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6:05 am
November 12, 2008


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

For those of you who might like to know, Paranormal State is now officially known as The Paranormal Research Society–same folks, different name, more of the same BS.

I saw this coming, as they started going farther and farther away for investigations and some of them have probably graduated from Penn State by now.  The old name is still in use as there is a campus-based group but the others have moved on to the big time.

Anyway, my point is that at least they post evidence on their new website.  Have to give them that much; it's a LOT more then we get from the Dynamic Duo.  Have a look: 

http://www.paranormalresearchsociety.org/evidencereview.php

There's a disclaimer, of course, but it's posted on the Internet for anyone who happens to be interested, not just presented one time in a "reveal".

I still think the show is fake as all get out, but posting evidence on a website has been a bone of contention for many present and former GH fans.  PS has the guts to do it, whereas TAPS–well, I'm sure they have good reasons for not doing so, but I just can't think of any right now. ;)

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

3:15 pm
November 12, 2008


RandomParadoX

Spokane, WA

Investigator in Training

posts 17

Not to sound condescending, but the group on Paranormal State have always been known as PRS. I have the first season on DVD, and it's mentioned both in the opening credits and the season opener. A&E just named the show Paranormal State as a play on Penn State.

That aside….the show sucks, the group sucks. Anybody who uses the paranormal (psychics) to catch the paranormal (ghosts) is an idiot. Like fighting fire with fire. If a psychic 'proves' something, then you have to prove the psychic. Using psychics as an aid in a known haunted location, sure. But using psychics as a main tool in an univestigated location, dumb. At least with audio/video, you don't have to prove that it is catching something. We know it records what is sees/hears. It's proven. What it catches, however, is always up for discussion.

"Like, hey Scoob… did you hear that?"

10:28 pm
February 7, 2009


Dedicated_Dad

Investigator

posts 64

Oh, sweet baby jeebus…

I made the mistake of checking out the website.

Let's see if I have this straight…

  1. These people – at a minimum – gained admission to Penn State
  2. It's my understanding that these folk have – for the most part – "graduated and moved on" – hence MOST of them presumably have at least a 4-year degree FROM PENN STATE.
  3. Penn State is not exactly a "ghetto" school
  4. It seems a fair assumption that whoever is in charge of their website has – at minimum – SOME collegiate education if not a Baccalaureate Degree – whether said person is a PRS member or an employee of their production company
  5. Another fair assumption would be that the folks at PRS have some collegiate education at minimum and would at least have editorial input on the site which bears (<– note) their name…
  6. Lastly, it's my understanding that English is these folks' native language

Have I made any inaccurate or unfair assumptions?

It really kills me to be such a crotchety old fart at the ripe old age of 43, but…  Here's a quote from their site:

The data & evidence collected does not prove that any of the paranormal exists or in any way is evidence of the paranormal. Our data is merely unexplainable anomalies that we are uncertain of their causes. Some of the data presented has been explained and we are providing this information as well for our viewers and readers. We offer you to review and scrutinize all the evidence presented on your own and offer your personal opinion on the phenomena that was captured.

Please bare with us as we continue to build our evidence section. Check back often as we continue to add clips, photos and reports of cases from Seasons 1 & 2.

This stuff makes me CRAZY.

The stoopid – it buuuuuuurrrrrrns!!Yell

(it puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets…  STOP IT… Preciousssssssss…..)

Sorrry.  I'm better now… Tongue out

Let's (see if I can) dissect (this … OMG … mess before my head EXPLODES! (they're coming!-ha-ha-he… Sorrry.  I'm better now…)

"The data & evidence collected does not prove that any of the paranormal exists or in any way is evidence of the paranormal. … "

OK…  Even leaving out the fact that "anecdote" is not "data", and that what we have here is COMMONLY called "evidence"…

(though they insist it's "not…in any way is evidence" which I assume means "this is not evidence" to those of us who speak English… Say… did YODA write this?) 

WTF is that (and I use this noun in its loosest possible definition) "sentence" supposed to MEAN?

"… Our data is merely unexplainable anomalies that we are uncertain of their causes. …"

OK… 

Are these "college graduates" aware that there exists a vast chasm between "unexplainABLE" and "(as yet) unexplainED"?

Perhaps this was written by the folks in the Department of Redundancy Department

"…Some of the data presented has been explained and we are providing this information as well for our viewers and readers…."

So…  Some of the "unexplainable" data has been explained?  Whoa…  Next, to do the undoable!

"…We offer you to review and scrutinize all the evidence presented on your own and offer your personal opinion on the phenomena that was captured…."

Offer me WHAT?

Or, are you offering ME to… Whom?

What if I want to offer someone ELSE's personal opinion?

"…Please bare with us as we continue to build our evidence section. Check back often as we continue to add clips, photos and reports of cases from Seasons 1 & 2."

Bare WHAT?  I'm in pretty good shape for my age, but…  Those crazy college kids – any excuse to get naked…  Though, this one is just a BIT kinky, even if one HAS been consuming vast quantities of jungle juice…  Whatever makes your dolphin dance, I mean…

Oh…  They meant "BEAR with us", not "bare…" Embarassed (<–emBARE-assed, heh-heh…)

Just for grunts and giggles (and any Penn State English Majors that may happen by…) I guess I should probably show how it could have been done…

First, add a simple "This area is under construction." graphic – as the page header reads "data and evidence review" there's simply no need for more verbosity.

If you wish, you could say

"Check back often as we continue to add clips, photos and reports of cases from Seasons 1 & 2. "

Now for the disclaimer:

"The following media items (videos, pictures and sounds) are anomalies, the causes of which are (as yet) unexplained.  Nothing here constitutes ' proof of the paranormal' – in fact we've also included some intriguing items which have been explained

We hope you'll review and scrutinize all of these items, and let us know what you think of what we have captured.  We welcome your opinions and input. "

Note how I've removed the conflicting verbiage and simplified the whole thing into a couple of simple statements which convey all the necessary information in a clear and concise manner.  These skills are usually taught at the high-school level – perhaps English 101 or an "English as a Second Language" class could be of value.

/snark
/grammar nazi…

Seriously, guys – if there's anyone here that's still in college or of "school-age" – I can't stress this enough:  People judge your intelligence and abilities by the way in which you communicate.  Spelling counts, grammar counts MORE. 

I'm a high-end Consultant/Systems Engineer.  The major difference between me and some of my much-lesser-paid peers (most of whom are AT LEAST as intelligent as I am) is essentially communication skills.  I've seen some very capable, intelligent people relegated to the basement because they lack basic spelling and grammar abilities.

Don't be ashamed to take "remedial" classes – I've also seen a couple of people move up when they improved the skills which were holding them back.  It's never too late, and you CAN do it.

Lastly, "txt-typing" is NEVER appropriate unless you're just fooling on your cell-phone with your friends.  Even txt messages in a business environment should stick as close to "formal" as possible given the limitations of the tools being used.

its jus nx kewl 4u2 txt lyk thz – EVER – in "public" – much less in a business situation.

Learn the difference between their, they're and there – your and you're – its and it's (don't even get me started on "apostrophe abuse"…) — these little things speak volumes (possibly FALSE volumes) about your intelligence to the people who will determine your course in the world.  You never know when one of them may see something you wrote…

In THIS case, how in the h-ee-double-ELL am I supposed to take anything they say seriously after THAT introduction?  How much faith can I have in the (apparently) "challenged" kid's opinion?

HTH – seriously…

DD

6:17 am
February 8, 2009


dr_peter_venkman

Rochester, NY

Investigator

posts 99

DD,

I loved the rant. I work in science and technology and have seen some appalling grammar from some very bright people. I keep a copy of "The Elements of Style" by William Strunk in my bookshelf and pull it down occasionally for a review.Tools like word processors have made me lazy in recent years.

Just for grins I loaded the two paragraphs you quoted from their (or is it they're Wink) website in Microsoft Word 2003 to see the green squiggly lines. I was surprised to see it only complains about the incorrect use of "bare". I guess it doesn't deal with awkward sentence structure.

Hee hee hee! "Get her!" That was your whole plan, huh, "get her." Very scientific.

10:08 am
February 8, 2009


CrowTRobot

Investigator

posts 228

I'm with you, DD. It reads like a somewhat-educated individual wrote it. The thought process was something like, "OK. I guess I used enough big words to make us sound like we know what we're talking about."

It reminds me when my students would write sentences using their vocabulary words. They'd usually use them in a way that I could tell they knew the definition; but they either didn't change the tense, or they used it as the wrong part of speech (I hiatus in my room when I got home yesterday.)

However, to be fair to them, they were special education students…..Still; we corrected.

I….I'm thinking.

1:32 pm
February 8, 2009


Dedicated_Dad

Investigator

posts 64

I used to print and bring home e-mails from work to show to my (then elementary-school-aged) kids.  I was a bit torn by the risk of killing their naive belief that all "grown-ups" were smart, but decided it would be better to use the examples to educate them.  They'd already (against all efforts by their educators) figured out that some of their peers were smarter than (not "then") others – so I figured it best to use what I could for their (not "there") betterment.

As an aside, my daughter was in a "homogeneous" classroom in first grade.  Where we'd had "rankings" (like 1-7) they had "groups" (like lions, tigers, etc.).  She was exceedingly proud that she was "a dolphin" – and quite relieved that she wasn't a "giraffe" – apparently (according to her) "Giraffe's are the stupid kids." 

My point?  Even 6-year-old Kids know.  All the attempts at obfuscation fool noone – least of all the kids themselves – and serve no purpose.  "No child left behind" really means "no child gets ahead."  While this may make "grown-ups" FEEL good, it doesn't DO any good at all.  One need only pay attention to see the results.  G*d help us…

Spell-check is a major stumbling-block…  As I've tried to teach mine, it's only there to be sure you don't fat-finger a word you know how to spell, and even then is no substitute for proofreading.  I've got pictures from the HS science fair that are hilarious, sad and scary all at once.  The classic, I think, is the one where a child tested to see whether "spay pant" would affect the flight of a soccer ball.  It would appear (from context) she meant "spray paint"… Undecided

Then there's the report my step-daughter wrote, entitled "The Pillgrums and the Endiens."  For 8th-grade "American History."  She got an "A."  When I lit into the teacher (there are 5 words in her title, 2 are "the", one "and", and the rest are misspelled.  How does this earn an "A"??) I got the usual drivel about "self-esteem" and how pointing out their mistakes is "harmful", and "serves no purpose."

'Scuse me?  What's "harmful" to her "self-esteem" is being allowed to complete 13+ years of public education and landing in the real world thinking it's OK to spell anything in any way you choose, finding herself relegated to scrubbing toilets and thinking she's being mistreated because there's nothing wrong with …. 

Then there's the high-school "honors" math classes where it doesn't matter if you got the wrong answer, just so you used the right "formulas" and "show your work" so the teacher can see how you arrived at the wrong answer…  Do you want these kids designing the bridges you drive over?

"Action News reporter Jimmy DuMAHSS reporting from the scene of today's bridge collapse.  State highway department spokesman Iman Idjot said 'Apparently the engineers miscalculated the load-bearing strength of the beams, but since they used the correct formula, and showed their work, they bear no responsibility for the …' "

Ah, screw it.  Either you know – or you don't. If you don't, odds are I can't explain it to you…

In any case, I blame the parents.  My kids went to the same school, and yet *I* made sure they learned to spell, learned the basic rules of grammar in their native language, made sure they knew how to communicate without broadcasting the failures of our public education system. They HATED me for making them correct already-graded assignments, but now understand what I tried to tell them – it's not "the grade" it's the EDUCATION that matters.  I made sure they got the latter – the former was pretty much handed to them so long as they showed up, sat quietly, and "gave it their best effort."

Wrong is wrong, no matter HOW hard you tried or what formulas you used.  No bridge ever said "I WOULD collapse, but since the engineer REALLY gave it his best, I'm not going to

I meant what I said to anyone who still struggles with this:  It's not YOUR fault they didn't teach you.  Take the time and effort to learn what you missed – it's oh-so-worth-it in the long run!!

DD

4:43 pm
February 8, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2959

And to hone in on one of my particular peeves: datum…singular; data…plural.

Oh well, they can't even handle English so I shouldn't be expecting them to be any better with Latin.

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5:07 pm
February 8, 2009


Dedicated_Dad

Investigator

posts 64

You can't FIND a latin class in a public school any more.

Wonder why….?

'Course, we're positively SWIMMING in "gender studies" and other important stuff…

Gah…

I really can't believe I'm this OLD at such an early age…

DD

9:05 am
February 9, 2009


Wes

Spaulding Inn, Room 38

Investigator

posts 142

What's worse (to me) is that Ryan has a journalism degree and his bio page says in his spare time he "ski's" and would like to wind up on a beach drinking "Corona's" ..

"The truth shall bear all light."

1:48 pm
February 10, 2009


Bobarino

Valencia, CA

Investigator

posts 181

Dedicated_Dad said:

She was exceedingly proud that she was "a dolphin" – and quite relieved that she wasn't a "giraffe" – apparently (according to her) "Giraffe's are the stupid kids." 


Hey!  I like giraffe's!

Special Ed

I've found that being AWESOME is a full time job…

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