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It Had To Happen, Folks! The Cartoon Network Jumps On The Bandwagon

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8:46 am
May 21, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

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Last night I was watching the movie Zathura–OK, I know it's for kids but I happen to like it anyway ;).  To my surprise, during a commercial break I was suddenly listening to a teenager (barely out of pre-teen stage; I'm trying to guess how old he actually is) talking about "The Othersiders".  I couldn't believe what I was listening to, so this morning I hopped on over to the Cartoon Network's web site and lo and behold!  It has finally happened…

Forget "Psychic Kids".  We now are going to be treated to a version of "Ghost Hunters–The Early Years".  A team of very young people are going to do a complete imitation of GH, down to most of the equipment used and the methodology.  They have a team leader, case manager, tech specialist; well, you get the idea. 

A thermal camera elicits the comment  "I think it's really cool because it is just like predator vision" (!)  They parrot the same questions used by most groups currently on TV in search of EVPs (It's so cool!).  EMF detectors, night vision cameras–all that seems to be lacking is a FLIR.  Apparently the network did not feel comfortable putting such an expensive piece of equipment in such little hands.

Maybe it's just me, but the paranormal craze has now reached new heights (or lows, depending on your point of view).  Now pre-teens and teens are going to be begging mommy and daddy to buy them at least one or two pieces of equipment so they can go ghost hunting.

I find the concept humorous.  For one, it is coming out in June, way ahead of GH's college edition.  Not only are they beating them to the punch, but there doesn't appear to be any grownups, at least in the preview, having to teach them how to use this equipment and interpret any results (unproven results, but that's a subject for another thread).   No Steve and Tango needed.  Looks like the kids have gotten a handle, probably from watching tons of Ghost Hunter episodes, on the cameras, meters etc., and on how said equipment is used by the majority of ghost hunting teams.

But the funniest part of this is the fact that it points out just how simple it is even for youngsters to learn how to use the equipment and interpret the results, at least in the way that adult paranormal investigators interpret them.  No Ghost Hunting 101 for $200 with Jason and Grant.  No need for a grownup tech manager like Steve to teach classes on the intricacies of the EMF meter and what questions to ask during an EVP session.

If youngsters like this can go around acting like miniature versions of TAPS, why is TAPS and other like groups milking the adult population to the tune of $$ to learn what are basically simple pieces of equipment that have been designed for scientific purposes and re-invented as ghost hunting tools?

I have to admit I am a tad upset that TV is now tapping (excuse the pun) the younger crowd in an increasing attempt to grab another piece of the paranormal popularity pie.  Maybe this was the next logical step, since many kids-my 8 yr. old niece included-watch GH religiously, this was bound to happen.  The market is getting saturated with these shows and many stations are dipping their toes into the pool to see what works with the audience and which one is going to be the next Big Show.  But this is ridiculous.

OK, tell me my views are too negative and I'm taking this too seriously.  But c'mon, when is this going to stop?  What's next–Toddlers of the Paranormal?

Please check it out and let me know what you think. Note how members of the team almost parrot the words of TAPS members.   I am really confused about how to take this except for the aforementioned fact that it shows how GH and other like shows are really much ado about nothing.  If kids like these can do the exact same things, and apparently just as well, it really calls into question just how difficult is it to go ghost hunting and make a show out of it?  And why the need to have classes to teach adults about the theory and practice of paranormal investigation when these youngsters appear to have gotten a good grasp of the very same things that GH does?

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/theothersiders/

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

9:28 am
May 21, 2009


blinddog

Special Agent Zombie Elimination Agency

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"Steadfast, you stalwart soldiers of skeptical viewer!"
"We may soon be the last bastion of logic in a world gone mad."

Oubliette,
I would dare to say, now this just my opinion, that these children's IQ may just be a tad higher than that other group that we know so well.

Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.

11:07 am
May 21, 2009


Harry

Fort Mill, SC

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I wonder if this is a signal the "ghosthunting" reality show craze may have hit its peak and is about to decline. When everyone wants to jump on a bandwagon——as we saw with the recent housing and stock market bubbles and their bursting——that's often a sign the tide is about to turn.

11:07 am
May 21, 2009


Hannah

Texas

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posts 361

Thanks for the link Oubilette.  I am with you where will it all end?  At least they have Sam on the team who says he is between a skeptic and a believer.

"Using state of the art technology, we conduct firsthand investigations of locations with reported paranormal activity. We search for evidence, make a verdict and post all of our findings here on the site."

I guess we can hope they actually do post all their evidence, unlike GH.

11:19 am
May 21, 2009


blinddog

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I really do hope that all this paranormal, ghost hunting craze begins to die down, not disappear, just ease off.
You and I both know that one day we will be loose of the mortal bonds of this Earth.
Wherever I decide to hang my spiritual hat after crossing over I want to be left alone.
I don't want teens, stoners, maladjusted plumbers, psychics or mediums showing up asking questions, taking pictures, annoying me with gadgets that light up, beep, bloop or whatever and lasering me with their thermometers.
If this makes me a curmudgeonly ghost, so be it.
In this life you wouldn't walk across the street to speak, in death you won't leave me alone.
Show some respect for the departed.
Go away.

Except Ryan Buell…..his ass is mine.

Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.

11:20 am
May 21, 2009


Bobarino

Valencia, CA

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Well, in all honesty, will it be any worse then GH or GHI ?   Really?   

I've found that being AWESOME is a full time job…

11:30 am
May 21, 2009


Hannah

Texas

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posts 361

blinddog50 said:

Except Ryan Buell…..his ass is mine.


Sic'im blinddog!

1:19 pm
May 21, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

Oubliette said:

Please check it out and let me know what you think. Note how members of the team almost parrot the words of TAPS members.   I am really confused about how to take this except for the aforementioned fact that it shows how GH and other like shows are really much ado about nothing.  If kids like these can do the exact same things, and apparently just as well, it really calls into question just how difficult is it to go ghost hunting and make a show out of it?  And why the need to have classes to teach adults about the theory and practice of paranormal investigation when these youngsters appear to have gotten a good grasp of the very same things that GH does?


First, nice find and a very well written post.  Now…is it "really much ado about nothing?"  Maybe…

I'm starting to look at all the paranormal TV shows like beauty pageants.  Beauty pageants come in all flavors now, being based upon age, race, body type, even teams (mother and daughter).  To see paranormal shows, particularly ghost hunting type shows, doing the same thing is no surprise.

In fact, there has already been a kid ghost-hunting show.  I don't know much about it, can't even remember the name of it.  They would throw a camera rig on a kid (kind of like the old show "Fear"), send them into a "spooky" place and actually rate and judge how they did in certain categories.  Not sure what the prize was or not even sure what the point of the show was really.  So The Othersiders isn't even the first kid ghost hunting show.

Oubliette said "If kids like these can do the exact same things, and apparently just as well, it really calls into question just how difficult is it to go ghost hunting and make a show out of it?"  Many of us have stated that this is the allure of the ghost hunting phenomenon.  It isn't that hard.  And it's not like Jason and Grant were the first ones.  There are many older paranormal groups out there.  So why do you think J&G started?  Because it was easy and fun for them to do.  That's why any group starts.  Give me five people, some basic equipment and a website and within a week, I'll give you a paranormal investigatory team that can rival TAPS.

"And why the need to have classes to teach adults about the theory and practice of paranormal investigation when these youngsters appear to have gotten a good grasp of the very same things that GH does?"  Well, there are a couple of reasons.  First, ghost hunting is now very trendy and very "cool."  Wait a couple of years, it will pass, like most fads.  Next, it's their hobby.  People really get into their hobbies.  They want to get better at their hobby, and want to learn more about their hobby, and they want to hang out with others who also enjoy their hobby.  That's why they take the classes.  And lastly, kids are smart.  They are still in that "learning mode."  They will gobble up everything they see and read and will be able to repeat it.  

Overall, am I disappointed by the Cartoon Network?  Not really.  They're all about the money, just like any other business.  Am I disappointed by the concept of kids doing a paranormal show?  Hey, they'll be making more money than me, which is depressing, and at least it will set them up for college.  So, I'm not disappointed by the show as much as I feel drained by it.  Just starting to feel adrift in a sea of paranormal mediocrity. 

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

6:01 pm
May 21, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

Thanks for the link Oubliette.  Geeze, I'm under the weather today and find you've all covered my feelings on the subject quite well.  I agree, this is a fad which will soon go the way of the pet rock and mood rings.  Harry may have a point.  Oversaturation may well be GH's downfall in the end although I can come up with a few other scenarios that can sink it as well.  Wink  My head hurts from it all but the meds are helping!

10:01 pm
May 21, 2009


Learjet

Australia

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I'm not sure I like the impression this will give other kids. Kids will get the idea that it's cool going to abandoned buildings at night when it's downright dangerous, from unstable floors/ceilings, possible asbestos dust to stumbling upon squatters. I'm not worried about the TV kids that have a film crew with them but those they impress to do likewise on their own. 

OD'd on EMF

10:39 pm
May 21, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

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posts 1393

Learjet said:

I'm not sure I like the impression this will give other kids. Kids will get the idea that it's cool going to abandoned buildings at night when it's downright dangerous, from unstable floors/ceilings, possible asbestos dust to stumbling upon squatters. I'm not worried about the TV kids that have a film crew with them but those they impress to do likewise on their own. 


Kids have been doing incredibly stupid things at night for years.  Abandoned buildings?  As a 15 year old?  Count me in.  I'm sure my dad did as well as his dad.  My son shall do it and his son.  There's a very strong stupidity gene in the Revenant bloodline. 

Although, you bring up a point.  One day, a kid will get hurt.  His friends will say they were ghost-hunting, won't mention the beer and bottle of Wild Turkey (the real reason why they actually went), and people will cry out over it.  There will be public outrage and the works.  It's inevitable…    

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

6:05 am
May 22, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

@ Revenant and Learjet:

When I look back at all the stupid and careless things I did as a kid, I'm surprised I'm still here.  In today's climate, given different parents, these things would be the subject of lawsuits.  But good sense prevailed back then and I was shown the way just as my parents and their parents before them.  It's the nature of being a kid because you have no concept of the dangers of the world around you.  You feel you can get away with anything and you can live forever.  I was brought up in the "sticks" with tv after my chores, dinner and homework were done.  However, while it was still light outside, we were told to get out of the house  to dream and explore our world.  I miss those times and it's a shame so many kids today don't have that opportunity today.  The world is a very different place.   Now if I could go back and get on that Tarzan swing one more time and run out over that high washed out railroad bed, I'd be in heaven or at least the hospital  thinking so with good meds! Wink

12:18 pm
May 22, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

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alicat said:

You feel you can get away with anything and you can live forever.  


Wait…you mean I can't and I'm not?  Frown

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

12:22 pm
May 22, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

Okay,  Revenant, you can be a kid again!  Laughing

12:21 am
May 23, 2009


MissMissy

LA County, CA

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blinddog50 said:

Except Ryan Buell…..his ass is mine.


GET IN LINE!Wink

If the truth is out there than why haven't I found it yet?

12:25 am
May 23, 2009


MissMissy

LA County, CA

Investigator

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Learjet said:

I'm not sure I like the impression this will give other kids. Kids will get the idea that it's cool going to abandoned buildings at night when it's downright dangerous, from unstable floors/ceilings, possible asbestos dust to stumbling upon squatters. I'm not worried about the TV kids that have a film crew with them but those they impress to do likewise on their own. 


I'm 32 and even I am surprised I made it this far with all the stupid ghost dares I did as a teenager. But I can see the implications as Revenant  pointed out. One dumbass kid is going to go wandering into somewhere like Waverly or the Goldfiled Hotel in Nevada and brake their neck and all hell is going to break loose.

If the truth is out there than why haven't I found it yet?

7:22 am
May 23, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

This is exactly why police put up "No Trespassing" signs, have security guards and monitor sites like the abandoned Essex County Hospital.  Unfortunately it's a tall order because we know most people will at least try to take a "peek" and they are arresting people at record numbers. It's just so tempting and some people see "no trespassing" signs as a red flag indicating there must be something forbidden to see or experience.

What kids don't realize is that production companies must have insurance in place for any incidents that occur and that puts the burden on the directors, producers and crew to make sure nothing happens.  If it does, production can be shut down immediately and the company can be rejected for insurance in the future which can basically put the company out of business.  Kids and irresponsible adults don't think along those lines.  They are totally clueless as they are only thinking of the immediate thrill and not the consequences of their actions.

7:39 am
May 23, 2009


blinddog

Special Agent Zombie Elimination Agency

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Like Grandpappy Spot used to say, Ain't no cure for dumbass, if there was we'd all been to see the Doc at some time.

Oh!, by the way, one of Grant's paranormal theories has been confirmed by another investigator.
http://comics.com/get_fuzzy/

Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.

6:13 am
June 10, 2009


HollyDolly

Investigator

posts 194

I have to agree with what all of you are saying. I saw an add for the new reality shows at the movie theatre

yesterday when I went to see Up for my birthday.I took off from work,WOOHOO.

I'll have to get my sister to record it for me,since I'm cheap and only get basic cable,cause Time Warner wants to much for both basic and standard cable.

I think the kids might bring some enthusiasim to what they do, even if they are naive.I'm kind of on the fence with this one.

But it's a case of monkey see,monkey do,as Alicat says, and someone will get hurt.Then of course the parents will sue the producers of these shows,cause the kids were studip and tried to do what they see on tv.

While interested in the paranormal,I don't have any desire to run around cemeteries at night, or abandoned buildings.It's not just the factor of animals or humans, of whom I would be more scared of,but of what is lurking there in the dark.There are ghosts and other spirits out there,some friendly, others not so.

Look at what has happend with some of the tours of the Covenanter's Prision and Greyfriars Church Yard

in Edinburgh ,Scotland. People have been scratched, etc. by the Mackenzie Poltergeist, if it is Mackenzie .

People have been attacked when ghost hunting by ghosts or other spirits.None of these people including TAPS say any protection prayers that i ever see on tv.I know there are groups who do.

Even though many people try to approach this from a scientific angle,you still can't get away from the fact that there is also a spiritual element to this as well.I think most people want to know if there is life after death.If so, what is it like?Do we see our dead loved ones again? What do we do there in Heaven? And certainly no one wants to go to hell.

I think though the paranormal shows will reach a peak, and then die out.Spiritualism reached a peak, and while still around, has pretty much perhasp been forgotten by the general public, though you can go to places like Lilydale and a few other such towns today, founded by spiritualists.

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