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6:07 am July 16, 2010
| Learjet
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Anyone catch this new show on SyFy? Jael from DT is in the cast and it has the look of DT to it.
This episode they examine some popular videos and try to find explanations for them. The first is the "ghost car", the one that seems to go through the fence while in pursuit by police.
With the second they examine the Arizona lights video and catch something of their own in the process. They say it can't be a satellite because it changes direction, but what I see on the video could very well be two satellites going in opposite directions. It happens. I have some of my own video of satellites doing that.
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6:39 am July 16, 2010
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On a scale of 1 to ten, I would give the show a 6.
The 'Ghost Car' had been db'ed a long time ago. Old news.
The ufo's? It's Arizona. Probably illegals crossing the border using weather balloons.
With the show being on SyFy I wonder if they'll check on the overwhelming paranormal evidence accumulated over the past 22 seasons of GH.
Probably not.
Don't even get me started about 'Mary Knows Best'.
Even when the Roman civilization fell they didn't have watch this crap.
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9:54 am July 16, 2010
| Revenant
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I agree with BD. I saw the "Ghost Car" thing too a while back. I was going to post about it here, but…I didn't see a point. A car drove under a fence. I'm not really sure how many people actually considered the paranormal aspect.
As for the lights in Arizona, I did object to Jael's determination of the area being a "hotbed for paranormal activity" because of what the team had experienced. Just because they could not explain it, it does not automatically jump into paranormal.
Check out this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastest_aircraft
Notice the bottom entry. The current record for the fastest air breathing manned aircraft is the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird. That record was set back in 1976 by a plane that is now discontinued and has never been officially replaced. Let's consider that for just a moment. So…in 34 years, the US Military hasn't broken that record. Really? And the US Military hasn't replaced our fastest spy plane…in 34 years…really?
Now…which is more likely? People are seeing space craft from an alien world flying at night? Or…people are seeing highly classified military aircraft capable of at least Mach 3 and probably much faster?
Sure, I want them to be aliens too. But…it's seems a bit more logical to me that the Blackbird has been replaced by at least one aircraft, if not more, and part of the deal about being a spy plane is people really not knowing about it or its capabilities.
And then I'm sure there are all kinds of highly classified unmanned drones being tested as well.
So again…I am disheartened when people automatically jump to the "paranormal/alien" explanation for Unidentified Flying Objects. There could be very rational explanations for things. I mean, remember this one? How many "UFO cases" are based on this?
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10:05 am July 16, 2010
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Hoping to catch it. Is it available online anywhere?
I'm starting to think that I'm going to have to grit my teeth and find a way of getting SyFy.
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12:14 pm July 16, 2010
| darkeyes
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I don’t see this show lasting too long simply because I believe the masses would rather watch a more entertainment based paranormal show like Ghost Hunters or Most Haunted. Still, I didn’t think it was all bad, it was fun watching the different videos presented. I would hold more respect for them if they didn’t classify something as paranormal simply because they can’t find another explanation. True skeptics would only say they were unable to find an explanation for whatever evidence they were investigating. But to say something is paranormal is giving an explanation in itself. Ah well, at least I have a something to watch on Thursdays again.
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7:10 pm July 16, 2010
| Learjet
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@ Revenant. Or…people are seeing highly classified military aircraft capable of at least Mach 3 and probably much faster?
I would have thought there would have been a telltale sonic boom. This is why I'm thinking it's a spacecraft or satellite/s / space junk, since they said it was silent…… although just reviewing it again they said they hear a "low humming noise and a thump". May be related, maybe not.
The fella that's looking at the monitors says he's got something – "it's definitely not a star, it's going up and down back and forth." That's not what they show us. We simply see a point of light moving in a straight line. I don't see any "zigzag" either.
And what's with the metal detector? Are there mines in them there hills?
Just because they could not explain it, it does not automatically jump into paranormal.
Agree there. It's a bit silly isn't it. " Gee I don't know what that is – gotta be paranormal! "
@ Stephen. Is it available online anywhere?
That's how I get to see it, since I live on Mars. But I don't think my sources are legit lol (P2P).
You've probably all noticed the sloppy editing between the laser and balloon experiments. One minute the Sun is below the horizon, the next it's up and casting harsh shadows on their faces.
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12:35 am July 17, 2010
| Revenant
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Learjet said: "I would have thought there would have been a telltale sonic boom. This is why I'm thinking it's a spacecraft or satellite/s / space junk, since they said it was silent…… although just reviewing it again they said they hear a "low humming noise and a thump". May be related, maybe not."
Well, a few things on that. First, there have been rumors for years about not only secret supersonic aircraft but hypersonic aircraft. We're talking over Mach 5.4 at this point. IF…something like that existed…what would an engine capable of that sound like? No idea. Two…there have been legimate complaints of "air quakes" and such in several states. Are they normal supersonic jets or something faster? No idea. Lastly, they are by mountains. I live on the west side of Denver near the mountains. Various aircraft take the mountains south to, most likely, the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. With various weather conditions, some aircraft sound unbelievably weird as they fly by. Other times, you can hear an odd muffled sound. So…could the three investigators actually hear a "sonic boom" from their location at that time if the craft (man-made) was behind the mountains? Again…no idea. But…just because they couldn't hear it, it doesn't mean that there wasn't a sonic boom.
LLearjet also asked: "And what's with the metal detector? Are there mines in them there hills?"
Yeah…excellent catch. I too thought that was odd. The "lead scientist" (their term, not mine) mentioned something about flares (I'm assuming military-grade flares) and then said something about looking for "trace evidence." Did he mean looking for trace evidence of flares using a metal detector at night? And if not…trace evidence of what? Overall, just plain…weird…
Synnamin finally "de-lurked" in another thread and asked a couple of questions: "I wasn't entirely convinced by the glass test for the flickering lights, as if it were faked by lasers, why did they 1) use a more powerful green laser, rather than a common red one and 2) not use the most likely pane of glass available – a car windshield?"
Why the green laser over the red laser? Good question. I too would have liked to have seen them use a red one, yet…it could be something as innocent as that they just happen to have a green laser and not a red one…and just went with it. I can see that. If anyone can state a reason why one color would be "better" for some reason in this particular experiment, I'd like to hear it.
As for using the windshield…I can definitely see where you were going with that. I'm thinking that this is the reason; the actual video tape, at one point (and perhaps not shown on TV) either starts pointing up towards the sky or down towards the ground. This would be significant as in proving that the video was not taken in a car. So…one could assume that the individual was standing outside of the car, hence just using a large pane of glass ( if hoaxing in this manner).
However…if one could somehow easily remove the windshield from the car…then it becames a different experiment entirely since a windshield is not just a simple piece of glass. We're now talking "laminated glass" or safety glass which is two or more layers of glass sandwiched with polyvinyl butyral. That is what causes your windshield to "spider-web" when hit by an object instead of just shattering. How would a green or red laser appear on that and video-taped in comparison to plain glass? Again…absolutely no information on that.
Lastly, Sinnamin…welcome to the site, glad that you "de-lurked" and hope that you feel better. 
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6:50 am July 17, 2010
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Stephen, go to our good friends at http://www.hulu.com and type in Fact or Faked in the search window.
They have it there.
synnamin, welcome to the asylum.
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10:17 am July 17, 2010
| Nosfer
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Revenant said:
Notice the bottom entry. The current record for the fastest air breathing manned aircraft is the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird. That record was set back in 1976 by a plane that is now discontinued and has never been officially replaced. Let's consider that for just a moment. So…in 34 years, the US Military hasn't broken that record. Really? And the US Military hasn't replaced our fastest spy plane…in 34 years…really?
Well, it's not necessarily about speed when it comes to spy planes. The SR-71 was retired in the late 90s but an even older bird is STILL flying quite well doing it's mission and much slower speeds (TR-1 / U-2). The boom is a detriment for stealthy flight :)
Stealth has superseded speed in the area of development needs.
Edited: I might add that in the area of recon/intel–drones and satellites is "where it's at" not manned fixed-wing craft.
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8:56 pm July 17, 2010
| Learjet
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One of the problems used to be with spy satellites is that you have to wait for a pass to get up to date pictures, unless you have a small constellation of them which make multiple passes per day. Which I suppose they do by now.
Then there's the X-37 (USA 212). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37
If you're keen you can track the military satellites here. http://www.n2yo.com/satellites/?c=30
So hard to keep secrets these days lol.
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4:16 pm July 22, 2010
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Finally watching this.
"We're in Savannah, one of the most haunted cities in America" (or words to that effect)
Well, so much for objectivity. They've acknowledged, without proof, hauntings.
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9:08 pm July 22, 2010
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Nosfer said:
Finally watching this.
"We're in Savannah, one of the most haunted cities in America" (or words to that effect)
Well, so much for objectivity. They've acknowledged, without proof, hauntings.
I'll chalk that up more to "product placement" – they may get free or cut rate rooms and such from the Savannah tourist bureau that uses that wording.
But – you're right, I would like to know their opinion if they believe ANY specific ghosts are known to exist, and if so perhaps they can visit there and record some proof.
I'm impressed that they seem to have no problem showing how the UFO lights might have been faked, presumably calling the guy who lent them the camera a liar and fraud.
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10:41 am July 23, 2010
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They did couch the lights explanation a bit by saying that they couldn't quite get it to work, though. Perhaps that was some sort of nod to him, but I bet with a bit of practice they could have done it so I'm glad they showed it as an alternate possibility.
Tourism board giving them cut rates or something is definitely a possibility, didn't think of that one. I know Savannah has a lot of "ghost tours" and the like so that could really come down to economics.
I do see a leaning toward "belief" from many of the members and I really have no problem with that as long as they continue to examine things they way they have. Maybe a few adjustments could be done, but that's always the case. There's really nothing wrong with "belief" as in "belief in the possibility" In fact, I think it's a requirement because it goes both ways. The issue I have is that they seem to lean that way a little too quickly at times.
Regarding the "zigzagging" lights, now that I've seen it, I wouldn't rule out a plane and I can't say for sure that what I saw was moving at a speed that would even produce a sonic boom. I'd put "otherworldly craft" quite a ways down on the list of possible explanations.
I didn't see the zigzag either, it did appear closer on the left-right pass than on the right-left pass so it could have been the same object just making a turn off camera. Making a tight turn would probably be done at a lower speed, thus the lack of a boom, too. If the object was downwind there may not have been much audio of it.
No activity at the airbase? Well, I think we all know that it's a high liklihood that an airbase just might not wish to give out operational information.
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11:11 am July 28, 2010
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I saw this. I really wanted to like it. I liked the idea of critiquing some youtube videos. But….
Too much time spent on each topic. Eliminate the time waste (having the ghost car jump over the fence using a pile of dirt that wasn't even there during the original chase) and making sure everyone gets their 'face-time' on camera (A makes a statement, cut to B who agrees, cut to C who nods, cut back to B who looks perplexed, then cut back to A who does something, cut back to B who watches A…). Eliminate that and they could probably do a third video.
I changed the channel at commercial break after the car jumped over the fence; so I just now took the hulu link and caught the rest of it. I don't know. I'll watch it again, but I'm afraid it just isn't going to keep my interest.
Oh yea, the whole, "…hotbed of paranormal activity" and "…breathes new life into the notion that there is ufo activity over Phoenix" ……………….please.
EDIT: Oh, and I think something was said about planes not flying that time of night; well, if I'm not mistaken, FedEx flies between midnight and 6:00 am so there are planes throughout the night. And I'm guessing that an airport the size of Phoenix has a small FedEx hub.
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12:14 pm July 28, 2010
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So far the Hot bed of UFO activity in Arizona has had rational explanations and been widely reported found this link of many out there http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/080423-bad-phoenix-lights.html Also while in the desert he was saying there was a humming sound, I didn't here any humming did you? Was there any Power lines in the area? The lights I saw were in a very straight line like someone had set up a line with some lights on it turing them on and off.
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12:41 pm July 28, 2010
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The lights seemed to be arranged at one point in a fashion _similar_ to a V, although I'm going from memory and have seen quite a bit of Arizona lights footage.
I just checked kayak about commercial flights as well going out of Sky Harbor to New York for example and just to NY they take off quite regularly well into the evening…until 1am in fact. I don't think I have this episode saved, but the lights were when there was still twilight, so probably not too long after sunset. There was a lull until about 5am for NY flights. I don't recall what time it was the "zigzaggin' UFO was seen, though.
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2:02 am October 1, 2010
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blinddog said:
Don't even get me started about 'Mary Knows Best'. Even when the Roman civilization fell they didn't have watch this crap.
Whats even worse is that now there is a paranormal show in development starring Billy Ray Cyrus and his son. Go figure.
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12:33 am October 8, 2010
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We all know that the "ghost car" was debunked awhile back but I found something interesting. It seems that the event actually happened in Garden City, Long Island but the FoF crew went to Savannah Georgia to do the case and talk to the officer who was involved in the situation. Was the source material wrong in the location of this event or did the FoF crew just plan to set up their own version of everything and forgot the right location to tell that it is at?
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7:00 am October 8, 2010
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Well, you know the FoF motto:
"Yeah, I know I lost my backpack over in that dark alley, but I'm looking for it here under the streetlamp because there's more light."
If you can trust the text on the screen (not saying you can, not saying you can't but I'd lean toward saying you can) then it was Garden City. Note "GARDCITYPD" in upper left:
http://www.youtube.com/v/XSLBtm__aKw&hl=en&fs=1
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