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6:32 am
March 12, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

Thanks for posting, Frank!  You have given some very interesting information that gives skeptics something to think about.

Regarding the show, I was immediately put off by the promos linking Moon's box to Thomas Edison's supposed efforts to develop a device to talk to the dead.  That is an urban legend, nothing more, and it upset me that the show's producers either didn't do their homework (Edison had said this to a reporter as a joke and the legend spread quickly, as most of them do) or were deliberately boosting up their preview to entice viewers.  I realize they want to advertise a show as much as they can, but relating a proven untruth as though it were true–well, that's just wrong.

Throughout the years I have heard evps from various shows that seem to be calling the questioner by name.  This is a crazy thought, but it occurred to me that somehow (and I don't even know if it is possible) a researcher was able to reach say, a ham radio operator, who could not only answer, but also listen to, the conversation on the other end of the line, so to speak.  He or she might then decide to have a little fun with the investigator.

I'm not doubting what you are saying and it does sound very interesting, but as always I'm looking for rational explanations.  There's still no definitive proof that "spirits" exist.  Note that I make a differentiation between "spirits" and "hauntings", and have had my own experiences that to this day I can't explain.  So my mind is far from closed.

Again, welcome to our board.  We aren't "nasty" here and there are some great people who are very knowledgeable and enjoy a good debate and discussion.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

5:58 pm
March 12, 2009


FrankTheGreat

Investigator in Training

posts 3

Oubliette said:

Thanks for posting, Frank!  You have given some very interesting information that gives skeptics something to think about.

Regarding the show, I was immediately put off by the promos linking Moon's box to Thomas Edison's supposed efforts to develop a device to talk to the dead.  That is an urban legend, nothing more, and it upset me that the show's producers either didn't do their homework (Edison had said this to a reporter as a joke and the legend spread quickly, as most of them do) or were deliberately boosting up their preview to entice viewers.  I realize they want to advertise a show as much as they can, but relating a proven untruth as though it were true–well, that's just wrong.

Throughout the years I have heard evps from various shows that seem to be calling the questioner by name.  This is a crazy thought, but it occurred to me that somehow (and I don't even know if it is possible) a researcher was able to reach say, a ham radio operator, who could not only answer, but also listen to, the conversation on the other end of the line, so to speak.  He or she might then decide to have a little fun with the investigator.

I'm not doubting what you are saying and it does sound very interesting, but as always I'm looking for rational explanations.  There's still no definitive proof that "spirits" exist.  Note that I make a differentiation between "spirits" and "hauntings", and have had my own experiences that to this day I can't explain.  So my mind is far from closed.

Again, welcome to our board.  We aren't "nasty" here and there are some great people who are very knowledgeable and enjoy a good debate and discussion.


Thanks! I can understand the questioning. I'm not real sure what talks either. I did know a guy that blew his brains out, and some days later he came to me in spirit wanting to talk though me to his wife. I couldn't see see, nor hear the guy, I only knew there was a presence, it was this guy, and I knew what he wanted. I was unprepared for this, and did not allow any communication.

 Granted, with the boxes, and older EVP methods there probably is a possiblity of getting stray radio broadcasts, but what about the computer program EVPmaker? It functions much the same as my boxes in that it provides the raw audio, however, the entities manipulate the audio inside the computer! They would have to be manipulating bits of data, and how the hell could anything know what it would sound like?

 I'll have to get my site back together so I can put up some examples.

 Frank

10:13 pm
March 12, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

Frank,

You say that you must put you site back together and add some examples.  Is this the site that you are refering to?

http://franks-boxes.com/

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

3:30 am
March 13, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Tell me if I have understood the concept correctly.

You take a radio receiver, let it scan or sweep the band without stopping or locking onto stations so you get snippets of music, voices from announcers, static etc, mix the hotchpotch with white noise, record it onto a tape recorder which on playback turns into spirit voices?

You see to a skeptic this sounds like three fold mis-use of equipment. One is to snippet scan a radio broadcast for incomplete, partial or random words/sounds. Two is to blur it with white noise which raises the chances of hearing the words as something else. Three increases the possibility of mishearing, or possibly hearing what we want to hear by recording degradation.

But then with most ghost hunting equipment this is the desired result. The uncertainty factor.

I also have a problem with selective spirit manipulation of computers. Here's an idea, place a computer down on the desk, open up word pad or some similar program, and tell them to start typing! If they can manipulate certain aspects of the PC surely they can make words appear on the screen?

OD'd on EMF

4:11 am
March 13, 2009


bullerspoke

Sweden

Investigator

posts 101

Learjet: It's interesting you bring up the point with using a word processor on a computer as a means of communicating. It has always bugged me slightly that they never try that. It requires little force, no technical skill, no knowledge except recognizing the letters as far as the ghosts are concerned. And even if they don't read or write, they might be curious and press random letters, or accidently press them. Hell, if they can throw bricks or pull collars they can press down keys on a keyboard. :)

I have an old, electric typewriter that I have been thinking of doing that experiment with, but as far as I know I have no ghosts around where I live. I did set it up once and left it on for a couple of nights just for fun, but nothing happened. I might revisit that once I get around to designing a reasonable experiment, or if I should get indications of having ghosts around.

When in doubt… figure it out!

7:15 am
March 13, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

bullerspoke said:

…if they can throw bricks or pull collars they can press down keys on a keyboard. :)


With an electric typewriter or computer they don't even need to do that. The ghosties just need to close a tiny circuit, like they do so well with flashlight switches! That's all a keyboard is, a bunch of switches.

OD'd on EMF

2:28 pm
March 14, 2009


FrankTheGreat

Investigator in Training

posts 3

Learjet said:

Tell me if I have understood the concept correctly.

You take a radio receiver, let it scan or sweep the band without stopping or locking onto stations so you get snippets of music, voices from announcers, static etc, mix the hotchpotch with white noise, record it onto a tape recorder which on playback turns into spirit voices?

You see to a skeptic this sounds like three fold mis-use of equipment. One is to snippet scan a radio broadcast for incomplete, partial or random words/sounds. Two is to blur it with white noise which raises the chances of hearing the words as something else. Three increases the possibility of mishearing, or possibly hearing what we want to hear by recording degradation.

But then with most ghost hunting equipment this is the desired result. The uncertainty factor.

I also have a problem with selective spirit manipulation of computers. Here's an idea, place a computer down on the desk, open up word pad or some similar program, and tell them to start typing! If they can manipulate certain aspects of the PC surely they can make words appear on the screen?

 Not quite, I don't mix  the radio noise with anything. the sound from sweeping the raddio across it's tuning range is what the entities use to form voices–at least that's how I think it works.

 I do have a site up with some examples and schematics. What's not shown in the schematics is the radio tuner, as I use different ones, my favorite, othe ones wiht he best audio are the Radio Shack Arm Band radio, and the Radio Shack #12-469, I use both with the control, or processor board removced so I can sweep the tuning wiht an external voltage. http://purplealiengirl.tripod.com

 I get too much in between station noise in home made radios, which almost wipes out the broadcast portions.so I rely on store bought radios, and sometims tuner modules from digital car stereos, but these tend to too noisy as well.

 There is a researcher here in Colorado, Mark Macy of World  ITC (worlditc.org) that claims to have gotten messages from computers. printers and telephones.  He may have been only associated wiht a group that claims these contacts, I'm not sure.

 Presonally, being an old ham operator, I prefer radio, that's what keeps me intrigued with this stuff.

 Granted, even after almost ten years of this mind numbing stuff, I still mis hear, or imagine some stuff, it's unavoidable. There's is the problem that valid ghost voices kind of pop into the audio form the swept radio, they are phrases that have meaning, and you would not expect to find in the sweep if it was normal radio reception. They tend be spoken even as the sweep contiues.  I put an example on my site, on the "recent voices" page, from last weekend. Unedited, and unseperated from the radio sweep. Normally, when I share the voices on-line, I seperate them out, but usually do not filterier, or use noise reduction.

 Frank


6:32 pm
March 14, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Frank, before I make comment I would like to hear the first unedited audio file on your site. Unfortunately I'm having trouble playing this one. The file seems to be corrupted?

OD'd on EMF

7:30 am
April 13, 2009


HollyDolly

Investigator

posts 194

Oubliette said:

I really think "truTV" is a misnomer in any case.  Especially after presenting shows like this and Haunting Evidence. Do people believe this drivel is real just because it's on truTV?  BTW, I took a look at the forum at that channel's website and it's pitiful how most viewers are lapping up this nonsense.

Same goes for A & E – shame on them.  It certainly is no longer "time well spent".  It too has started catering to what one writer called the "lowest denominator".

At least there is the Science Channel, some decent Discovery programming and NatGeo to keep the brain cells working.

 Well, Tru Tv used to be Court Tv.half of it was owned by Time-Warner, the other half owned by the guy, Miller i believe his name is, that owned QVC,STARZ,etc. Miller sold his half of COURT TV to Time -Warner. Right away the suits at Time Warner started  to change the name to TRU TV andstart putting on the scholck,cause it's cheap,and they started laying people off.They canceled the Star Jones show, and when they did, my sister who was assignment editor at Court Tv got laid off.She said that was no loss when they canceled the show, as Star was a real prima donna to work with, but that's not the word my sister used. Right now my sister is taking classes in video editing etc, and plugging away trying to find a job in her field or maybe computers, since alot of people up there are looking for computer techs and such.


9:58 pm
April 13, 2009


Dienvae

Jacksonville, FL

Investigator in Training

posts 8

I used to watch Court TV all the time. I enjoyed the crime and forensics shows in particular. Now that it is Tru TV I rarely watch it.

I agree that A & E has changed for the worse, too.

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