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12:29 am
April 4, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

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RRB said:

What I really want to know is who does Ryan think he is?? What or who ever gave him the power to give blessings to a house that is haunted? He is not a preist. And Im really getting tired of almost each show having to be a demon or evil.


At the very beginning of the show, the actual intro includes an odd sentence; "And sometimes, we're even warriors."  That always struck me as very odd.  Warriors?  I didn't really get the reference.  Now, perhaps I do.

There is something called "Spiritual Warfare."  Here's the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_warfare

They do reference "Warriors."  This could possibly be what Ryan is referring to.  This is just speculation.  I have no evidence in which to link him to this.  However, there are many ministries that adhere to this concept.  And after watching the show, one can start seeing them "combat" the demon/ghost.  Perhaps they are using Spiritual Warfare in some form or another.  Sometimes it's hard to follow the show at all much less find evidence of a particular spiritual concept.

Also, the "power to bless a house" or even to perform a more "serious" type of exorcism is apparently determined by what one's particular church says.  When trying to find out more about exorcism and all that it entails, I found a flaw in my searches.  I kept looking at only Roman Catholic Church sites or references.  Once you get a little further away from that, you start finding all sorts of beliefs and procedures pertaining to exorcism.  It appears, that in many, if one's faith is strong enough, he/she can perform an exorcism without being a Priest.

So…"who does Ryan think he is?"  No clue really.  Without knowing his personal beliefs and the type and structure of his church, it is difficult to ascertain what "powers" his faith lends him.

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

6:35 am
April 4, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

I myself am confused about Ryan.  Is he for real (as far as his beliefs) or just acting out everything for the cameras? 

Revenant: If you haven't already, you might find this page from Yahoo! Answers contains some useful information on exorcism in general, not just the Roman Catholic variety. "Dee" has written a good summation of pagan exorcism and the different viewpoint that goes along with it.  But the other comments are interesting as well and give a look into the differing mindset of people when it comes to this very controversial subject.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080224101800AAFIaiw

It's interesting that nobody is calling on a Rabbi as far as this matter is concerned.

Don't know about you, but I am constantly in wonderment that this stuff is still going on, and believed in, in the year 2009, not 1409.  Just my personal feelings.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

8:14 am
April 4, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2874

I thought the Return of the Six episode might have been a Western minus Yul Brynner so I didn't record it and now have nothing to go review, but…. Wasn't the officiator of the exorcism a Catholic priest though? That was why in my looking for exorcism info I restricted myself to the Catholic version of the rite since that was what was used here. Now, if they are mixing and matching or the priest that was called in is free-lancing, then I suspect he may be getting a stern letter from his bishop! OR…has anyone verified that this was not, in fact, just someone "in costume" I wouldn't put anything past this show.

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10:27 am
April 4, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

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posts 574

Nosfer–Father Bob is indeed an ordained Catholic Priest, as I posted somewhere here.  In fact, he is pastor of St. Maria Goretti Parish in Pawtucket, Rhode Island.  His name is Robert L. Bailey.  Here's the church's website:

http://www.stmariagoretti-ri.org/

However, I too was questioning whether or not he obtained a bishop's permission to do this AND have it televised to boot.  What is interesting is that you will note he does not mention any interest in the paranormal on his parish's website, but he does discuss it on his MySpace page:

http://www.myspace.com/frbob

I could be wrong, but this makes me think that maybe he did not receive authorization to do what he did for PS.  However, to answer one of your questions–yes, he is the real deal.

Please take note that in the first "I Am Six" episode, the priest was different.  He was an Episcopalian priest as opposed to Roman Catholic.  Basically they are supposed to be about the same–Espicopalian simply the result of Henry VIII's break with Rome–but from what I've seen it's the Roman Catholics that seem to go to the extreme in matters like this.

Hope this helps.

P.S. Can't seem to find the full video on A & E's site but here's another website that has the YouTube uploads of the show.  Can't say "enjoy" because it's really, IMO, a disaster and extremely disturbing.

http://alienufoparanormalcasebook.blogspot.com/2009/03/videos-paranormal-states-possession.html

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

2:20 am
April 5, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

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posts 1393

Oubliette said:

Don't know about you, but I am constantly in wonderment that this stuff is still going on, and believed in, in the year 2009, not 1409.  Just my personal feelings.


You are not alone.  I'm right there with the "wonderment." 

As a kid, I was always fascinated by mythology.  Roman, Greek, Norse, you name it, I read it.  Even took classes about it in college.  I think that's why I'm into the paranormal.  I view it as our living, breathing mythology of today.  We may not have Hydra's or Gods throwing lightning bolts at us anymore, but we certainly have "greys" flying around in saucers and huge hairy beasts leaving footprints all over the place. 

Now there's been ghost stories forever it seems like, but I think our perception of them as changed over the ages.  Ghosts are not of "our age" yet we have placed our stamp on them.  If they weren't ours before 1900, then they are certainly ours now in 2009.

Exorcism and demons, however, haven't changed much.  You're absolutely right about the 1409 comment.  It is like looking into the past.  That's what is fascinating about the subject.  There is never a point that I look at a website about those topics and not shake my head at some point.  Just amazing how it has burrowed its way through the ages into present day culture. 

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

5:40 am
April 5, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

Funny you should mention the Greek and Roman gods.  It was when I read Edith Hamilton's wonderful book about them back in grammar school that (no offense to believers intended) I realized that to me  all gods were just creations by humans in order to explain the unknowable.  Although the unknowable has been shrinking as the centuries and even decades go by, the belief in god(s) still is quite strong. 

Sounds like you are on the track to a good article about medieval practices that still exist today.  Exorcism is  probably the most dramatic.  However there is also self-flagellation, something that is practiced by the Opus Dei, the extreme society that has sprung from Roman Catholicism.

This is a fascinating subject.  These episodes of PS that contain exorcism could just as well have been a movie similar to The Exorcist.  And it's not just the actual exorcism that is fascinating, but also the reactions of those in attendance.  I just hope we never return to a world where everyone, from the rulers on down, believed that demons were everywhere and that disease was the result of sin or mankind not praying enough.  Another reason why I find this show disturbing.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

11:56 pm
April 16, 2009


Martimus

Arid-zona

Investigator in Training

posts 21

Greetings all!  New here…

I've watched numerous episodes of PS and find myself with the same issues as many who have posted on this site.   It seems like the producers of PS (presumably Ryan) select only certain types of investigations to use as the basis for their shows.  Many episodes of PS seem to flow like Ryan's attempts at showing the world how great he is (or thinks he is).  Now I don't mean this as an attempt to incite.  I'm simply making an observation based on my personal opinion of his role on the show.

Another thing that always stuck me as odd was the PS concept of "dead time".  Based on some ireading I've done it seems like many paranormal groups believe optimal ghost hunting time to be between midnight and 3am.  For PS, however, it seems like "dead time" can be whatever time they chose it to be.  More often than not, however, they seem to like starting dead time at 3am.  My personal belief is that if ghosts exist they can likely manifest at any time of day or night.  The only logical reason I can come up with for focusing on night-time is a lack of visible light to contaminate the area.

7:08 am
April 17, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

Good points, Martimus.  Don't worry about saying anything about Ryan Buell.  There's remarks all over the internet about how he can't pass a mirror without looking at his reflection.  He does appear to be numero uno on this show.

You mention "dead time".  In the first season, PS used to start this at 3 a.m. because it supposedly is the direct opposite the time that Jesus died on the cross.  All of a sudden, any time is now dead time.  They changed this without any explanation but I could come up with at least one: Sticking around until 3 a.m. was beginning to get tiring for everyone involved.  Of course, they could have fudged the clocks, so to speak, but I think it was becoming very inconvenient filming wise.

The question often comes up as to why investigate in the dark.  There are various reasons for this, I believe, and a big one is that we are psychologically prone to be more on edge in darkness.  Now this could produce results either way–we are more subject to experience things due to our heightened state of awareness or our brains start to manufacture all sorts of odd things.  My hubby has stated that the atmosphere itself seems to be different to our senses at night than during the daylight.

Your point is well taken about light contamination.  And in many cases, daytime investigations can be hampered by too many sounds as well as the fact that more people are milling around in the daytime.

Most of my experiences have happened at night during complete darkness.  However, the most frightening one took place in a well-lit room, and another strange occurance happened in broad daylight on my porch.  Go figure.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

8:52 am
April 17, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1075

Does "dead time" follow daylight saving? Do ghosts follow daylight saving? Undecided

OD'd on EMF

8:59 am
April 17, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2874

Do they consider the time-zone difference twixt here and Palestine?

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9:28 am
April 17, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

LOL Learjet and Nosfer!  My husband was just asking the same about the time zones as I was typing my previous post.  Maybe someone familiar with dead time can explain…

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

3:19 am
April 20, 2009


Miss Missy

Guest

My problem with this show is that they never consider mental disease as a possible explanations for these so called 'hauntings.' The girl from the 'Six' episodes clearly looks like she maybe in the throws of a mental breakdown. Tell someone they're possessed enough times and they'll believe it. The second episode that just aired recently that started with the family on the Kentucky/Illinois border told of the sister committing suicide by walking into the Mississippi river. This was not long after go through a divorce. A possibly despondent female uses the excuse of hearing things so her family won't be scarred by her suicide. In other words the 'devil made me do it' alibi.

By the way I am a Catholic and know a bit of the right of exorcism as practiced by the church. The priest initially assigned to the case is trained to go into it believing that there is no demon and that there is most likely an earthly non-paranormal explanation. If all avenues of logic and practicality have been exhausted and it has been determined that the person is not suffering from a mental problem than the priest goes back to the bishop with his findings and after analysis an exorcism can be performed. This all done to avoid creating panic and hysteria because the reality is that most paranormal issues emerge from environments that are already tense. Be it that of family problems or medical issues.

I have issues with churches that treat everyone that comes to them saying that have a demon in themselves as if it were true. They are only feeding into their fantasy and desire for attention. Sometimes Xanax and not the Holy Ghost is what a lot of these people need!

I hope this group as well as the shows producers start acting more responsibly about the people they are dealing with.

And by the way "NO RYAN YOUR ARROGANT, SELF-INVOLVED ASS IS NOT BEING TORMENTED BY A DEMON! GET THE HELL OVER YOURSELF!"

5:07 pm
August 15, 2009


HipKat

HipKat

Investigator

posts 45

I'm so glad I'm not the only person that hates this show.

It is 100% unwatchable!
Everything is haunted and every haunting is demonic.

Even the way the show is presented is hard to watch.

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