009


Lee

Guest

I wanted to reply to your post for the simple reason that i experiences the same thing last night.  I had gone to bed and was woke up by what at first i thought was a television up stairs. But my mom had gone to bed and was silent. Then i realized it sounded like lots of people talking in a tunnel that i couldnt make out. It was a very disturbing experience. I have lived here foe over ten years and never heard or saw anything. Numerous other people have though.

6:37 am
October 9, 2009


Drache Frau

Investigator

posts 74

I'm not sure what caused what you heard, but I'd like to comment on how it's automatically 'creepy'. Many people have nightmares about being chased by a monster that they cannot see. Also, many horror movies and books use the same sort of thing. You don't actually see the monster or the villain entirely. Not seeing (or hearing) something is much scarier because your own imagination is usually much worse than reality. I don't know about you, but I've dreamed up some images that I don't like to recall even in the middle of the day. You hear voices, but you can't hear where they're coming from or what they're saying. The unknown is much more terrifying than the known.

          I've also read that people who suffer from bi-polar disorder say that their creativity is stunted by  medication.

I have had bi-polar friends (one had some severe issues) and I've also had two friends who had schizophrenia and when they were properly medicated they were much less dramatic (of course) and much more mellow. They didn't write or draw as much as when they were having trouble. My theory, as a fellow writer and sketcher, is that they don't need to as much. Writing and drawing are escapes for me. If I'm having a hard time, I do something that lets me get away, but I choose where I go. If I'm unable to write or draw for an extended period of time I feel like I'm going to go insane because of all the stuff that is built up in my head. I have to put it down on paper to get it out, or at least just focus my mind on it for a while. My friends are not less talented. Their work isn't so dark, depressing or desperate. It's more liberating.

Ghost, n. The outward and visible sign of an inward fear.

12:37 am
January 2, 2010


emma

Guest

dammit.  i wrote a post and then it told me that my math was incorrect!  surely, at age 33, i know how to do simple math?  i mean, i rock at calculus; why can't i add 10+5?

anyhow, what i wrote was that i find this thread interesting from a medical standpoint.  i have a heart condition which can result in sudden cardiac arrest due to ventricular fibrillation, and in the last 5 or 6 years i have had several episodes of collapse caused by my heart going haywire and my brain failing to receive enough blood and oxygen. the episodes last several minutes, during which i am usually having what looks like a "seizure" (though I am completely out and have no clue what's going on) and each time, as i recover, i hear these sounds: a rushing, chattering, babbling cacophony of unintelligible voices as if in a tunnel.  i have always chalked it up to the re-establishment of proper brain function: neurons firing, neurotransmitters being released, blood pressure being equalized, etc.  the sounds are so "loud" that they prohibit me from being able to hear anything else (such as the people panicking around me), but they are very clearly originating inside my own head. 

so, besides the obvious mental illnesses, such as psychosis (which can sometimes be limited and short-term), schizophrenia, bipolar, etc., i believe it is possible that this phenomenon could sometimes originate as a result of oxygen or blood-pressure problems.  is anyone experiencing any other physical discomforts like fatigue, dizziness, etc? it seems like most of us on this thread are actually skeptics, and aren't willing to immediately dismiss it as paranormal, so it might be important to get a medical opinion, even if it is scary to march into your doctor's office and say, "hey, i'm hearing voices!"

anyhow, i am also on betablockers for my heart condition, so i feal ya, learjet.  metoprolol has sapped my heathy creativity, and left exhaustion and depression in its wake.  here's hoping we can find a happy middle ground between our illnesses and our emotional needs.

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