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6:53 pm August 13, 2010
| Nosfer
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Tell me these aren't cars.
The youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrnZVTzQ06Y
The light appears. Then gets really bright. Highbeams anyone? Then it gets dimmer and then you see a second somewhat redder light. Tailights of a car going in the opposite direction anyone? Light got dimmer because either the slope of the road changes so that the light isn't aimed directly at the viewing spot or because the driver dimmed highbeams because of oncoming traffic. Then another light appears…another car cresting the hill and coming toward the viewing spot.
Here's a still.
 
Here's a 2x enlargement. The red light is made of two separate smaller lights…taillights. The brighter lower light is also made of two smaller lights, headlights. The bright area infront of it is the reflection of the lights on the road.
 
Obviously I'm missing something.
Revenant said:
Let's talk about their headlight test. They took the closest spot that they could on a nearby road and couldn't emulate the light, although…the light was still seen. A few things wrong with this "experiment (and am I the only who gets queasy when they mention the word "experiment?")." First up, not all headlights are created equal, as in the height from the ground to the headlights themselves. A compact car will be different from a large sedan to a SUV to a pick-up truck and lastly to a semi-truck. To do testing on a single vehicle is not the end all and be all of testing for headlights.
Yep, not all headlights are equal and not all stretches of road are visible. They should have put those patrol cars to real use and conducted a decent "experiment" Have them drive up to Bruce's Crossing. Put their flashing-lights on, and have two of them drive down Highway 45 to where old highway 45 crosses the new highway again south of their viewing location. Not just one little section of highway.
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3:25 pm August 16, 2010
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Well, I knew we were in for a ride when our hard-hitting investigative team stopped at the souvenir shop to get the scoop.
…..just shakes head…..
Anyway, can't really add much to the discussion – great recap, by the way, Nosfer. Someone already mentioned it; but as long as you've got the plane, why not fly around and look for the cotton-picken' light. Also, a BIG red flag went up when the police dept was willing to shut down a portion of the highway for this non-sense.
Excuse me, but E…….V……..Ps??????????
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4:36 pm August 16, 2010
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I made the mistake before of calling this show 'Fact or Fiction'.
From now on I'm going to call it 'Faked or Fiction'.
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5:36 pm August 16, 2010
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There's something about the Rollover investigation I didn't understand. After determining that ghost children didn't push the car and bus, due to the lack of little ghost children fingerprints (must take a lot of ghostly energy to reproduce all of those fingerprint loops and whorls), they wondered if the vehicles could have been pulled. They went to the other side of the tracks and took an EMF reading?
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5:42 pm August 16, 2010
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Yeah, everyone knows that what they should have done was to dust the FRONT of the car if they suspected the children were pulling it!
And come on, the car is parked 100 some feet from the tracks…how stupid are these kids if they think the car is in danger there if its not moving. So what do they do, they push the car into the potential path of the train. Someone flunked Rocket Science 101.
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1:53 pm August 17, 2010
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Not if they were pulling with ghost rope….
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3:06 am August 18, 2010
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Nosfer said:
Tell me these aren't cars.
I would but…. I agree with you and I think they're cars also. If they would have bothered to take a high powered telescope to the location they would have confirmed that I'm sure.
As Ghost Hunters say, on to the next!
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8:28 pm August 18, 2010
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This show is the dump bin for the rest of the paranormal shows that SyFy handles. J&G have their shadows and questionable events, Josh has random monsters and out of the way places…and FoF scraps by with "ghost children pushing cars" and a very time specific and goal oriented 'ghost' light. The next show on SyFy is going to involve a cult busting group who battles the Devil one on one with broadswords just you watch. Oh..and there's going to be a guest appearance by Barry Fitzgerald explaining how the Devil made him spill his Starbucks once.
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9:33 pm August 22, 2010
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This show has been more disappointing then any of the paranormal shows, and this particular episode is the worst ever.
They drive their ATV to " where the light is coming from " – just how did they figure where it was coming from ? Did they ever think to shine their 25 million candlepower light back towards the base ?
Cars roll on their own and the first thing they don't think of is to check if the road is not going downslope, but do a test to see if heavier vehicles will roll uphill faster … where did they pull that from ?
This show has become a parody of itself.
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4:37 am August 23, 2010
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The only reason I started watching this show is Jael. I admit it. I'm such a cad!
Now I find that it is the "only" reason I watch it. Pathetic. The asian girl is sort of cute too.
Now to the basics which won't take long. It was apperant that they were stretching a 10 minute episode into an hour episode because as many of you said, the San Antonio Railroad track incident has already been debunked years ago and if these people have been in the investigation field for even the shortest of times, they would already know this.
This show is a scam and this episode proves it. Why would they dismiss all the other cases presented at the beginning of the show to investigate one they already know has been debunked, and then claim, they are the ones to have debunked it? They should bury their faces in their hands in shame.
I found the show about the lights sort of fascinating and it was obvious they were just going through the motions. You can't say they were honestly trying to figure out what was going on. I'm positive any one of us on SV would have done a thousand times better job than they did. I think some money changed hands to keep the mystery going.
Okay. I have vented my speen. Thanks.
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6:50 am August 23, 2010
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Dr. Herbert West said:
I'm positive any one of us on SV would have done a thousand times better job than they did. I think some money changed hands to keep the mystery going.
Okay. I have vented my speen. Thanks.
Vent noted :) (We're all doing a bit of that lately at this show!) So far SV HAS done about a thousand times better than they have, and none of us have had to go anywhere to do it, either. I think you're right about the "keep the mystery going" thing, especially in this economy when there is a gift shop involved.
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5:25 pm August 23, 2010
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Dr. Herbert West said:
The only reason I started watching this show is Jael. I admit it. I'm such a cad!
Hey, that's a good enough reason. Jael is the sugar that makes the medicine of bad science go down a little easier.
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2:04 pm September 24, 2010
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I'm not saying that the Pauling lights couldn't be a tall lamppost or car headlights, but why do the lights only show up for a while around dusk? Does the lamppost go out after about an hour, or does the road get shut down an hour after dusk? Most street lamps I've seen are on all night, and even small highways don't have an hour window of operation. I'm sure there is some rational explanation, but the street light and headlight arguments seem a bit weak.
As for the train tracks, what a waste of time. There are "gravity hills" all over the place. All you need is to throw down a carpenter's balance to see how it's actually tilted. The couple I've been on really do like you're going uphill, though. Really neat effect.
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2:40 pm September 24, 2010
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Has it ever been definitively stated that they ONLY appear around dusk, or just that they appear around dusk…and then continue into the night.
Take a look at the photos on the first post on this page. Those are, without doubt, car headlights and taillights.
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6:24 am September 27, 2010
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You know,since they were in Texas, the could have checked out the Big Thicket Light in east Texas.National Geographic years ago back in the 1980s had an article on the Big Thicket and even a photo of the light.
There is also the Marfa Lights out west,and various other such lights in othere parts of the country like up in Arkansas.The Marfa Lights have been seen for a 100 years or more, long before automobiles came around.Never really heard of the Paulding Light.
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9:29 am September 29, 2010
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Nosfer said:
Has it ever been definitively stated that they ONLY appear around dusk, or just that they appear around dusk…and then continue into the night.
Take a look at the photos on the first post on this page. Those are, without doubt, car headlights and taillights.
From what I remember, the lights show up at around dusk or up to an hour later, and then last for varying amounts of time (something like 15 minutes to an hour). Yes, that does look like car lights.
My question is still why only right around dusk for a limited time? There is a valley in front of the lights, so maybe a thermal inversion that causes some thermal & optical effect for only a short while? With the proper refractive properties, that could explain why the 2 people couldn't see the lights when they drove closer (like optic fiber, the light bounces of the boundries (the spotting site and the light source do seem to be about the same elevation on each side of the balley).
I'd just like to know why this happens daily at a small window of time.
Know what would be really fun? It's some alien frat-boy initiation, and they're just continually laughing at us as they drink Jupiter Beer (probing optional)!
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9:37 am September 29, 2010
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http://www.michigansotherside.com/Articles/The_Paulding_Light.htm
Just as an example. This fellow says the light comes and goes all night. The FS sign says that it appears each evening…but does not specify ONLY in the evening.
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2:19 am September 30, 2010
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I have been interested in the Paulding Light but it has been debunked numerous times, dating back to 1986. Here is a video that gives you an idea of how its set up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu8W3s22bCk&feature=related
Basically its headlights coming from 7 miles away. Or more precisley 6.1 miles away when your at the lookout. When you go toward the light you go down hill which takes you out of the vantage point. This is the only hill that connects eye level with the highway that far off. One researcher went and sat the highway while his wife waited at the vantage point. Everytime a car would go by he said they would take at least a minute or more to get by and the whole time there was a light back at the vantage point. People go on and on about how it cannot be car lights because of the intensity and such but these same people don't really know anything about the laws of light so to speak. Just when you think buisness has died down for the ice cream store that sells souiveneres, here comes FoF and botches the experiment and says its unexplainable. If you don't want to do the 2 person test then all you really need is just a telescope, thats how most have found out the truth about this light. Also note that the first ever documented report of the light happene din 1966, a few years after HWY 45 was rerouted to where it is now and it was reported by drunk teenagers. Ever since then its been a "phenomena" and now it has supposidly been there for over 100 years. Funny thing is they keep going on about a brakemans ghost but that area seems way to steep to ever of had train tracks running through it.
Also I have noticed a trend. At first all the believers said you can't see car lights from that spot. Then when all the evidence came out that you can, they said oh yeah you can see headlights but there not the Paulding Light, you can tell the difference they said. Then after a lot of reports came out debunking the light as headlights, the believers come out and say "oh well the REAL light has not been seen in over 3 years!". If you go to the vantage point during the day you can actually watch traffic flow through the trees in the exact spot where the light occurs at.
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6:38 am September 30, 2010
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Ghaleon said:
If you don't want to do the 2 person test then all you really need is just a telescope, thats how most have found out the truth about this light.
Or to save a lot of travel money and time (and the cost of a telescope if you don't own one), just zoom in on the video and you'll see the individual headlights/taillights resolve as I did above. Would have been very evident in the video FoF had that got them excited in the first place. But, then, if they examined videos closely before jumping on them, we wouldn't get to see Austin's four-wheeler-foray as he tries to morph into a spider lol
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