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1:11 pm
February 1, 2011


Skooter

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This isn't so much a paranormal thing, at least I think not but who knows, you all can be the judge.

Sept 07 was supposed to be a great year for me. I had just started my last year in college and was ready for an amazing senior year. Unfortunatly, it would be the worst event in my families lives. In the middle of Sept 07, we got a call my cousin in Missouri had been a really bad accident. We didn't know the details, just that it was bad. Several hours later, she passed away at the age of only 19, all thanks to the moronic driving of her fiance. Driving like a complete moron destroyed my family. She was the only fatality in the 3 car crash.

About 6 months later, I was lying in bed trying to go to sleep when I felt like something overwhelming was in my head. I didn't see anything, or actually hear anything, but it was a crazy experience that I felt like she was trying to talk to me. Now, I am not a huge believer in Heaven and Hell and God and such so I didn't jump to conclusions, I just felt an overwhelming sadness on a random night.

Fast forward to about 5-6 months ago, I felt it again, but a happier and much clearer event. Again, I was awake but I really felt like I was talking to my cousin. She had told me three things and why two of them almost confirm that I wasn't just crazy.

1. To get married in a Church so she could be there. I had always been against it with my GF, because I honestly lost all faith in it.

2. To draw a picture for my Aunt, the image I am supposed to draw is stamped in my head. I haven't felt right enough to draw it yet but I will eventually.

3. The numbers 6-9. And how that it proves she was really there and its a VERY obvious symbol, I felt that the level of it being a very big symbol was stressed. At first I kind of laughed because of the number combination but I could not figure out what it meant.

Now, why two are significant.

1. Two weeks earlier, my gf had a dream telling her that everything will be resolved shortly as far as me wanting to get married in a church or not and that something would turn my decision the other way. She never told me about the dream until I told her what happened.

3. My Aunt and Uncle are very religious. One day, on a walk, a couple weeks after her passing. My aunt asked for a sign that my cousin was up there, somewhere. As they were walking along, a yellow butterfly began flying around them for the remainder of their walk. Both my Aunt and Uncle had never seen one of that color in Missouri before. My Aunt even got it tattooed on her wrist and they strongly believe in that sign, and get to smile when they see them around. It took my mom to resolve the 6-9 mystery. "Y-e-l-l-o-w" 6 "B-u-t-t-e-r-f-l-y" 9.

I apologize if this comes off as spiritual, it was not my intent, but the afterlife is the afterlife in my eyes. And just because there was no sound, no video, and no pictures, doesn't make it any different I don't think.

In 3……2……1……!!!!

4:50 pm
February 1, 2011


Awaba

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Post edited 4:52 pm – February 1, 2011 by Awaba


SkooterMcGaven said:

2. To draw a picture for my Aunt, the image I am supposed to draw is stamped in my head. I haven't felt right enough to draw it yet but I will eventually.

3. The numbers 6-9. And how that it proves she was really there and its a VERY obvious symbol, I felt that the level of it being a very big symbol was stressed. At first I kind of laughed because of the number combination but I could not figure out what it meant.

Now, why two are significant.

3. My Aunt and Uncle are very religious. One day, on a walk, a couple weeks after her passing. My aunt asked for a sign that my cousin was up there, somewhere. As they were walking along, a yellow butterfly began flying around them for the remainder of their walk. Both my Aunt and Uncle had never seen one of that color in Missouri before. My Aunt even got it tattooed on her wrist and they strongly believe in that sign, and get to smile when they see them around. It took my mom to resolve the 6-9 mystery. "Y-e-l-l-o-w" 6 "B-u-t-t-e-r-f-l-y" 9.


 

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6 & 9……  if she could project an image you need to draw, why not just project an image of a yellow butterfly?  IIt sounds like grasping at straws to make sense of a dream to me.

6:22 pm
February 1, 2011


Nosfer

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Given what I've learned about dreams in the many years I've been paying attention to them, the first one could be internal to yourself.  You and your girlfriend arguing about getting married in or not in a church.  This is probably a big thing between you two and thus your dream could be your mind working on the issue and manifesting itself into your dreams.  Quite common.

"And just because there was no sound, no video, and no pictures, doesn't make it any different I don't think."  I'm a little unclear what you mean here…no sound, video, or pictures…how were the above conveyed to you, like the image that you are to draw?

6 and 9 referring to the number of letters may be a bit of a stretch although those particular words would make more sense than some of the other combinations of 6- and 9-letter words.  It is odd, as mentioned above, that one would be an actual image (to be shown to the same person whom the cryptic "letters" code refers to) and the other as vague as two numbers. Two birds/One stone would apply if the image to be shown were that of a yellow butterfly.  However, some dream elements can be quite straightforward whereas others can be rather cryptic to decipher their meaning. I don't necessarily mean "divination" when I refer to meaning but rather I refer simply to "what prompts the dream" or "why you dreamed what you did".

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3:08 am
February 2, 2011


Stephen

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Hi Skooter,

Thanks for your story. Losing someone like that is of course very painful, and I hope that your experience brought you some peace.

From a skeptical perspective, experiences that happen when one is falling asleep are usually hypnogagia. The brain isn't quite asleep, and isn't quite awake, and so strange feelings (and even hallucinations) can happen quite easily.

I think Nosfer summed things up very well. Your girlfriend hadn't told you about her dream, but certainly both of you knew that this was something you were facing. The numbers '6' and '9' have many possible meanings. If the predictive meaning of a message can only be figured out after the fact, then was the prediction really there within the message? Or was it just ambiguous enough that you could read things into it afterwards?

This experience apparently holds great meaning for you, and I wouldn't want to try to take it from you. Best of luck.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

10:17 am
February 2, 2011


Skooter

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I appreciate all the responses. I do want to make it clear that I was NOT dreaming as I was pretty wide awake. Both instances did occur while I was in bed but I wouldn't say I was out of it. Maybe I managed to convince myself it was her but to me it was some sort of sign, whether it be of my own creating in my head or not it was something I've only expierenced twice in my life. I know 6-9 can have a lot of different meanings but the fact that it fit the symbol my family uses to symbolize her was just odd. I am not one to give up my beliefs either but it was enough for me to completely change sides on the situation in a single night. Either way, it was a great experience for me. I am glad I could share the story and get a true opinion other then, "it was a sign from God".

In 3……2……1……!!!!

11:58 am
February 7, 2011


Buffy

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posts 93

Sharing with Stephen's sentiments Skooter, losing someone is difficult and sometimes we get reminded of them at the oddest moments.  My mom will tell me often that an expression that I say or a face that I make reminds her of my aunt that passed away years ago.   

I agree with Nosfer that the church wedding sounded like it was probably on both of your minds very heavily, but because religion was important to your cousin, you associated it with her because deep down inside, you probably knew that she would want you to get married in a church.  The fact that your aunt and uncle saw the butterfly and it stayed with them could mean that the butterfly was attracted to something, whether a scent or a color, that made it follow them throughout the walk, but as a yellow butterfly being symbolic of your cousin, associated it with a sign from her because your aunt asked for one. I wonder if they would have thought of her even if it was a monarch butterfly that behaved the same way because of the fact that it was a simply butterfly.

You came to this site looking for some other earthly
explanation for yours and your family members experiences, and I believe that in your examples, the brain associated the experience with a memory of your cousin. Skooter, I truly understand what you mean when you say "get a true opinion other then, "it was a sign from God"" because my mother's advice for any problem is always "pray about it" and sometimes, that advice isn't enough for me and leaves me frustrated and looking for more substantial advice.

Remembrances of loved ones passed often are triggered by a scent, an image, or an object and boom, we are
taken to a memory.  For example, if I smell anything remotely close to the
"big bubble" bubble gum, I think of my aunt because she used to have a
ton of it in her house. I don't believe it to be a sign from God or my aunt, more so as reminder of someone I loved.  As a believer in God and an afterlife myself, I also know that we can mistake things as signs from God or from beyond because we only look for that which makes our beliefs true. I keep threatening by skeptic brother that if I die before him, I will come back and haunt him to prove in the afterlife.  In turn, he tells me that he would see a psychiatrist first before he thinks it's me. :)

God works in mysterious ways, as the saying goes, but is it God, a passed loved one, or association that makes you remember a loved one. It could be God or a passed loved one and there is nothing wrong in believing that because it obviously brought you and your family members comfort during a difficult time and no one should take that away from you.

 

 

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