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1:56 am
January 27, 2010


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

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HollyDolly said: "I imagine the 'protection ritual" was because some paranormal groups who have  investigated places, have on occassion mentioned that they felt they were followed home by someone or something after an investigation.One doesn't excatly know who or what might be at a location, so henceforth the ritual.While certainly the paranormal should be investigated with scientific methods and equipment, there is also a spiritual side to it, though people seem to forget that."

I understand what you are saying.  I merely have a different view…

The existence of ghosts has not been proven to be factual.  Since this is true, I do not see how performing a "protection circle" would make any sense, even within the belief system.  I mean, let's get past the burden of proof for a ghost's existence for a moment.  Since there is absolutely no reliable data to say what ghosts are (what they consist of) or their level of powers (imaginary or not), I do not see how one can "protect themselves" from them.  Think about that for a second.  If ghosts have not been proven to be real, how can one test the validity of a protection ritual?  There is simply no logical basis to believe any sort of protection ritual would actually work.

So, in essence, they are using a complete unknown (whether a protection ritual actually works) to combat another unknown (ghosts).  The old saying "two wrongs don't make a right" might be a bit harsh in this instance.  Perhaps "Combining two unknown variables and hoping for a positive and known result isn't really the cornerstone of logic" may work a bit better.

HollyDolly continued to say this: "After all why else chase ghosts,aren't these people seeking the answer to what happens to us after we die? When we die, is that the end, or is there more?"

Again, I understand what you're saying.  And again…I have a different view.

I am not a philosopher or a theologian so I cannot truly answer those questions.  But as I watch these shows, those questions do not even enter my head.  My world consists of what I can prove and disprove.  I watch the shows and consider the evidence being issued forth as paranormal.  As I stated previously, ghosts have not been proven to be a factual concept.  There is no need for me to even consider such questions since the bridge to them has not even been constructed yet.  To me, it is like discussing what you would do with a twenty million dollar lottery ticket.  Although it may be fun or interesting to discuss it, unless you have that lottery ticket in your hand, it's kind of pointless.  And besides, everything would change anyway so you would be doing different things with the money thus rendering your other conversations about it pointless as well.  So…no proof of ghosts…no need to ask end-game questions that no one can answer in this particular instance.

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

7:02 am
January 27, 2010


Crassus

Washington, DC

Investigator in Training

posts 21

  To me, it is like discussing what you would do with a twenty million dollar lottery ticket.  Although it may be fun or interesting to discuss it, unless you have that lottery ticket in your hand, it's kind of pointless.  And besides, everything would change anyway so you would be doing different things with the money thus rendering your other conversations about it pointless as well.  So…no proof of ghosts…no need to ask end-game questions that no one can answer in this particular instance.


You're absolutely correct.  From what I've seen, people DO hunt ghosts for some affirmation of spiritual belief.  It's rather like the archaeologists who dig around in the Holy Land looking for Jesus Christ's briefcase or whatever, as if the proof of the existence of a historical Christ would also prove the divinity of Christ…or whatever.  Even if you could PROVE that ghosts exist, that doesn't mean their existence supports any given set of spiritual beliefs. 

It's interesting that you brought up the lottery.  That's a great example of people manipulating their own psyches using fuzzy or self-deceptive thinking.  I have what is probably an irrational fear of flying (I saw a plane crash when I was a kid, blah, blah, time and place) that many of my friends and colleagues give me a hard time about. 

It's always the same – "Ah, your chances of dying on a plane are next to nothing."  And I say, "Really?  Do you play the lottery? If you do, you should be scared to death of flying." 

See, the odds of dying in a plane crash are about 1 in 10.5 million, based on a one time flight.  But your odds of winning the lottery are about 1 in 18 million, based on one ticket, for most American jackpots.  So your odds of dying in a plane crash are BETTER than your odds of winning the lottery.  The lottery player is willing to take a chance on one longshot behavior while dismissing out of hand another. 

Like the lottery/plane crash example, I think a lot of paranormal claims and the fadism that surrounds the paranormal which seems to come along in generational bursts, has more to do with confirmation bias than any real phenomena.  People believe what they want to believe and they'll self-select evidence which supports their thinking. 

"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt." – Clarence Darrow

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