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9:21 am May 12, 2009
| ghostgirl74
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This shouldn't be news to any of you, but if I had had my doubts about him before (I didn't!), last night's episode of PS brought it all home for me!
I just couldn't believe how Chip could just blurt out that the woman had been sexually abused by her father!!!!

Shame on him! And shame on A&E for allowing that particular episode to run!
I mean, it was quite obvious from the beginning of the show that the woman had some serious problems, and my heart goes out to her if she truly was molested as a girl. But the fact remains that the woman's father has been deceased now for 15 years and is not here to defend himself.
When are people going to wise up and start holding these so-called "psychics" accountable for the things they say and do?! They are truly ruining peoples lives!!!
-Joyce
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9:50 am May 12, 2009
| Hannah
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This is from Chip's Twitter: "WOW! Watching tonight's episode of Paranormal State brought back all the emotions of being there! NO ONE SHOULD EVER SUFFER ABUSE!"
It is very safe to accuse someone that is dead. I did not see the show, did she agree that her father was the abuser? Again, the man cannot defend himself.
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11:31 am May 12, 2009
| Revenant
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Hannah said:
This is from Chip's Twitter: "WOW! Watching tonight's episode of Paranormal State brought back all the emotions of being there! NO ONE SHOULD EVER SUFFER ABUSE!"
It is very safe to accuse someone that is dead. I did not see the show, did she agree that her father was the abuser? Again, the man cannot defend himself.
I saw the show. Yes, she did "agree." Although…the usual weirdness occurred.
Before Chip arrived, they showed the PS group talking with both the Mother (the victim) and her daughter (maybe 18-24 yrs old). The clips seemed very choppy to us (watched the episode with a couple of friends). At the commercial break, we talked about what we had seen, talked about the little "preview" clips of the show before the show actually started and surmised that she had been abused by her father (supposedly), he was haunting her (supposedly), Chip would come in and read this correctly (supposedly) and the show would end with them cleansing the house…(supposedly). It really wasn't a stretch to see this coming.
It was the "train wreck" that one would expect from PS when dealing with personal emotions and tragedy.
Getting back to those "choppy" clips…I believe this was done on purpose. I am going to speculate here, I have no evidence of what I'm about to say (how can I?). I believe that both mother and daughter either said it outright or said enough about it to get the picture and it was intentionally edited out. The producer, or someone on staff, then communicated this to Chip. This way, you get the big emotional blow-out that was aired.
I do not think the PS gang is in on this type of thing. When things like this occur in the show, they do seem to show genuine shock and they aren't talented enough actors to pull that off. I believe it's behind the scenes between producer and "psychic." In this manner, the PS team looks "real and genuine," the psychics are amazingly accurate, and the producers have a hit show. Everyone wins. Well, except for the real people that they're dealing with. Again, can I prove this? No. Is it a logical way to look at it and explain a great deal? Yeah, sure is.
As for the father not being able to defend himself? It's difficult to address this. Such a serious allegation. Yet, I have such compassion for the victims of this heinous crime. Not sure where I fall on this one.
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12:09 pm May 12, 2009
| Sabrina
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ghostgirl74 said:
When are people going to wise up and start holding these so-called "psychics" accountable for the things they say and do?! They are truly ruining peoples lives!!!
-Joyce
I'm not sure I see how, in this case, anyone's life was ruined. IF this woman was molested as a child, this may have been the first time she was able to verbalize her anger to her father. I imagine that would be very powerful for her.
Her father has been dead for 15 years. How is his life ruined? He's dead.
I will agree that perhaps his memory has been tarnished by folks that know the family. It's amazing how the abusers are so well liked in the community. People who know them find it hard to believe how abusive they are.
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12:17 pm May 12, 2009
| Hannah
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I did go and read some of the comments on the PS forum, and there was a small debate given that the deceased man was a Captain, or Chief in the fire department. The point being made was that sometimes a very wonderful person to the public and a tyrant at home.
Revenant: "I do not think the PS gang is in on this type of thing. When things like this occur in the show, they do seem to show genuine shock and they aren't talented enough actors to pull that off. I believe it's behind the scenes between producer and "psychic." In this manner, the PS team looks "real and genuine," the psychics are amazingly accurate, and the producers have a hit show. Everyone wins. Well, except for the real people that they're dealing with. Again, can I prove this? No. Is it a logical way to look at it and explain a great deal? Yeah, sure is."
I agree they are not talented actors, and yes, I think the producers feed Chip information. I believe I saw some of the first season (or second?) on DVD and watched the bonus segment. One segment was Ryan praising Chip's ability as a psychic. He seemed very genuine in his belief. So your speculations are very much on target. Chip usually asks Ryan if Ryan has given him any knowledge of the case beforehand. Ryan, truthfully (apparently) answers no.
So, if Ryan has read all sorts of stuff on the paranormal as he claims was part of his "training", why does he not question Chip's hit rate? From the research I have done, an excellent "psychic" only gets it right (under controlled testing conditions) about 50% of the time. Has anyone seen Chip "miss"?
This is a very sad situation. Cannot imagine the mother's guilt for never reporting the situation probably because of the husband's standing in the community?
Again, as Revenant said, a train wreck brought to us by A & E.
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1:26 pm May 12, 2009
| alicat
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Not seeing the show but reading the comments, I think it was very irresponsible and inappropriate for any serious "claim" like this to be aired on PS or any other show. I'm not taking sides one way or the other because I don't have the facts but just making a claim doesn't make it so.
Sabrina, I understand what you are saying about not being able to verbalize her alleged trauma before but I seriously doubt that a show like PS was the trigger for her to open up about it. And yes, it is amazing that a number of abusers are well liked, look at the OJ saga and the surrounding circus that ensued before, during, after and even now. However, we know nothing of this woman, her mother, her father, their relationship, her health or her life and neither does PS or A&E no matter what claims they make to the contrary. Making an abuse accusation carries a hefty price to both parties whether correct or incorrect. So, unless that person is around to mount a defense, it is wrong for PS and A&E to broadcast just a "claim". It ruins lives and tarnishes reputations whether that person being accused has or has not passed. Imagine if you or someone you knew were accused and the accusation was incorrect. You could not unring that bell. How many people would be affected in the world whether you or that person were alive or dead? However, if the accusations were proven to be true, not reporting the abuse because of one's standing in the community is deplorable. I have no sympathies for someone who knows about abuse but turns a blind eye.
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6:10 pm May 12, 2009
| ghostgirl74
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Sabrina, I'm not saying that this man did or did not abuse his daughter. If he did, I could care less if his reputation is tarnished, but if he didn't…Well, as alicat and others have pointed out, abuse (especially sexual abuse) is a very serious allegation. There are always two sides to every story, and it seemed very unfair to me that 1) Chip Coffey just blurted this out like it was everyone's business and 2) that the producers of the show let it air without at least TRYING to validate if what he said was true or not.
Besides, when I said that psyhics were ruining peoples lives, I wasn't just talking about Chip Coffey, but T.V. psychics in general. Chip is just one of a handful of "psychics" who have done this. The names Slyvia Browne and John Edward (just to name a few) come to mind. IMO, anyone who would use their "gift" for the sake of exposer and ratings and/or charge money to "help" (usually distraught) people is a fraud. And I just think it is high time that these people are held accountable for their actions. If a con artist swindled money out of you, I'm sure you'd want that person held accountable for not only taking your money, but for all the emotional distress they caused you as well. But that's probably a topic for another forum.
Pretty much all I'm saying is: I don't think I or anyone else has a right to know the personal aspects of anyone's life, especially since it was quite obvious to me after watching last night's episode that not many people, if anyone at all, knew about this alleged sexual abuse. That is a private matter for the family, not for the T.V. audience. And I especially didn't like the fact that they let it air without even doing research into the fact.
-Joyce
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7:18 pm May 12, 2009
| Sabrina
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I will concede, after reading other posts, that it may have been, probably was, in bad taste to air this little tid-bit of information. I don't think it added value to the show and could have easily been left on the edit room floor.
Ghostgirl, you and I have very different opinions regarding psychics and accountability. All too often we want to blame others for our own stupid mistakes. Any time we are given advice we should apply common sense not just follow it blindly.
Are there fake mediums/psychics that swindle people just wanting to hear from their lost loved ones or get love adice or whatever? Of course there are. Is every psychic who charges money for the use of their gifts a fraud? Nope, not in my opinion. They have bills to pay too. We pay artists, actors, singers, etc. to share their gifts with us, why shouldn't we pay mediums?
Back to the topic at hand, I doubt they did, but do we know if PS did look into the allegation? I don't know if her mother is still living or not; perhaps she was able to confirm. If she is not living, how is it going to be proven? All in all, without knowing the facts I do concede that this should not have been included.
With that said, I am going to gracefully bow out of this thread as it was not my intent to anger anyone or start any arguments.
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5:36 am May 13, 2009
| alicat
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Sabrina: "Back to the topic at hand, I doubt they did, but do we know if PS did look into the allegation? I don't know if her mother is still living or not; perhaps she was able to confirm. If she is not living, how is it going to be proven? All in all, without knowing the facts I do concede that this should not have been included."
Sadly, I would venture to say there is a 1 in a million chance that anyone connected with this show would have done any verification of any allegations or facts after the filming and, for that matter, before the filming. Forming any sort of relationship would be so rare as they are in and out and off to the next. It is not their responsibility to verify personal relationships or accusations. It's up to the individuals involved and the courts. And, if they can sensationalize something, they will as it equals ratings and that's exactly what they did or they would have cut that information out of the episode.
Sabrina, you also said: "Are there fake mediums/psychics that swindle people just wanting to hear from their lost loved ones or get love adice or whatever? Of course there are. Is every psychic who charges money for the use of their gifts a fraud? Nope, not in my opinion. They have bills to pay too. We pay artists, actors, singers, etc. to share their gifts with us, why shouldn't we pay mediums?"
Sabrina, you agree there are mediums/psychics that swindle people just wanting hear from lost love ones or get love advice or whatever. Yet you are willing to give a pass to others who charge money for the use of their "gifts" because "they have bills to pay too." Huh? Please, that is no justification for taking anyone's money. Just ask all those people in jail for stealing and embezzlement. We've all got bills to be paid. And please, you cannot possibly compare paying artists, actors and singers for their legitimate talents which we can see and hear with our own eyes and ears although we can disagree on the degree of their talents. There is absolutely no comparison between the two and it scares me to think you might actually believe what you wrote. I hope not.
As far as anyone being angry or starting arguments because of your posts, the strong reactions were because sexual abuse, or abuse of any kind, is a very delicate and sensitive subject and to use it in the fashion PS did was inappropriate, insensitive and just plain wrong.
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6:03 pm May 13, 2009
| ghostgirl74
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11:12 am May 14, 2009
| alicat
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Thanks ghostgirl74. Interesting story. It constantly amazes me what people will believe and how people get away with it. I have no doubt that she made that comment to her husband. It is the typical comment and attitude of a con man/woman.
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1:20 am May 15, 2009
| MissMissy
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Ghostgirl, I just got through reading the interview with that "psychic" that you linked. Gees that lady seems to be her worst enemy! I would be pissed too if I paid hard earned money to hear her rant and give crappy readings. Why is it that people like her after being proven to be wrong soooooo many times still have followers? I mean even at my most desperate I would still look at someones track record and if it sucks I would keep going.
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If the truth is out there than why haven't I found it yet?
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2:47 am May 15, 2009
| Revenant
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MissMissy said:
I mean even at my most desperate I would still look at someones track record and if it sucks I would keep going.
And there lies the problem. Unless the psychic is very high profile, like Sylvia Browne, it's nearly impossible to figure out how accurate a psychic is. And even the high profile ones, you can only track what makes the news. The article listed many normal people who were puzzled by her answers. Those misses will never be counted against Browne.
Before I choose a doctor, I ask the doctor some questions. If not satisfied, I literally walk out. I am uncertain why people do not do the same with psychics. "What is my mother's maiden name? What did I eat for lunch yesterday? My grandfather has passed away, what company did he work for his entire life?" Answer the questions, you get my money. Easy as that. If they cannot give specific answers…then what are you paying for?
PS MissMissy…is that the Unabomber?
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3:05 am May 15, 2009
| MissMissy
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PS MissMissy…is that the Unabomber?
I thought it was the Zodiac Killer. Unabomber, Zodiac Killer I think supposedly they were both Ted Kazyn…(Nevermind I can't spell his name)
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3:57 pm May 16, 2009
| Revenant
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MissMissy said:
I thought it was the Zodiac Killer. Unabomber, Zodiac Killer I think supposedly they were both Ted Kazyn…(Nevermind I can't spell his name)
Hmmm…I am no crime expert, but I do not recall hearing or reading that Ted Kaczynski, aka the Unabomber, was ever associated with being the Zodiac Killer.
Here's the link for the Unabomber (with the picture that you're using near the bottom of the page):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unabomber
Here's the link for the Zodiac Killer, presumably still at large:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac_killer
And not judging or anything…was just curious about the image.
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3:47 am May 17, 2009
| MissMissy
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Revenant:
I remember something from back when they arrested Ted and they (Ted's brother I believe and others in the San Fran area) made an allegation that he might have been the Zodiac Killer. Ted use to teach math I believe at Berkley and exhibited alot of the anti-social behavior that led him up to the log cabin in the woods. Again only allegations but he was in the area since Berkley is near San Francisco.
BTW this goes to prove that despite what my teachers told me math is evil!!!!!
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12:08 pm May 17, 2009
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Back on subject,
One thing that had me laughing at this episode was when Chip drove up the driveway.
Ryan was waiting for him.
As Chip stopped his car he hollered out,"Ryan is that you"!
Chip, you're suppose to be a friggin' psychic!
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1:01 pm May 17, 2009
| Hannah
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blinddog50 said:
Back on subject, One thing that had me laughing at this episode was when Chip drove up the driveway. Ryan was waiting for him. As Chip stopped his car he hollered out,"Ryan is that you"!
Chip, you're suppose to be a friggin' psychic!
So true, so true. Now he is back for season 2 of Psychic Kids. I refuse to watch that show, it makes me homicidal.
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9:07 pm May 17, 2009
| MissMissy
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Hannah said:
So true, so true. Now he is back for season 2 of Psychic Kids. I refuse to watch that show, it makes me homicidal.
Well I'm Cuban if you want I can make a voodoo doll of him. Lets see if he can see that one coming! 
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