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7:38 am
August 18, 2008


Jef

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Last week on Paranormal State the Team busted out a device called the "Ovilus" as some sort of method to recieve paranormal feedback. Anyone know anything about it and how it works?

10:52 pm
August 18, 2008


Stephen

Moderator

San Jose, CA

posts 190

It was only a matter of time until someone designed a machine specifically to generate EVPs.


From what I can glean from the instruction manual, the Ovilus is a random number generator and EMF detector. It will spout random phonemes and words while indicating the local EMF levels. (No indication of what frequency EMF we're talking about.) It's about the same as picking words out of a hat.


Other modes combine the two functions in other ways, saying "Yes" or "No" based on local EMF levels or showing a random display that you can use as "dowsing rods".


The first page of the manual explains very clearly that this device should be used for entertainment purposes only, and that the odds of getting a contextually-correct word or phrase by chance alone are very high.


In the end, what we've got is something that's flashy, but is essentially based on randomness, and is only useful for entertainment. It's the perfect device for Paranormal State!


Although it's only a matter of time till it shows up on Ghost Hunters. In fact, I'll open the pool: it'll show up first episode next season.


Update: Just watched the clip. There're only 512 words in the Ovilus's internal dictionary, and I'll bet they're all words like "priest" and "demon". The PS folks claim that word selection is based on temperature and EMF readings, but there's no other mode that displays temperature. I'm putting my money on a random number generator in there, perhaps seeded by the EMF readings.


Update #2: Battery life using the internal speaker is only 1-2 hours. When the battery goes low, the unit becomes "noisy" and "erratic". Sounds like the final, dramatic clip that they played.

12:14 pm
August 19, 2008


GF

Guest

On GH when they visited the Manson murder site, they used some machine that answered questions. Was that an ovilus? I thought it was pretty hokey, whatever it was, and I noticed they never used it again (it belonged to a guest investigator).

3:08 pm
August 19, 2008


J.

Investigator

posts 38

No GF, that wasn't an Ovilus, that was a K2 meter they used in that particular episode (read the Trivia section).

And they have used that meter again in subsequent investigations, like Fort Delaware and Proprietary House, just to name a couple.

Do a search for K2 meter in the search box at the top.

3:13 pm
August 19, 2008


Oubliette

Investigator

New Jersey

posts 151

J. said:

No GF, that wasn't an Ovilus, that was a K2 meter they used in that particular episode (read the Trivia section).

And they have used that meter again in subsequent investigations, like Fort Delaware and Proprietary House, just to name a couple.

Just do a search for K2 meter in the search box at the top.


Yes, the KII meter has provoked a lot of controversy. Hokey is as good a word as any for both that meter and Chris Fleming, who first introduced it in the show.


For all their protests, GH has been using it a lot ever since, as J has pointed out above. Why they would suddenly change their minds has been a source of contention ever since.

4:10 am
August 23, 2008


bullerspoke

Investigator

Sweden

posts 43

I found the Ovilus a rather funny device, which spat out words sounding like the evil boss in a vintage arcade game. :)


The idea that spirits or demons would talk through the device, that idea is laughable at best. How the frigg would they know how to create the right EMF/temperature setting to provide the input for the correct word? And as has been pointed out, what words are chosen to be included? What if the number that was connected to the word "priest" instead was connected to the word "car", the same input would be present but the outcome would be less "evil" to say the least.


Then again, if it was thouroughly tested, used in claimed non-haunted loactions and claimed haunted ones with the same battery of questions and in a EMF-shielded cage and the results published for scrutiny (peer-review). Then, if that was done, and if the device would have had a broader vocabulary (say 5000 words) I would stop laughing.


3:14 pm
August 23, 2008


Stephen

Moderator

San Jose, CA

posts 190

bullerspoke said:

Then again, if it was thouroughly tested, used in claimed non-haunted loactions and claimed haunted ones with the same battery of questions and in a EMF-shielded cage and the results published for scrutiny (peer-review). Then, if that was done, and if the device would have had a broader vocabulary (say 5000 words) I would stop laughing.


Ah, you're looking for the Paranormal Puck. Much larger vocabulary.


However, we're getting into nonfalsifiability again. How could we know that the house we're using for the control group isn't haunted? Lorraine Warren herself could proclaim the house clean but could be mistaken. (Well, in theory.) Plus, we'd have to make some kind of testable prediction on what would happen in a haunted versus non-haunted location.


But at this point I'm simply arguing to argue, since neither of us trusts the Ovilus farther than we could throw it. Or even half as far– it's pretty light.


4:50 am
August 24, 2008


bullerspoke

Investigator

Sweden

posts 43

Of course we can not know that a place is not haunted, just as we can not really know the opposite. Presence of unexplained or even paranormal phenomena does not automatically implies haunting, since haunting itself is a theory where paranormal phenomena is one part. It is an interpretation of a phenomena mostly consisting of social and cultural components (afterlife, the presence of a soul, good-evil, religion and the possibility of supernatural forces).


But if no so-called paranormal phenomena is reported in one location and in abundance in an other location, we should be able to communicate in the haunted location and not communicate in the non-haunted location, according to theory. Silence in the haunted location would be explained by the believers by them not "performing on cue" and communication in the non-haunted by actual presence or vagrant spirits, again according to theory. Skeptics would shake their head. In the end, we would not get anywhere. Mostly because the inherent ambiguity and plasticity of the "theory".


The first step is of course reverse engineering of the Ovilus itself and a thourough look at it's vocabulary. And experiments to try and make it talk when introducing controlled and directed EMFs and temperature changes. If we can make it say demon using three different imputs, it would be hard to argue that is not a game of chance and interpretation, putting it in the realm of social phenomena.


Or in a controlled enviroment where EMFs and temperature are removed or kept stagnant, if that is possible. If it reacts when input is non-flexible that would indicate external input. Or more probable: chance. Again.


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