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The latest fiasco called "I am Six".

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1:40 pm
October 28, 2008


windwhisperer

1313 Mockingbird Lane

Investigator in Training

posts 14

I promised myself I was not going to watch this show again, but curiosity got the best of me and I tuned in. 

It was about a demonic possession.  All I saw was a dysfunctional 26 year old demanding attention.

I think she watched one too many movies.  She had all the classic signs of a possession.  She had the scratches on her back, writing on her stomach, a pentagram scratched into her leg, and she was supposedly pulled down a laundry shoot.  Of course when the kids got there, there was no markings on her at all.  Then suddenly halfway through the show she gets scratches on her back while she is in the bathroom.

I abhor so-called psychics and I find it almost impossible to believe in demons let alone being possessed by one.  I actually fast forward through any part that Chip Coffey is in.

Just wondering if anybody saw this show and what you think.

"Searchers after horror haunt strange, far places." … H.P.Lovecraft

3:39 pm
October 28, 2008


Denise Grey

Guest

Hi… I wanted to reply back to your thoughts on the "I am 6" fiasco? I am still wondering myself about what I watched.The only question I have is the Lorranne Warren input. Why would she risk being put in the mix of all that if she thought it would come back to bite her? This is the only thing I keep going back to… I was wondering if anyone else had the same question? If so please let me know/because I really do not know what to think about that whole thing!!except that I made my husband watch it with me and he has not let me forget it (ha-ha).I must say it has made me appreciate those ghost hunters (TAPS) even more… Sincerely-Denise

4:48 pm
October 28, 2008


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

This episode is about as bad as it gets.  It was so bad myself and my hubby watched it twice, just so we didn't miss anything.  Or else because we couldn't believe what we were seeing.

Denise, I don't quite understand your question about Lorraine Warren.  To me, this entire group are a punch of overly-religious, fantasy prone people who feed off each other.  A shared delusion, if you will.  Actually, I was surprised by Lorraine not being able to rattle off the exact part of the bible that quote is from.  My husband shouted it out to the screen (and we're not even Christians).  It's Mark chapter 5, verse 9.

windwhisperer-I think you caught the essence of this episode.

In any case, my mind was going crazy trying to think why this child-woman reminded me of someone.  Then it hit me; the character "Carrie" from the movie of the same name.  Not just the looks.  Her body language, her childlike behavior and her religiousity all brought back Sissy Spacek's portrayal.

This episode disturbed me probably more then any other from PS to date.  That poor thing needs more help then she is currently getting.  I'm no psychologist, but my husband has worked many years in psych, and we both came to the conclusion she has "Peter Pan Syndrome".  She apparently suffers from lack of emotional development beyond, say, an 8 or 9 year old.  Her parents obviously were treating their only child like she was some delicate flower.  Probably every little cough, every tummy ache was responded to with gobs of affection and way over the top concern from her parents.  She is pampered and has learned to love being the center of attention, so why grow up and become an independent woman?

There is also the distinct possibility that her parents don't want her to grow up and leave home.  So all three are feeding off each other, creating a cycle that is not very healthy.

Also, was that house absolutely filled with religious objects or what!  Even the laundry chute had an old Catholic symbol that I haven't seen in years.  Given Laura's impressionable childlike (I keep using that word) mindset, the tenets of her parents faith simply overwhelmed her.  What I'm trying to say is that we have, IMO, a very dysfunctional family. 

BTW, her therapist seemed a very credible man, who would not come out and say he did not believe in possession, but one could certainly infer what his view is.   There may have been more said along that line, but as my hubby pointed out, we don't know how much of his interview was edited.  Also, if Laura isn't seeing a psychiatrist, she needs to do so in addition to the psychologist because her case appears very severe.

What she DOESN'T need are the team from PS.  That priest and Chip Coffey were actually making me nauseous.  There was a shared belief in demonic possession with no evidence of any critical analysis whatsoever.  A personality disorder was ruled out way too quickly in this case.  That Ryan feels some demon has remembered him and is out to get him brought back echos of the first season with that ridiculous Belial subplot.  If Ryan truly believes what he says, Laura is not the only one needing help.

I'll try to wrap this up as I didn't mean to produce a book.  Some observations:

1.  The marks/scratches on Laura's body: looked like a combination of self-inflicted scratches and hives.  Very attention getting, which is what I would expect from someone who craves, and becomes, the center of attention.  The writing on the floor: no attempt made to find out how old it was.  The cross or crucifix on the upper part of the screen to me looked like the tool used to write out those words, whose translation made absolutely no sense, even after the translator said what the words meant.

2.  Pulled down the laundry chute???  As per the experiment, no adult could fit.  So someone from PS suggests perhaps the demon made Laura into a contortionist.  Sorry, I don't believe the family at all on this one.  We have only their word that it happened at all.

3.  The bathtub incident-Freud would have a field day.  If it occurred as stated, IMO Laura play acted this one and brought out that it had a sexual connotation.  Chalk up another center of attention performance.

4.  The exorcism-the original poster said it all.  Quite the performance, though not as good as it could have been.  And again, like a child, she holds her breath, pretends to be somebody else etc. etc.  That certainly got everybody's rapt attention.  Could no one see or suspect this was a big put on by her?

Mention was made during the show of Laura's illness, but no other explanation was forthcoming.  What could she have that would not allow her to go outside?  Though apparently it subsided enough to let her go outside at the end of the show.  It may be genuine, but then again, it may be another ploy for attention and also a means to satisfy the parents' perception of her as a delicate person needing all their care and attention.

Laura was very skinny.  It wouldn't surprise me to find out she was anorexic and/or bulimic.  It would fit the picture perfectly. 

I am not making fun of, or putting down, this IMO deeply disturbed young woman.  My husband believes she needs to be admitted to a treatment center to get at the real roots of her emotional problems, receive medication and mostly, get her out of that house and away from her parents.  Most women in their twenties would want to have a place of their own and be as independent as possible.  The whole scenario was not normal in any way.

Shame on PS for both encouraging her behavior, telling her she was "possessed" and giving her incentive to put on a grand performance, complete with a paramedic squad ready to take her to the hospital on standby.  A master manipulator.

Lastly, I wondered why they didn't show any of her artwork.  I would have been very interested to see what she painted as it might have provided a clue into the inner workings of her mind.  Poor woman.  Anyone else her age would be out enjoying life, making friends, perhaps marrying and/or on a career path.  Instead, I believe she is trapped by both her mind, her parents and now by a bunch of grownups who really should know better.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

6:10 pm
October 28, 2008


Harry

Fort Mill, SC

Investigator

posts 60

Oubliette's comments nicely sum up everything I hate about "Paranormal State."

Too many of the people on "Paranormal State" clearly have significant emotional and mental problems and are in dire need of professional help. The last thing those people need are others who indulge and encourage their problems. The PS team gives them a sympathetic ear, automatically grants credence to their ridiculous claims, and gives them their 15 minutes of fame on national TV. And then the PS team goes away, leaving those people just as troubled as before—–and probably more so, since PS has "validated" their stories.

"Paranormal State" is cynical and exploitative, and that's why I can't watch it any longer. I don't mind goofing on—-and even humiliating—-normal , emotionally healthy people who really should know better, but I draw the line at taking advantage of people with painfully obvious emotional and mental issues.

5:58 am
October 29, 2008


Wes

Guest

Oubliette and Harry, you hit it on the head. It's one thing to pursue drama for a TV show, but it should never be acceptable to exploit a disturbed person — will she now avoid getting real psychological help because the demons have been cast out of her?
Shameful.

6:20 am
October 29, 2008


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

I suspect the saga continues.  I really feel sorry for her.  PS did the usual thing-came in, validated a client(s) delusion or in this case, create a new one by telling Laura she is possessed, performed their mumbo-jumbo and then rode off into the sunset.

Can't help wondering what that families neighbors think about all this.

If exploiting a mentally and/or emotionally unstable person for ratings isn't against the law, it should be.  Perhaps in this age of reality TV, the legal profession needs to take a harder look at some of these shows.

P.S. I am editing this post to include a discussion I had with a psychologist friend this morning.  She did not see the show but I described it as best I could. 

We talked about the phrase "I am six".  In concluding that this may indeed be a case of "Peter Pan Syndrome", she said the "six" may refer to the chronological age that Laura may be stuck in.  An event in her life, such as a major illness that both frightened her parents and made them overprotective may have had something to do with it.  I just assumed the "six" meant 6 demons or whatever, but it was good to get a therapist's take on this.

My friend also pointed out that what PS appeared to do in this episode was way over the top.  Unlike psychology, psychiatry etc., there is no such thing as a board which oversees and sets parameters for a field that doesn't even exist yet.  Thus, no one is at the controls and can suggest that in some cases, such as this one IMO, a team like this may have stepped outside the bounds and actually done more harm then good.

I'm thinking about writing A & E about this episode, but it would probably do no good anyway, seeing that PS seems to be such a popular show.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

10:43 am
October 30, 2008


windwhisperer

1313 Mockingbird Lane

Investigator in Training

posts 14

You guys have really great comments on the show.

I'm beginning to wonder if this  is actually meant to be a paranormal investigation show.  Or is it only on TV for entertainment purposes only.

I can't imagine anybody not seeing the 26 year old having "problems".  And it wasn't demonic possession. 

I wonder if those religious items all over the house were for the benefit of the viewers and the PS kids.  Or are the parents so doting on their child that they believe it all.  I'm wondering about her psychiatrist too. .   

How much experience do these PS kids have anyway with the paranormal and supernatural anyway?  Come on…they're kids.  And, they were lucky enough to have gotten a TV show. 

What's going to happen to the show when these kids graduate? 

I was just wondering if I'm becoming too much of a skeptic that I can't see the forest for the trees.  Yes, I'm one that if it hasn't happened to me I simply can't believe it.  I'm interested, curious, and keep wanting more.

But I keep watching this stupid show….WHY? Undecided

"Searchers after horror haunt strange, far places." … H.P.Lovecraft

10:14 pm
October 30, 2008


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

I am very happy to see that others feel the same way.  This show has stooped to new lows.

About her psychologist–remember that his interview was no doubt edited quite a bit.  I'm wondering what his diagnosis is of poor Laura's problems.  She had to have signed a medical release form (due to HIPAA) just to be able to say what he did.  I was surprised that he even gave out as much as hedid; i.e., she's not schizophrenic. 

My psych friend said he gave the right answer since he probably did not believe in possession "I believe that people believe they can be possessed", and then treat accordingly.  Seems PS took that ball and ran with it.

Now her therapist is left to pick up the pieces of the mess PS left him and the family with.

BTW, has anyone seen the new SciFi show The Exorcist.  Take PS and go from bad to worse.  I could only watch a few minutes before turning it off; hence no review.  This is getting absurd.  Shows like this are simply not conducive to mental health.  Why does TV feel that they have to show such anti-science, medieval backwardness?  Now watch the rate of people who think they are possessed rise to new heights-a very unhealthy prospect.

So the guys who are trying to market a truly skeptical show (I think they're called "The Skeptologists" or something like that) seem not to be able to get on one of the major networks.  Is there a conspiracy to refuse to show more rational, debunking shows and instead thrust this garbage at the public?

Have TV networks no shame??  My mind boggles.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

8:59 pm
November 2, 2008


CreatureFeature

Pennsylvania

Investigator in Training

posts 25

Oubliette-

You're right on with your observations/comments. There's nothing for me to add.

I normally do not watch this show,  but I was not feeling well and found myself channel surfing on a pretty dry entertainment night.  I'm glad I'm not the only one that made the 'Carrie' connection.

3:13 pm
March 8, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

Oubliette said:

I'm thinking about writing A & E about this episode, but it would probably do no good anyway, seeing that PS seems to be such a popular show.


There was really nothing on TV yesterday afternoon.  While flipping channels, I came upon PS.  I watched PS when it first started, but I finally stopped.  I simply couldn't take it anymore.  There is only so much "Chip Coffey" that one should have to endure.  Anyway, I decided to stop and watch the show.  The show was "I Am Six."

Unbelievable…

Oubliette did an outstanding recount of the show and analysis of the material.  I completely and utterly agree with her so no reason recap it myself.  However, after watching this trash, I did go to the A&E website because I did want to write to them about it.  Will it do any good?  Probably not.  But I felt I had to do something (you don't fight the fights that you can win, you fight the fights that need fighting).  The theme of the letter went something like this- "If they wish to placate the emotionally troubled and possibly mentally ill with an exorcism, then why not go the full midieval route and throw her in irons and toss leeches on her as well?  Why not go all out in leading the defenseless, sacraficial lamb to the slaughter if it's good for ratings?  Think of it, if she commits suicide you could have an one hour special and Chip could communicate with her from the beyond.  How grand that would be…"  Yeah…and then it got angry…anyway… 

While at the A&E website, I checked out the mboard for PS.  Apparently quite a few posts and even entire threads had been deleted concerning this particular show.  There were a couple left so I looked through them.  Man…I guess Fanboys will be Fanboys.  My favorite defense of the PS team is that the girl was a "hypersensitive empath."  That was the root of the problem.  That's why she was more apt to be taken by a demon.  Seriously?  Are you kidding me?

I don't really mind these ghost shows.  It's fun to watch and if people want to run around in the dark and figure out what goes bump in the night, fine.  I have no problem with that.  If you can talk a network into following your group around with cameras and get paid for it, more power to you.  But…when you go into someone's home under the guise of "helping them" and it turns out that they have very real and very serious problems…you HAVE TO back off.  Your moral compass must point in the direction of "what's best for this person" as opposed to "this is going to look good on film."  Anything less and it's not only pathetic, it's borderline criminal. 

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

5:58 am
March 9, 2009


Wes

Spaulding Inn, Room 38

Investigator

posts 142

Unfortunately, PS has a track record of dealing with people with apparent psychological problems by telling them "they be demons!" I guess I'm not surprised that the PS folks, as delusional true believers, would do that, but I am surprised that A&E at least doesn't have a little disclaimer saying "this show is for entertainment purposes only and those on the show are provided professional counseling."

We can only hope that the offer of real help is made, perhaps made quietly so as not to curtail the "drama" of the show.

If not, what would likely stop this MO would be for someone to hurt themselves or someone else after being told by PS that they are being stalked by evil spirits, and for the show to be sued.

"The truth shall bear all light."

6:27 am
March 9, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

Revenant, many thanks for the compliment!

Channel fan boards are a hoot.  Trouble is they are moderated and it doesn't take long to pull all the negative posts if they become too numerous and make sense, which most of them do.

It is obvious the suits up in the penthouse offices of these channels have lost any semblance of a moral compass, if they ever had any.  Shame on them for exchanging the damaging (IMO) aspects of shows like PS for the almighty dollar.  I confine my viewing now to mostly the Science Channel, Discovery (including medical; I've always wanted to be a doctor), NatGeo, History and History International–keeping in mind that some of what they show is debatable or even plain wrong.  But it's still better then 90% of what is out there.

Maybe the Science Channel should pick up "The Skeptologists". I forget what huge conglomerate owns so many of these channels.  I believe the Science Channel is a spinoff of Discovery. 

Someone, please, at least give skeptics an honest shot.  Maybe they're afraid of litigation from shows like GH, PS etc.  Or maybe skepticism just doesn't "sell".

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

2:59 pm
March 9, 2009


Hannah

Guest

* tried to log in several times, but won't log in with name and passwordSurprised

Yes! Yes! 

Oubliette hit the nail on the head. 

Glad to know I am not the only one that thought Laura was immature.  I was rather shocked when it was stated that she is 26.  The viewer is left to wonder if she ever lived away from home, held a job, or even drive.  I thought it rather odd also that her artwork was not shown. 

Others have mentioned the mother and I think there is something dysfunctional rather than demonic in the household.  They had pictures of the 'writing' on the skin, but not of her caught in the laundry chute, or pictures of her back, when the mother said that it had happened before "with blood running"?  The mom was very emphatic about the cold bursts of air coming from the closet, but no one in the family noticed the scratches on the floor of said closet? Or was it one of the things the PRS team was allowed to "discover" ?  The I Am Six thing reminded me of the Exorcism of Emily Rose.  After checking a site on the Excorism – The Facts http://www.stmichael.pair.com/ * she didn't really have any sign of a true possession. They are listed as:

The following are symptoms of possession as represented in the Roman Ritual of Exorcism. In most cases, a victim will have one or more of the traits listed.

  • Victim speaks or understands unknown languages without ever studying the language being spoken or heard
  • Victim clearly knows things that are distant or hidden
  • Victim can predict future events (sometimes through dreams)
  • Victim has an intense hatred for holy things
  • Victim shows a physical strength far above his age or normal condition

*Information pertaining to this web page was supplied by an American Roman Catholic Priest,

According to the PRS board, the team went out again, so I assume there will be a I Am Six sequel.  I really, truly hope that psychiatric help is included. 

12:28 am
March 11, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

Hannah, thanks for your thoughts on this. 

You brought up a very interesting view of the subject.  Did she have the "proper" signs of a "true possession?"  I understand your point.  But I must admit, I got a bit hung up on the "true possession" aspect of it.  For a true possession to exist, one must believe and validate the act of exorcism itself as "real."  I will only say that I am highly suspect of the act of exorcism and I'll leave it at that.  

I began poking around the net, looking at various sites.  I was focused more on the mentally ill aspect.  I wanted to get some sort of statistical look at the number of exorcisms verus the number of people that had a history of mental illness.  I also wanted to look at the general educational background of those "needing" an exorcism.  In both pursuits, I failed.  I simply couldn't find what I was looking for.  I found a few medical studies, but nothing that answered any of my questions.

But, I won't leave empty-handed.  Here's what the Skeptic's Dictionary has to say on the subject:

 http://www.skepdic.com/exorcism.html

As I poked around the net, I did find something interesting though.  I began looking at Andrew Calder.  He is the man who performed the exorcism.  Here's his blog at Myspace:

 http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=144827808

His entry for the "I Am Six" show is "Exorcism in Illinois."  Look further down and you'll see he appeared on the TAPS Family Radio show.  This intrigued me.  Why would a priest do that particular radio show?  In fact, he seemed to have a great interest in the paranormal.  So, I looked further…

 http://www.geocities.com/georgiaparanormal/director.html

I am uncertain what to make of this.  An ordained priest having his own paranormal investigating group.  Does this strike anyone else as odd?

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

3:28 pm
March 25, 2009


Hannah

Texas

Lead Investigator

posts 361

Sorry about the empty post Revenant, an unintentional oops on my part.  Lightbulb came on–"true possession", Foot in mouth implying I believed in possession.  I am still on the fence about it.   

Enjoyed the links.  Andrew Calder on MTV's Fear also, following J's footsteps?  His myspace. . .simply advertising which ghost events he is going to be on, and asking for donations.  To be fair he seems very sincere in prayer requests.  Some of the comments left are kind of spooky.

Love the skeptic's dictionary.

Please note I am not attempting to “prove” demonic possession, but to stress that Laura had no signs of what is generally accepted as being possessed.

A bit different take on exorcism, but I think the link below to How Exorcism Works is interesting reading.   The Catholic Church seems to rarely use exorcism and from what I understand, it is extremely hard to qualify.  I think might be even more rigorous standards since Vatican II.  I did not pursue that with solid info.

Excerpts:

Sources report that the motto of Father Pater Davide, official exorcist of the Vatican, is "seek fault in yourself".

"Often, the priest will consult a psychiatrist in his investigation in order to determine whether the "possessed" person's symptoms can be fully explained by mental illness. According to Michael Cuneo's "American Exorcism," there are about a dozen psychiatrists in the United States who evaluate potentially possessed subjects for the Catholic Church. The subject will also undergo a medical examination to find out if the symptoms can be attributed to a physical disorder or illness. The priest may consult a Church-approved expert on the paranormal for additional input. Another possibility the investigator must consider is plain old fraud."

 http://science.howstuffworks.com/exorcism.htm

Article: Real-life case of demon possession documented
Woman levitated, spoke other languages, showed paranormal powers
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58835

Source for above article: AMONG THE MANY COUNTERFEITS
A Case of Demonic Possession

 “Amid widespread confusion and skepticism about the subject, the chief goal of this article is to document a contemporary and clear-cut case of demonic possession. Even those who doubt such a phenomenon exists may find the following example rather persuasive.”

 Note: You will not be able to read whole article unless you are subscriber, or pay $1.50 for article. 

http://www.newoxfordreview.org/article.jsp?print=1&did=0308-gallagher

 Last link, but a more current take on the Catholic Church and exorcism: The Story of a Modern-Day Exorcist

“But even exorcists themselves admit that 90% of the people that come to see them don't need an exorcism. There still remains a small percentage of cases, however, involving levitation, mind-reading and other paranormal phenomena that can't be explained through science. Maybe one day.”

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1885372,00.html

1:00 am
March 28, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

Hannah said:

Article: Real-life case of demon possession documented
Woman levitated, spoke other languages, showed paranormal powers
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58835

Source for above article: AMONG THE MANY COUNTERFEITS


Thanks for all the links…much to go through.  I'm going to focus on the above link (I choose not to pay the $1.50 to read the other one…man, I still remember a time when everything on the net was free…anyway…).

So, I read the story.  It's interesting.  Shocking even.  I sat back, thought about it, and realized that it's also the poster-child for why I post on this forum.

It is an amazing story of the paranormal.  Believers in exorcism will use it perform even more exorcisms.  Demonologists will study the case and use it in their lectures.  They will never forget to mention the "board-certified psychiatrist and associate professor of clinical psychiatry at New York Medical College" who was there.  Undoubtedly…this case will finally show those skeptics a thing or two.

Oh really? 

Hmmm…where is the video evidence showing her levitate?  That would be great to see.  Can we hear all the languages that she spoke (more on this later)?  Can we get any sort of description of the room that she was in?  Could she hear anything being spoken outside the room to explain how she "knew" things?  "Objects would fly around the room?"  Really?  Cool.  What were the objects?  Can we see the video evidence of this?  It was a warm day in June and the room got cold.  What were the temperature readings?  Then the room got hot?  Really?  A room got hot at midday in June on a warm day?  Stop the presses….

My favorite was the old "speaking in tongues" deal.  They claim she had "multiple voices and sounds come out of her."  Not even the slightest clue what they're talking about here.  Sure wish we could hear the sound recording of the event.  But it gets better.  "At one point, the voices spoke in foreign languages, including recognizable Latin and Spanish. (Julia herself only speaks English, as she later verified to us.)"  Um…what?  She verified that to you?  The girl supposedly possessed by a demon told this to you and you believed it?  This is what we're going with here?  Sure, I mean who speaks Latin?  Nobody does.  Well…except maybe a woman "with a long history of involvement with Satanic groups."  Aren't a lot of those Satanic rituals in Latin?  Still though…pretty weird that she knew it though, huh?  And speaking Spanish?  Wow…that is impressive…I mean who speaks Spanish anymore?   

I just want evidence.  Don't tell me this and that happened.  Show me.  Prove it.  Prove something.  Prove anything.

I'm really glad Hannah found this story.  I've seen tons like it while looking at both demonology and exorcism.  Every single one is just like this.  "This is what I saw.  It was scary.  You should be scared too."  I would be…if I was 9 years old.  But as an educated adult, I need more than scary imagery.  I need more than hearsay.  Is solid evidence of any of this too much to ask for?  Actually…I think it is… 

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

9:01 am
March 28, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

Sounds like all this occurred before a captive audience; i.e., around people who actually believe in possession.  This allowed even more gullibility to enter the picture.  That is some story, and many thanks to Hannah for the link.

Seems that PS has no qualms about borrowing from The Exorcism of Emily Rose and, especially in this week's episode, The Exorcist.

The supposed true story that Blatty based his novel on was probably not even a real event to begin with:

http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/exorcist.html

And it disturbs me that such backward thinking by the church resulted in a trial charging the priests with negligent homicide in the case of Anneliese Michel.  That poor, tormented soul died unnecessarily, IMO.  She had already been diagnosed with severe psychiatric problems, which could only have been enhanced by the mumbo-jumbo performed around her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel#Trial_and_courtroom_charges

This is why I am such staunch opposer of not only the concept of demon possession but also shows like PS that feed into this fantasy.  It's not harmless; it's downright dangerous.  Hence my scathing review of PS's The Possession.  Just my opinion, but as science begins to make headway, those fanatical followers of any religion have become more outrageous in trying to defend their beliefs.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

9:02 am
March 28, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2959

Is solid evidence of any of this too much to ask for? Actually…I think it is…

Evidence? That just gets in the way.

or: "Evuhdense? We don't need no steenking evuhdense."

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12:17 pm
March 31, 2009


Hannah

Texas

Lead Investigator

posts 361

Revenant wrote: "Hmmm…where is the video evidence showing her levitate?"

That was pretty much one of the comments left on the article you have to pay for. Yeah, I caught the one about Julia verified she didn't speak any other languages.

Revenant: "They claim she had "multiple voices and sounds come out of her." Not even the slightest clue what they're talking about here. Sure wish we could hear the sound recording of the event."
I thought perhaps it was like on Emily Rose where she is saying something but also like a second voice/growl coming from her at same time. There are some recordings of the real Emily Rose posted-and they sound really weird. http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/emilyrose.php Listen to the Voice of Anneliese Michel:
At the time of the release of The Exorcism of Emily Rose, a German web site posted audio in which we hear the real Anneliese Michel's voice during one of the exorcisms. The web site obtained the audio from one of the 43 taped recordings made during the 67 rites of exorcism that Anneliese endured for a period of 10 months. The commentators in the first clip can be heard talking about the demons Cain, Nero, and Hitler, who Anneliese believed had taken over her body.

Anneliese Michel Exorcism Audio – Real Player, 2:26

Anneliese Michel Voice Audio – Quicktime, :12

Perhaps there is someone familiar with audio things that could explain. Do humans have dual sets of vocal cords that can be used independently?

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