Well, this doesn't bode well, hope it doesn't mean what I think it means….
We are the only known organization of this kind. Unlike "ghost hunting" organizations, C.P.D. does not post pictures, host tours or release any information which our complainants wish to be held in confidence. C.P.D. will provide our complainants with a copy of any evidence captured from their own personal investigations upon their request. Your concerns, privacy and dignity are our top priorities.
Doesn't sound like we're going to be seeing much evidence to peer-review :(
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i hear that, but on the contrary, it dosent say that they wouldnt tell us what kind of equipment they are dealing with. or when the show might be aired. or why there is so many differnt stories going around about their last names,law suits, wife abuse, etc. they havent tried to clear their name for anything. i know if i was involved and the smack was being laid on me via research id have some kind of explinatiion and apology for my fans,and past and future people i have helped.
First of all the research that the Holmes gal conducted from the Internet ( which is about as accurate as overhearing a rumor) is pretty interesting.. But it sounds as though there are some questions raised. I am not to keen on the idea of another paranormal show unless it is going to actually seek truth and straight facts. This statement brings me to my next point.
I like the fact that they are discussing bringing new ideas to the table.. that's great.. It is always better to have fresh thoughts, ideas and approaches to these type of investigations. I also look forward to seeing how cops approach this field. I believe it is safe to say they will hopefully open new ideas and concepts to the manner in which investigations are conducted.
As far as I'm concerned, I don't put too much stock in what I read on the Internet. I have not been able to find out anything about that Ron guy being a wife abuser other than what looks like to be some type of political propaganda, furthermore I couldn't even say for sure that was him.. Furthermore, I feel as though I judge by what I see and not what I read.
Again, not trying to stir up the water but I like facts to form my opinion not what I read on the Internet. It says alot about a person who passes on what they hear as true facts. No offense directed to you Holmes… But you said your husband was a cop? Ask him about passing on rumors as facts.. I'm sure he would be the first to tell you that it destroys your credibility quite quickly.
"Pete has been interested in the paranormal for some time. He is truly a skeptic and is looking to capture some type of concrete evidence to prove or disprove the presence of the paranormal. He joined the Chicago Paranormal Detectives in order to explore the possibilities of the paranormal."
Hopefully, he will explain what concrete evidence means to him. It is A$E, but I can hope.
No mention of the allegations as claimed by holmesgirl, but it's not uncommon for people to file complaints against police officers. There's a big difference between allegations of being a "wife abuser" made anonymously on the Internet and proof.
Agree completely, and these are pretty strong allegations. I would suggest that holmesgirl posts some actual evidence rather than just saying to "google their names"
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i never claimed to believe everything that is posted on the computer, i never claimed to have proof of anything besides what is published on the net. the option is always yours to believe what you want. from a womans standpoint, to have a court pending case where you gave a woman a concussion, to being called a wife buser says quite a bit about the person. the two go hand in hand. ron always has the option to clear his name os being either one of these things, he has yet to do that. show me and others proof that the pending court case is not about you,ron. show me and others proof that you being called a wife abuser is not you.
chicagoparanormaldetectives.blogspot.com/2008/06/who-we-are.html – 56k , in this article autins name is austin edwards.
wana give me a good excuse why your using two different names? or isnt that you either?
i dont care if you are a cop or not, if you have a court case against you because you gave a woman a concussion, you have a court case against you. being a cop and having a case is a stupid excuse to try and make others feel better about you being sued. alot of people who are not cops already have negative opinion of cops. is this court case proves to be "fabs" the powerhouse of the team, it will only make the public have more of a negative feeling about cops. especially ones who are going to represent my home town of chicago on t.v. i am not judging you because of your court case or because you have been called a wife abuser, im not your wife. im speaking openly on here, not to hurt anybodys feelings. hopefully if i do tune into cpd, it will be worth my time. i am looking for a few explinations here, thats all.
on friday april 17th 2009, my daughter aubry marie,age 23, has been diagnosed with breast cancer. please says your prayers for aubry and our family during this diffcult time. i will be tuning in here as much as i can, if i dont respond right away, please forgive me.
Some of the links don't seem to work, others show that people may be making claims against a cop who arrested them (as I mentioned, a not uncommon occurence) or are anonymously saying things about someone without proof — there's a word for that, it's called libel.
I think it's a cop out (pardon the pun) to spread anonymous rumors about someone being a wife beater and then say "I'm just passing on what I read on the Internet."
The guy may be a scumbag, he may be a prince, but I don't think every rumor on the Internet is fair play to make a judgement on somebody — and it should be noted that the guy is still a cop — I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that most agencies have a policy that prevents proven criminals from serving on the force.
Okay…the first link once I fiddle with it goes to a list of court cases but a search of the page has no "ron" "austin" "fabiani" or "weinstock" in it. In fact, none of the names on the bio page appear on this list of filings. What name are we supposed to be looking for? Note, for people trying to view this link, it appears to be actually:
The second link apparently is missing the important part that actually specifies the article so who knows what was on the page. The important part of the url is the portion following the "aspx?" so I can't help on this one. If you have a link to the actual article, please post it. None of the articles that DO come up on that page appear to be relevant.
The third is the forum that just has a bunch of people ranting which I can't give much credence to. There is a mention of Ron but unsupported allegations in that forum prove no more than the ones in this one.
Am I missing something in the links above?
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Wes, we've got to stop posting at the same time :)
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I'm guessing this won't go anywhere, but another thought: I'm aghast that, as the wife of a cop, you would say "show me and others proof that the pending court case is not about you,ron. show me and others proof that you being called a wife abuser is not you."
Do you really believe that if someone posted anonymous claims on the Internet that your husband was a rogue cop who molested children it would be up to him to prove they were not true!!? That's not the way it should work (thank god).
Anyway, I sincerely hope all goes well for your daughter, holmesgal.
if you go to the web page that you have posted and type in the name ron fabiani his court will appear. mcgee v. villiage of stone park.
plaintiff-patritia mcgee
defendant-village of stone park, ron fabiani.
theres is the proof you need for that, if you go to http://www.highbeam.com/Proviso+Herald+(Maywood-Melrose+Park-West+Proviso-Westchester,+IL)/publications.aspx, this article speaks of the case.
i never mentioned austin in a pending court case only ron. what i did do was questions austins last name. is it weinstock or edwards. my husband has been in the police field for 25 years. has never had a court case against him, hes been a sargent for the last 10 years. a well respeceted man,huband and father in our lives and community. im very lucky, to be the wife of cop, it takes alot of patience,time and understanding. i have a very high respect for police officers, honest true police officers. who respect the blue, not give a lady a concussion. im going to guess that the pending court case has just began, seeing as how when the date was last year. we all know those things take a while. no dis respect ron, i hope that this dosent hurt your image, or for your sake your show, and i hope you can prove this woman wrong. hopefully proof will be given when you ghost hunt also.
anyways im getting away from the subject, if you google, austin edwards chicago paranormal detectives, and austin weinstock chicago paranormal detectives you will see what im talking about. if you also google, ron fabiani wife abuser,and ron fabiani court case everything that i have spoken about if there. hope thats a little bit more informative.
there is no bashing intended here. just wana see the "true blue" actually be "true"
I found this article on pioneerlocal.com (I could only access it once so sorry, no url) re Ron Fabiani and the lawsuit. This was the only article from 1997-present, so dont know whats happening with the lawsuit. Couldnt find any other articles either.
Proviso Herald (Maywood-Melrose Park-West Proviso-Westchester, IL)
Stone Park woman files lawsuit against village, police officer CATHRYN GRAN cgran@pioneerlocal.com Published: July 16, 2008
A Stone Park resident has filed a lawsuit against the village and one of its police officers. Patricia McGee, through her attorney Mark Parts, filed the suit July 2 in federal court charging the village and police Sgt. RonFabiani with violating her civil rights.McGee is seeking to have the court determine an amount for compensatory and punitive damages, attorneys' fees and related costs, according to court documents.The suit claims Fabiani physically assaulted her in her apartment without justification, causing her a concussion, and then placed her under arrest on false charges following an incident outside her apartment July 3, 2007.According to the suit, McGee awoke on that morning to a commotion outside her window, only to be confronted by Fabiani, who reportedly used his baton to hit her on the head and arm, causing a concussion in addition to other physical injuries.She then was charged with obstructing an officer, a charge later dismissed in court, according to the lawsuit.Dean Krone, attorney for the village, said that as of Monday, the village had not been served with the complaint."We expect to receive it shortly," he said. "But after a very brief review of the complaint, it looks like Ms. McGee interfered with the arrest of another individual."McGee is charging the officer used excessive force and conducted an unlawful arrest. She also is claiming she was the victim of battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, false arrest and malicious prosecution.
Copyright 2009, 2008, Proviso Herald (Maywood-Melrose Park-West Proviso-Westchester, IL). All rights reserved. REPRODUCTION PROHIBITCopyright 2009, 2008, Melrose Park Herald, Pioneer Press. All rights reserved. REPRODUCTION PROHIBITED.
If your cat's speaking Latin, you might have a problem
It looks, holmesgirl, like you've done a google search and pasted the urls from the Google Results page rather than actually pasting the "real" url. This would explain the size of the document being between portions of the url ( – 130k – ) and also the fact that the other cuts off at aspx? There is probably something on the pages, but because of the way you post the urls, there is nothing about Fabiani on either of them.
When I was on the dockets page I did a search for McGee and turned up a Patricia who I assume is the person you are referring to. There were no details so I can't make any opinion, just was a McGee vs the Village and Fabiani, like you stated.. There are two possibilities, though, that I was thinking about and the article that Phillyk48 posts contains both of them. One side vs the other side. So, since we don't know what happened, I'm not going to pass judgment on either party at this point.
Awaking to a commotion _outside_ her window and then being confronted and hit by Fabiani raises some suspicions…if the commotion was outside her window, how did she get into a position where physical contact with him was possible unless A) he entered her apartment, or B) she went out and somehow got involved.
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The way it usually works is if someone has a complaint against a police officer that the dept. finds has merit, the officer is usually suspended and an investigation started. If that doesn't happen, there are lawyers who make a career of filing these kinds of suits in hopes of getting a settlement.
Who knows what the truth is. There are good cops and bad cops, just like on TV.
The point remains that to claim that someone is a wife beater and bad cop because of anonymous Internet posts and a lawsuit by someone who that cop is arrested is unfair and potentially libelous. For all we know, "holmesgirl" is the woman who filed the suit and holmesgirl's husband is a rogue cop — after all I read something to that affect on the Internet, so I don't know why you won't come out and prove he's not, as you want "ron" to do.
there is no bashing intended here. just wana see the "true blue" actually be "true"
You have mentioned Sgt. Ron Fabiani and the term "wife abuser" about six or seven times now. It appears that there is at least some "bashing" being intended. As far as I can tell, this information is coming from a public forum, a highly unreliable source for information. And to defend himself from such rumors or allegations…I am not sure how one can do this. To actually post on that forum to defend himself would degenerate into "Yes, you did." "No, I didn't." "Oh, yes you did." So unless there is more to substantiate this claim, such as a police report or divorce papers or some sort of legal document, I would have to say that there is no true evidence of this claim at this time.
There is a lawsuit filed against him. This is true. However, the American Justice system is built upon "innocent until proven guilty." No evidence has been issued. No witnesses have been questioned. Until a verdict is rendered, we cannot judge this case.
Lastly, Holmesgirl, you seem to be under the impression that members of the Paranormal Cops team read this forum. You seem to be directly speaking to them or directly challenging them. There is no evidence that any member of their team even knows this website exists. Reality claims to be a friend of theirs. We can only take him at his word. I hope it is true, yet I cannot prove this. So, you seem to have a great deal of anger towards these guys, and that's certainly your right, it's just…I'm not so sure that they're listening…
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There are some huge misconceptions here. Maybe I can clarify some of the confusion. First of all, yes, Ron has a pending lawsuit from a Woman who tried to prevent Officers from placing a combative subject into a squad car. The Woman was not involved in the initial incident for which the person in custody was arrested. She felt a need to leave her apartment and come into the parking lot at 2 A.M. and intervene. The Woman did not get a concusion. She was not injured at all. This is a pending lawsuit. Ron has been a cop for over 22 years. In the real world, cops get sued. Additionally, Rons Father is also named Ron Fabiani. During last months local election time, someone refered to Rons Father as a Wife abuser for an unknown reason. This claim is baseless and was directed at Rons dad.
I felt a need to speak on behalf of Ron due to so much focus being placed on these issues. When your a cop, you are in the publics eye. This is not news. Making a t.v. show will only multiply this response. It is understandable.
Thanks for the post Reality. Your statements seem to fall in line with the possible conclusions that several of us came to above.
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