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11:16 pm
March 31, 2009
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Stephen
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I'm no expert– but when has that stopped me? Tuvan throat singers can vocalize two notes independently by creating an overtone. Ms. Michel's effect sounds very similar to me.
I pulled the sound file up in a spectrum viewer, and it seems to match– her base vocal is at 2K, and the overtone is at 4K.
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12:53 pm
April 9, 2009
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Hannah
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Wow. Sounds like your have to have intentsive training to pull it off. Doesn't sound like something a person would accidently discover they can do.
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7:38 pm
April 18, 2009
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1. I would think any religious officiate would have to get permission before performing an exorcism.
This is usually a lengthy process.
2. I don't think the young woman allegedly possessed by "6" was mentally ill.
I think she saw an opportunity to be one of her favorite TV shows and get her 15 minuts of fame.
My opinion: Good actress.
3. Paranormal investigative programming exec's should be reminded that they bear a responsibilty to their viewing public.There are many people with borderline psychiatric problems. They are susceptible to the suggestion that demons can possess them or that their homes can carry negative energy or evil spirits.
Is it ethical to promote these fears?
Lizzie~
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9:35 pm
April 19, 2009
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Hannah
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Hi lizzie 1892
1. There is a process that has to be gone through for a Roman Catholic exorcism. Supposedly that is why PS was called in they were not getting help from their church. Ryan on a Q & A on the PS forum board confirmed that Laura and her family are Catholic.
2. I respectfully have to agree/disagree with you on Laura being a good actress. That statement is even confusing to me! I think she has mental health issues, and has mediocre acting abilities. To me her parents affect was flat, especially the father. He seemed to love his daughter, but it was more like a day that nothing weird happens to Laura is a good day. The mother is totally all over it, and probably putting a lot of the ideas in Laura's head. . .my opinion.
Looks like the family has revolved around Laura for many, many years. I have no qualifications whatsoever in the mental health field, but I am going to throw this out here-Laura is 26 years old, she still lives with her parents, and as far as I could tell does not have a job or going to school. I doubt she feels capable of living on her own nor does she appear to want to. She is not "happy" unless she is the center of attention.
3. In Laura's case, I don't think they put demonic possession in her head. . .it was there already. I do not think it is ethical to promote anyone's fears.
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5:02 am
April 20, 2009
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It's funny that I came upon this thread after I posted on the "Hate this show" thread. I guess I am not the only one that believes that indulging people with mental disorders should be held responisible for their actions later on. These people need to seriously stop encouraging this obviously dysfunctional family! Laura is obviously getting worse as was evident with the follow-up episode of I am six.
Not to mention that the twits at PS had just earlier come from a case of a family whose sister had commited suicide by going into the Mississippi. Forget the fact that the woman had gone through a divorce before moving in with her sister. I guess no one bothered to ask if it was traumatic or if the woman had been abused. That would require them to possibly debunk the claim and we all know what that will do for ratings. Of course not long after they started their investigation Laura's loony mother called Ryan about the new "disturbances" and "attacks" on Laura.
The State of Illinois needs to step in and take Laura from these enablers. I live in California and a person can be place d on a 72 hour mental evaluation if they are a danger to themselves, a danger to others or greatly disbaled. Well we have established she is a danger to herself by the mutilation. Someone please for the love of God and all that is holy get her out of that luntic house! The Department of health and Human services in Illinois need to get involved and PS needs to be investigated by the local police for their involvement. They clearly should have seen this for what it is and that is woman child who needs psychiatric help.
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8:49 am
April 20, 2009
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Martimus
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While it's true that in California they can put you under observation for 3 days under the pretext of a 72 hour mental evaluation, once that period lapsed an adult can simply check themselves out. Unless of course the court finds them incompetant. My late brother used that 72 hour mental evaluation once or twice during his life. Since he wasn't placed there by the court he simply got up and left after 3 days and there was little the facility could do to stop him..
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12:25 pm
April 20, 2009
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Stephen said:
I'm no expert– but when has that stopped me? Tuvan throat singers can vocalize two notes independently by creating an overtone. Ms. Michel's effect sounds very similar to me.
I pulled the sound file up in a spectrum viewer, and it seems to match– her base vocal is at 2K, and the overtone is at 4K.
Yes, it's not tough. In fact, I used to channel a demon called "Popeye" when I was young. Same overtone trick. And especially fun when Mom was serving spinach. I yam what I yam.
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1:05 pm
April 20, 2009
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Hannah
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Ryan posted this about 3 weeks ago.
http://forums.pennstateprs.com/index.php?showtopic=14709&pid=210275&mode=threaded&start=#entry210275
"Feel free to post your questions below. We will answer the questions in the same post as yours (only in bold), so that there isn't any confusion. "
*How is Lara doing now?
Ryan's Response: I'd prefer not to comment until I get permission from the family.
*Will there be an episode part 3?
I hope not. This family honestly doesn't want fame. So it was a lot to ask – for all sides – to return and do this all over again. It was very emotional. We returned because, quite honestly, we love this family. If we have to return again, I'd prefer that it'd be private.
*Knowing what you know now, would you have done anything different during the investigation?
Ryan's Response: You know, I don't want to ponder the "should've, would've, could've…
Also how is the Kentucky family?
They seemed to have such an interesting story as well but it seemed so rushed because of the things happening in Illinois.
Ryan's Response: To my knowledge they are doing well. We did a full, three-day investigation there, but yeah, a lot of that was chopped because the filmmakers felt very strongly that they wanted to tell the tale in one hour. But they definitely got the full PRS treatment.
Do you fully believe Laura/Lara wants the demon to leave?
Ryan's Response: Wassup Turtle. That's an interesting question. Maybe we can talk about this at some point. How are you? You know, you're the only turtle that can make me blush. *blush*
Hey Ryan!
I want to know if you still feel this thing lingering around you…and has it followed you into other cases other than the ones mentioned…I apologize if this is too personal of a question. Its ok if you don't answer it. And May I just say that you became everyones hero last night…Believer or disbeliever alike!
Your amazing bro!
Ryan's Response: Thanks, man. The words really mean a lot. It was very uplifting to see the overwhelming support and interest. I mean, this episode really seemed to hit people hard. I believe that, after the airing of I AM SIX 2 that A&E.com had all their web traffic records shattered. They had more views that night than ever before. And our website and forums crashed. E-mails came pouring in. People really connected and that meant a lot to us. Is this thing lingering? Well, I don't think it's standing outside the shower tapping its foot impatiently for me or anything. I believe those pesky bunnies keep a distance. I've got a powerful ally. His name is St. Michael.
If Lara is under a "Perfect Possession" is this a case that PRS/the cast of PS will continue to work on, or will you folks attempt to contact a higher authority within the church?
Ryan's Response: Sometime I question whether or not the Church is interested in helping its parishioners. The family contacted the Church before, and didn't receive a whole lot of help. And after the airing of I AM SIX, they were treated like they had Ebola or something. So, we had to come back. It's a sad state. So I'd love to continue helping them on a private capacity. I finish filming in a week, and then we will re-evaluate the situation.
Is there going to be anything at anytime that we can collectively do to help Laura and her family?
Ryan's Response: What do ya'll have in mind?
Appears after this question, he stopped responding. Really didn't say anything either. Just great episode, got everyone talking, we love Laura and her family, blah, blah, blah. Hello, Ryan, did it occur to you that the church stopped helping when they realized it WAS NOT a possession? Laura and her family did NOT want to hear that?
From Ryan's latest blog: http://www.ryanbuell.net/
" Yes, I DO have a book coming out, I swear. In fact, my co-writer and I have been working on it the past week. Gonna be some interesting stuff."
"I'm also doing another film project or two. One will be announced shortly. But that's all I can say about it now. The bosses who run it are pretty uptight about keeping it a secret."
GAG, just hand us more ammo Ryan.
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11:30 am
April 21, 2009
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Just when I thought that Paranormal State couldn't sink to same levels as ' Side show Bob Larson' of ' The Real Exorcist' fame, I was proven wrong.
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4:07 pm
April 21, 2009
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Stubborn Lad said:
Just when I thought that Paranormal State couldn't sink to same levels as ' Side show Bob Larson' of ' The Real Exorcist' fame, I was proven wrong.
AMEN,brother. My mouth hung open in disbelief at how far out that show has become. I actually squirmed in embarrassment for everyone involved. I had such hopes for that show in the (very) beginning!
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10:20 am
April 30, 2009
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Hannah
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What’s the most disturbing experience you’ve been involved in with PRS?
"Well, a few years ago, I was contacted by a prominent family and the Roman Catholic Diocese to work on a demonic case. … We went into this house — I mean, blood on the walls, crucifixes bending, voices. One of my investigators got scratched by an unseen force. We have it on film. Claw marks on her forehead. … It was a very life-changing experience. Ultimately, it led to a church-sanctioned exorcism. "
http://www.spectralreview.com/2007/12/14/ryan-buell-interview/
This is what really disturbs me, why in the world would the Catholic Church contact Ryan? Or did he wrod this response to make himself look more important? Is it a fabrication?. . .that is the way I am leaning.
"Along the way, I learned about paranormal investigators such as Ed and Lorraine Warren and Hans Holzer."
http://paranormal.suite101.com/article.cfm/an_interview_with_ryan_buell_of_paranormal_state#ixzz0EBKU8JQz&A
Ahh. . .that explains it!
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1:19 am
May 2, 2009
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MissMissy
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Hannah I think your right my friend. This sounds too hokey for me. The thought that the Catholic Church would attach itself to such a group is absurd. Look at the case of Emily Rose (or whatever her name was). the Church basically disowned the priest, mainly because it went bad, but I think that nowadays with advances in mental sciences alot of these cases can be properly ruled as a mental health problem.
I will say that I will not rule out the possibility of true possession it's just that it's so rare that I can't believe that every episode of PRS that it's demonic! Not a week goes by that they don't have a "demonic" case. Just recently they had on this family where the mother was pre-menopausal and she was totally freaking out on camera that some "demon" was after her and her family and that her and her husband watch little potpouri balls flying at them. I need not say more other than the fact that the little balls magically took flight off camera and when the husband was with in distance of the bowel.
I guess hard science falls by the wayside when good entertainment is at stake. This program is only for religious zealots that believe that everything is caused by the devil. I guess according to PRS there are no regular ghosts out there just Belial and his buddies.
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If the truth is out there than why haven't I found it yet?
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10:44 am
May 2, 2009
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Hannah
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I guess hard science falls by the wayside when good entertainment is at stake. This program is only for religious zealots that believe that everything is caused by the devil. I guess according to PRS there are no regular ghosts out there just Belial and his buddies.
PS, as others have stated, prey on families that are suffering mental health problems, and in the case of the second episode, families that are still grieving a suicide.
Plus they come in and tell these families: "Its demonic," which gets the families further away from the true help they need. All because, as you said "good entertainment." With all the paranormal shows on the air, I guess the producers (which by the way Ryan Buell is one), thought we will corner the demonic market and have a hook for our show. The running thing with Belial and Ryan is just beyond all rational thought much less hard science.
Ryan bills himself as an "professional paranormal investigator" because he read a few books & had an experience Golly, I could be an expert in the paranormal if that was the only criteria, as could most of this forum.
"Ryan Buell is one of the youngest professional paranormal investigators in the field today. Buell is the founder of the Penn State Paranormal Research Society and its subsidiaries, including UNIV-CON. He received a Bachelor's from Penn State and is currently working on another before pursuing graduate work.
An investigator since 15, Buell has investigated hundreds of paranormal claims across the country. Buell continues to work with Roman Catholic, Orthodox and Episcopalean Churches around the area on cases of demonic activity. On occasion, he assists law enforcement with unsolved cases by bringing in a team of psychics and other consultants.
Now 25-years-old, Buell is starring in the Hit A&E series, "Paranormal State," to which he also serves as a producer. The show chronicles him and his group's efforts to understand and solve claims of paranormal phenomena plaguing people from around the country. He is currently writing his first book."
http://www.univcon.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9:ryan-buell&catid=2:list-of-speakers-presenters&Itemid=5
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4:39 am
May 17, 2009
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MissMissy
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Hannah said:
" On occasion, he assists law enforcement with unsolved cases by bringing in a team of psychics and other consultants."
Please tell me this isn't so! I am in law enforcement and the last thing anyone of our homicide detectinves would do is use this putz or someone like him to assist with any investigations.
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If the truth is out there than why haven't I found it yet?
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8:23 am
May 17, 2009
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Hannah
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MissMissy said:
Please tell me this isn't so! I am in law enforcement and the last thing anyone of our homicide detectives would do is use this putz or someone like him to assist with any investigations.
Who knows. Ryan, Jason and Grant, Chip, any of them can claim things and say due to confidentally they cannot dicusss the cases. There is no way to test the validity of their claims.
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5:16 pm
September 30, 2009
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For those of you who are gluttons for punishment, this episode will be re-airing on Monday, October 5 at 11:00 PM EST on A&E.
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"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei
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6:15 am
October 1, 2009
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MissMissy said:
Hannah I think your right my friend. This sounds too hokey for me. The thought that the Catholic Church would attach itself to such a group is absurd. Look at the case of Emily Rose (or whatever her name was). the Church basically disowned the priest, mainly because it went bad, but I think that nowadays with advances in mental sciences alot of these cases can be properly ruled as a mental health problem.
I will say that I will not rule out the possibility of true possession it's just that it's so rare that I can't believe that every episode of PRS that it's demonic! Not a week goes by that they don't have a "demonic" case. Just recently they had on this family where the mother was pre-menopausal and she was totally freaking out on camera that some "demon" was after her and her family and that her and her husband watch little potpouri balls flying at them. I need not say more other than the fact that the little balls magically took flight off camera and when the husband was with in distance of the bowel.
I guess hard science falls by the wayside when good entertainment is at stake. This program is only for religious zealots that believe that everything is caused by the devil. I guess according to PRS there are no regular ghosts out there just Belial and his buddies.
As you say.cases of true demonic possesion are very rare.I don't even really know if the families parish priest even went to the diocese or even investigated any of this himself.If he did, he may have felt that there wasn't enough true paranormal things happening or what have you. And the diocese if they checked her out may have decided that this was more a case of mental probrlems rather that true demonic possesion or whatever. Why the church would turn to a bunch of amatures like Ryan's group is beyond me.Considering what you all have posted about the family dynamics it seems more likely this is a mental case.
Also, Ed and Lorraine Warren from what people have posted here and elsewhere seemed to think every haunting demonic.Now Jesus in the bible tells the apostles that He meets after the Resurrection to touch Him.They had trouble believeing it was really Jesus.He also said to touch Him as ghosts have no bodies.
Clearly Jesus does not call them demons, nor does He seem to equate them with demons. The Son of God would certainly know the difference between them. Also, Hans Holzer i know worked with pyschics like Sybil Leek and others. He investigated many cases, but i would not put him in the same class as the Warrens.
Speaking of family dynamics, did you see the video on the news of the man who killed his wife?
It showed him dancing and mugging around.You also saw his daughter sticking out her tongue at him and acting in a suggestive manner.I could tell you what is going on there and the reason for the murder.
But this is a family forum.
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4:32 pm
February 21, 2010
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anytime and anything that involves the Warrens instantly sends up a red flag that screams "FAKE!!!". I'm from Quincy and from what I've heard about Laura is that she has serious issues and has for a very long time. This exploitation of this seriously mentally ill girl by PRS should be criminal. They are encouraging the behavior, they are exploiting this girl for ratings and offering no assistance. I have watched both episodes numerous times and it's obvious to me that this family needs help. The mother is obviously buying into what her daughter is telling her and the father is going along but is rapidly tiring of the whole situation. This family is in crisis but a group of six demons is not the culprit.
I find it rather disturbing that this 26 yr old is living at home being smothered by her mother day after day. That is not normal. As well as her child-like mentality that she displays so fluently on both episodes. What may have started out as a ploy to get attention from her Catholic parents may very well have taken on a life of it's own and it is truly beyond her control at this point. She may believe her own deceit at this stage and she has a mother buying into the whole fiasco, feeding it by validating it AND PRS doing the same.
Because she has seen a psychologist doesnt mean the care she received was quality care. With the exception of a few dedicated psychologists who really are good at what they do in this area, psychiatric care is a joke at best. Long term psychiatric care is 100 miles away and for most working blue collar families in the midwest, it's unaffordable and insurance coverage is lacking. So the solution most often utilized comes from a prescription pad with hopes for the best.
The "I am six- return" episode is a complete farce. Calls were placed to hypnotists in the area prior to this "emergency" return to help Laura asking their assistance and appearance on the show. They were looking for someone to hypnotize Laura. One of these hynotists was a friend of ours who after seeing several episodes of Paranormal State declined fearing that she would lose credibility because the show is so staged. It would be a good fictional drama if it weren't involving real people with real problems.
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3:28 am
March 8, 2010
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I'm honestly leaning toward all or most of this show being scripted.
I'd advise everyone to look at http://www.paranormalstateillustrated.com
It's an evergrowing pile of inconsistencies, fabrications, and outright lies the show the puts forth, some of them fairly innocuous, many of them _VERY_ damning. For instance…I forget which episode it was, but it was purported by the show to have taken place n "Northfield PA".
Problem being no such town exists in Pennsylvania.
PRS itself has not existed as a club on Penn State campus since 2006 or so, which is well before filming for the first season began. None of the 'cast' is in fact, a student of Penn State during the episodes. The crud pile just keeps climbing as you read.
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