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2:48 am June 2, 2011
| Revenant
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This is SyFy's latest entry into the realm of the paranormal. Half hour show and played back to back for an one hour extravaganza. Basic premise…people call upon John Zaffis to come their house, look for the "cause" of paranormal activity, he finds it (of course), removes it and places it in his "museum."
I'm not going to break down the show or their investigatory methods. I find that whenever someone uses the word "energy" and one can easily replace that word with either "magic, juju, mojo, or anything of that ilk"…I tend to shut down. I mean you just can't argue against juju….er….magic….um…negative energy. And Mr Zaffis…his leaps of logic within his "conclusions"…wow! I wouldn't really refer to them as "leaps" per se, more along the lines of needing a trebuchet to connect his points. But if anyone wants to have at it, feel free. I see it as a waste of time.
But there are two things that I did want to touch on.
I saw the promo's for the show and knew I had seen John Zaffis before, I just couldn't place him. Then I remembered:
http://www.skepticalviewer.com…..gton-arms/
That's right, he was on an episode of GA. I remembered it because it was quite odd. The three amigos were really excited to meet "the Godfather of the Paranormal." So they drive into ultra-normal looking suburbia and pull up in front of an ultra-normal looking house. The door opens and an ultra-normal looking guy opens the door and greets them. They they descend down the stairs…into his "museum." Um…now you can fix up your basement anyway that you want to. Calling your basement a museum…no matter what is down there…is…actually…kind of funny. It's kind of like a SNL skit, right? Anyway…that's where I remembered the guy from.
The other thing…the entire premise of the show. Let me use an example to illustrate:
I am a paranormal investigator. Stephen calls me and tells me that his house is really haunted. I go to his house and tell him that a ghost has most likely attached itself to an object. I shall find that object. In over a thousand cases, I have ALWAYS found the object. I begin my investigation. Lo and behold, I find the object. Knowing that I have a museum of haunted objects, Stephen is almost obligated to donate the object. I shall accept it and keep it safe. Ghost hunting…with a nice parting gift. Anyone else seeing a problem with this?
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9:10 am June 2, 2011
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And you might have also recognized him from two GH episodes back in the early days (extra points to those who can name those two episodes, they ran about 2 years before this site even existed) and from the couple links to Ideal Event Mgmt events that have been posted here through the years. Events along the lines of:
http://www.idealeventmanage.co…..vents.html
http://www.idealeventmanage.co…..vents.html
See anyone familiar?
That was one reason why I didn't bother with this particular show.
Oh, and you all DO know who his aunt and uncle are, right?
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11:10 am June 2, 2011
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Nosfer said:
Oh, and you all DO know who his aunt and uncle are, right?
Yeah…once I figured out who he was…I didn't want to mention that. At least not at first. I wanted to see if he was going to bring in the "evil entity, possession, or demon" side of things. It's odd that it's not in his bio on SyFy.
I didn't know about his tie-in's with GH though. I haven't searched anything about him really. I only remembered his "the Godfather of the Paranormal" title from GA. Hard to forget that… 
PS Please don't let Learjet watch these shows. Once he sees what these people are doing with EMF…his head is going to explode (especially the type-writer). 
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1:26 pm June 2, 2011
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Zaffis finally got on scifi (or shiny new name- syfy) after all the years of badgering?
Where he/Warrens always belonged actually, with the other paranormal pseudo-investigative crap.
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2:46 pm June 2, 2011
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Marie said:
Zaffis finally got on scifi (or shiny new name- syfy) after all the years of badgering?
Where he/Warrens always belonged actually, with the other paranormal pseudo-investigative crap.
Actually, I do find it just a touch odd. After watching the show, it is much closer to PS on A&E. And PS already has strong ties to Lorraine Warren (my all-time favorite appearance of hers on PS). So really…if one is grouping such things, I believe that Haunted Collector (HC) would find a cozier home on A&E. Fans of PS would take to it like moths to a flame. GH fans…I don't know. Hopefully….please….hopefully…not as many.
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2:54 pm June 2, 2011
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Jason tended to distance TAPS from the family during one of the episodes, although he said at the time that John was a bit different. I do recall him uttering a distinct "oh no" or words to that effect when the case manager at the time mentioned the bunch. However, with all the Events that have been going on, John is right in there on a lot of them with some prominent TAPS/GH members. How much of that is SciFi's doing as regards promoting an up and coming show?
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8:06 pm June 2, 2011
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Haunted Collector (SYFY)
- 1.444 million viewers
- 0.9/1 HH
- 0.6/2 A18-49
Right on par with the GH Pearl Harbor episode.
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8:27 pm June 2, 2011
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Holy cow, where'd you snag those numbers so quickly?
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2:27 pm June 6, 2011
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What's scarier than a haunting? Some of the comments here: http://thehauntedcollector.com…..g-property
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4:10 pm June 6, 2011
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Nosfer said:
What's scarier than a haunting? Some of the comments here: http://thehauntedcollector.com…..g-property
Looks like the whole family got involved.
@Revenant:
Yea, I saw something disturbingly wrong with the "parting gift" portion of this show. I thought it was so unethically inappropriate ("Hey! This valuable antique is haunted; but I'll get it out of here for you.") that I assumed I had misinterpreted the situation and was going to watch a few more episodes.
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5:36 pm June 6, 2011
| Revenant
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Nosfer said:
What's scarier than a haunting? Some of the comments here: http://thehauntedcollector.com…..g-property
My that Kool-Aid is sweet…
@Crow:
I know, right? Hmmm…so does he have to declare these "gifts" on his taxes? And I wonder if he claims his house under the museum tax exemption? I'm always intrigued in how the paranormal is defined, and taxed, by the government.
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7:14 pm June 6, 2011
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coming soon! Haunted Collection Auction
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9:17 pm June 8, 2011
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"My Mother's Ghost/Paranormal Predator"
I missed the first episode, but caught the second. And I swear on a case of Guinness, I called this one. After seeing his reaction to the cane-gun, I said, "THAT's what he's going to claim is causing the trouble." And I just love the reasoning:
"A cane-gun was used in a homicide in NY(?) in the 1800's, there were only a few such guns in NY at that time, this cane-gun is from that time and area…"
I'm certainly glad he didn't let the bayonet from the Vietnam War, that was used to kill and torture (his words) throw him off. No. It was clearly the rare cane-gun.
As Jed Clampett would say, "Pitiful, pi-ti-ful"
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8:29 am June 9, 2011
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The article states:
"John Zaffis never takes things without permission. In most cases, the owners insist that John take whatever-it-is. They want him to dispose of it, or put it somewhere safe, far away from where it’s been causing problems.
John Zaffis’ emphasis is on bringing peace to people, not taking anything from them."
But it makes me wonder… do the producers of the show/SyFy MAKE the owners give up the object for dramatic show purposes? As we know from Ghost Hunters, we know that they love to push that whole "we're so altruistic and caring, we do this to help the people in need." I could totally see them pushing that same mentality here.
Man, this article really worships John Zaffis (not surprising from a Haunted Collector fansite, I know.) I don't think these people are heroes. They might be decent human beings, but I don't think they measure up to real heroes. I don't see anybody throwing them a ticker-tape, Ghostbusters style parade anytime soon.
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and I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
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8:46 am June 9, 2011
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Post edited 8:47 am – June 9, 2011 by Nosfer
Sounds like there is absolutely nothing different between this show and GH except that Zaffis takes it to associating the haunting with an object. EVP sessions, EMF sweeps, "Did you hear thats?", "Children are important" Man that well has got to be coughing up sand by now.
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11:14 am June 9, 2011
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Milli said:
But it makes me wonder… do the producers of the show/SyFy MAKE the owners give up the object for dramatic show purposes? As we know from Ghost Hunters, we know that they love to push that whole "we're so altruistic and caring, we do this to help the people in need." I could totally see them pushing that same mentality here.
I don't think the producers have to. It's the beauty of the con. The "mark" is convinced that the object is evil. The object represents everything that is wrong in their lives. Immediately getting rid of the object will be a release…it will bring peace. How simple. Who doesn't want that? And that is why it's a perfect con. The mark does all the work. They WANT you to take it. And the kicker? They will literally feel great about it. They will tell their families and friends and blog about it…which helps others feel comfortable about giving away their antiques as well. Like I said…they do all the work. The producers don't have to do a thing because all of that is built into the premise/con of the show.
@ Crow - I know. And tell me that taking the three shark sets of teeth wasn't a bunch of "hey…these will look great in my museum." No…sharks eat living things and that's bad energy…so…probably the source of your paranormal activity. Really? You're being haunted by three sharks? Really? The fact that people are buying this makes me physically ill. It is just so intrinsically sad…
@Nosfer – There are definitely similarities. Yet…the main "push" of the shows are different. GH centers around using devices to produce "evidence (whatever it may turn out to be)." HC uses devices as window dressing. Whether they produce anything or not is immaterial…they are still identifying an object as "bad" and are taking it to the museum.
The other huge difference is the use of "research." GH uses their "research (as bad as it is…)" as a back-drop for their investigation. They will list specific experiences that relate to ghosts. HC…research random historic events that may relate to an object in order to cast that object in a poor light (the cane gun that Crow spoke about is the prefect example). The research has nothing to do with the house or family…it is simply old regional information. The tie-in's between the object, related (yet random) history, and the supposed paranormal activity is at best intellectually weak and at worst…highly insulting and simply ridiculous. I find this show far worse than GH…which is saying a great deal…
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12:22 pm June 9, 2011
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Post edited 12:24 pm – June 9, 2011 by Nosfer
Revenant said:
The other huge difference is the use of "research."
I'm not sure I'd say that it is a "huge" difference. First, the "research" in both cases is fairly bad and very surficial at best. So that's very similar
In HC the forumla seems to be two "research" treks. One where the gal goes and looks stuff up, and one where Zaffis goes and has the object appraised, er, finds out what the object is and some of its history, ie when it was made, who made it etc.
I don't think I'd even count the appraisal mission as research. But I will grant that it's existence in the program is different from what GH does (except in the case of clocks or things like that, which they HAVE done…Time to Get Touched for example)
When you look at the few research trips that Kris did and the ones that the HC gal does, they are not too dissimilar. As an example, looking into what happened to an uncle who was murdered or about the family that lived in a house (HC) and looking into what child might have died in a house (GH) are pretty similar. Same with looking up something about the house/area (HC) vs discovering that there are tunnels in the area that might contribute to sounds or settling (GH). The bayonet/cane research was a bit different than the others, though. However there have been enough similarities that I'd call the research a slight variation at most…so far, anyway.
The EMF around the cane and the EVP around the music box were the prime pieces of evidence in the 2nd episode. I think the only difference would be that GH would have not concentrated on doing their hand waving around the objects but in the room in general. The evidence produced from each is pretty similar…a supposed EVP and/or slight EMF spike. Both of which GH has trotted out to the client.
The big difference I see is that J&G would tell the client to take back their house and Zaffis takes their house for them, or at least a physical part of it 
Edited: One difference is the amount of investigation done with the lights ON!
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12:57 pm June 9, 2011
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It was the LAND SHARK that the little 11 yr. boy was seeing standing by his bed. That's why they had to take the shark teeth. 
Anyways, I'm with all of you. The idea that he gets some really cool things, like the cane gun from the 1870s, strikes me as rather odd. In the first episode, a cool looking typewriter from the library. These are in mint condition and antiques and the link that Nosfer put on here claims that it's worthless junk and wouldn't get a lot on eBay? Huh? Maybe some of it is, but the two objects I just mentioned would probably go for quite a lot at an auction. I am also deeply disturbed by the usage of the term "museum". Can outside people visit this place? Is the museum haunted because the items within it is haunted or do they magically lose their hauntedness when placed in his museum? Inquiring minds want to know! However, part of me is thinking that they lose it because I believe he states that he has taken the necessary precautions or something like that. Anyone remember him saying that in the first episode?
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1:09 pm June 9, 2011
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If the pieces don't lose their "juice" that museum should be a major temptest of activity. I can see the crossover now. John is concerned because:
- Of all the activity taking place in the museum, and
- That no one is visiting his musem and ticket sales are down.
What to do? Call in TAPS to help. Afterall, they would be unbiased investigators (or at least as unbiased as GHI was at the Spalding)
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