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1:48 pm
August 6, 2010
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Revenant
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The premise of the show is showing a video clip from the net and trying to prove whether it is true (a fact) or faked. Ok. I have video that I believe is fake. Can I prove it? Maybe. Let's see.
Jump over to SyFy and pull up the "Off The Deep End/Houseguest" episode. The show begins in the "situation room" at 10:12 a.m.. They have their meeting and at 9:40 into the video, they pack up and leave.
Then jump over to the latest episode of "Predator/Red Sky At Night." This show begins in the "situation room" at 12:47 p.m.. Notice anything about this meeting and the last meeting? Like…all them are wearing the same exact clothes as the previous episode? So this meeting ends and again, they pack up and head for the door.
I have no problem with "TV magic." I also fully realize that shows probably tape certain types of segments at the same time since everything is set up and it just saves money. No problem with that with either. But, to stay true to the "theme" of the show… when we see them packing up to leave in "Off The Deep End"…it, technically, is faked.
Just having a bit of fun… 
(Oh…and what did we learn? If we ever get our own TV show…bring a change of clothing for "situation room" segments…  )
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1:56 pm
August 6, 2010
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CrowTRobot
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(Oh…and what did we learn? If we ever get our own TV show…bring a change of clothing for "situation room" segments… )
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…or make sure those pesky Skepitcal Viewer people aren't watching.
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4:13 pm
August 6, 2010
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Nosfer
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You know, I'm really not sure where I lean on this one. It's definitely showing something in a way in which it didn't happen. Will have to keep an eye on the next ones in the beginning to see how they are dressed. I wonder if they filmed ALL the screening for the season at the same time. I really have no problem with that, but as you say, them leaving is not quite as it really is. Is this better or worse or the same as the plumbing schticks we see on GH? It's probably at about the same level but these things add up.
If they were wearing the same clothes when they gave their recap at the end I'd be jumping up and down and screaming like I was last night :) If the show wants to be taken seriously, though, they should either be up front about the screening/intro. I wouldn't have any problem if they came on and said they screened and determined the 12 videos/photos in one setting. In a show like this, credibility is important, and if you can't believe the little things, can you believe the other things? Now, given some of the insaneness we saw in last night's video, this is like giving singling out Capone for jaywalking lol but it just adds to the list.
After last night I have no faith in these guys. To go a bit further on what Crow said, maybe these shows should let us screen their program before it airs, they could present a lot more solid case once we corrected all the problems…course they might not be left with anything to air…. lol
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12:55 am
August 10, 2010
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Revenant
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@ Crow – Yes…collectively, I don't think the SV members miss very much. It's almost like we're pulling a Scooby-Doo ending on many of these shows. The only difference, I think the people on these paranormal shows would have a few more colorful names for us beyond "…those meddling kids." 
Nosfer said: "In a show like this, credibility is important, and if you can't believe the little things, can you believe the other things? Now, given some of the insaneness we saw in last night's video, this is like giving singling out Capone for jaywalking lol but it just adds to the list,"
I know what you mean. I've never been too up in arms over GH's plumbing scenes, or DT's showing wrong road signs during the "journey montage" or even this thing with FoF. If the shows were more serious…then yes, it would bother me. But…we've seen such craziness with these shows; GH talking cold spots near a huge chunk of ice, Zak getting posessed, DT's "attack in the circle of death" and now FoF's "cat/boar hybrid." I mean the hits just keep rolling…
In any event, the last thing that I want to do is to become the "fashion police" for FoF. But…*sighs* it is something that we'll have to keep our eye on now. As if lake monsters in man-made lakes and cat/boar hybrids aren't enough…
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6:31 am
August 10, 2010
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Nosfer
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It really IS tricky as far as just what do we "allow to slip by" Road signs, plumbing scenes, same clothes for the discussion, same clothes when S&T are reviewing evidence (not something they're going to do in one sitting)
Each by itself might be minimal, but it does all point to "what you see is not what is happening." At some point it's the same as them saying "Yeah, we made this up, and we made that up over there, and we just spliced this in from an episode three weeks ago, but this…this amazing shot here…this here was totally real!"
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7:53 pm
August 11, 2010
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I wonder if the "situation room" sequences are filmed after the investigations are filmed. It seems to make more sense to do it that way. Get all of the investigations filmed. If more investigations are filmed than actually aired, the best ones are chosen. So far there have been two per episode, so they need to be paired in a balanced way. A cryptozoology segment with a UFO segment. A ghost investigation with a UFO segment, etc. I haven't noticed if each segment is exactly a half-hour. But if not, a 40 minute segment would have to be paired with one of twenty minutes. So all this is planned out and then the situation room segments are filmed. It's all contrived because they already know what they're going to choose. Each team member gets a chance to have his or her idea "chosen" to keep things balanced.
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12:10 am
August 12, 2010
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Revenant
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Very interesting, Kevin. Very interesting indeed. I hadn't thought along those lines. Hmmm…
Kevin said: "I wonder if the "situation room" sequences are filmed after the investigations are filmed."
The "situation room" sequences are inherently odd and somewhat unique among the paranormal shows. The other shows may discuss where they are going to go, but they generally do not throw out five or so options and "choose" the best two. When viewing the show, it seemed a bit "hokey" to me that they did this since they already know which ones have been chosen. So, technically…that aspect of the show might be considered "fake" as well. However, it never occurred to me that it is quite possible that they could be filming these situation room sequences after the investigations.
First and foremost, I do not know how we could prove that. Without a member of the production team coming forth with such information…I just don't see how we could prove it by just watching the TV show. Hmmm…you know… *one can actually see the lightbulb above Revenant's head *…there is a way. If a person on the show changes something about themselves (broken arm, hair-cut…something physical) and the change is seen in both the opening sequence and the recap sequence, but not in the investigation itself…then we might have something there. But it would need to be fairly obvious. Then again…they did just wear the same clothes in two opening sequences…so anything is possible at this point…
The second thing…is it a big deal? I mean we're all aware of "TV magic" and how reality shows may film out of sequence. But then, we start running into what Nosfer said in Post 5 about "this isn't real, that isn't real, but this is" sort of a thing. And he's right. It becomes a slippery slope.
I guess all that we can do is…do what we always do; critically examine what we are seeing. Is what we are seeing true? And if not, why isn't it true?
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11:12 pm
August 12, 2010
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Revenant
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Ok…I came in late, I didn't record it and the current show isn't up yet at SyFy. But…were they wearing the same clothes AGAIN in the "sitiuation room" to begin the show? I just caught a glimpse of it. If no one else does, I'll try to verify it when the episode becomes available at SyFy.
EDIT: Ask and thou shall receive…
SyFy just put the episode up so I was able to check it out. And…yes, same clothes. Although…the time is sandwiched in between last weeks' episode and the one before that. So…it now looks like this:
Off the Deep End/Houseguest – Situation Room starts at 10:12 a.m.. They pack up to leave.
Predator/Red Sky At Night – Situation Room starts at 12:47 p.m.. They are wearing the same clothes. They pack up to leave.
Blazing Horizon/Rollover – Situation Room starts at 11:34 a.m.. They are wearing the same clothes. They pack up to leave.
Hmmm…I've just never seen anything like this before. So odd…
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