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4:23 am
February 13, 2009


Dienvae

Jacksonville, FL

Investigator in Training

posts 8

Well here we go again. Another network jumping on the paranormal bandwagon, hehe. What do you think?

http://www.trutv.com/shows/door_to_the_dead/index.html

4:42 am
February 13, 2009


dr_peter_venkman

Rochester, NY

Investigator

posts 99

I have to admit I was initially intrigued by the description of the show. John Oliver would have brought a new perspective to these type of shows.

Then I realized it wasn't the same John Oliver from the Daily Show. Too bad. Now *that* would have been fun to watch.Cool

Hee hee hee! "Get her!" That was your whole plan, huh, "get her." Very scientific.

7:53 am
February 13, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

ARRHHHHH! Sorry, just having a conniption after watching the 3 previews. There is no way I could watch this show! Psychics and orbs. I need a tranquilizer.

OD'd on EMF

9:00 am
February 13, 2009


Leslie

Investigator

posts 157

What seems to be happening is that these kinds of people are seeing the kind of s**t that GH (and GHI)  are getting away with and making money doing it, then why can't they? They think that  if there are people out there that are  gullible enough to believe everything about GH, then they should be gullible enough to believe them, and maybe they can get a piece of that 'pie' for themselves. (It is amazing what stupid things people will do to make money.Money mouth )  

2:05 pm
February 13, 2009


Brenda Lee

Guest

This show looks really lame.  Orbs?  Can we say dust?!  I especially liked when he returned to a certain spot to increase the orb activity.  ???

I don't feel a big draw here.

4:52 am
February 14, 2009


freakazoid

Guest

I watched the whole episode, and it wasn't that good.. I am extremely skeptical about John Oliver's psychic abilities.

I was disappointed when they brought out the spirit board, just because those things can be faked so easily. I haven't really researched Edison's telephone of the dead and how it works, but I am of course very skeptical.

The part when the girl investigator was seeing tons of "orbs" flying around on the monitor was so stupid. That was obviously dust! There was a dude standing right there where the "orbs" were appearing, and that other guy was all walking around stirring up dust. So lame…

7:54 am
February 14, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

I was putting down some thoughts on the premise and cast of this show before delving into the idiocy of this whole production.  I was going to write a review but you guys beat me to it and are doing a bang up job. For now, let me post what I've written about the germination of this disaster:

Shows about the paranormal seem to be the latest fad to hit television in the last several years.  Not to be outdone, truTV (whose motto “Not Reality. Actuality” makes no sense to me) have decided to replace their previous effort, Haunting Evidence”, with something called Door to the Dead.  In doing so, they went from being mildly absurd to totally outrageous.

I can picture the “suits” at truTv mulling over the fact that they need a show about the paranormal to stay in contention with A & E, SciFi and the Travel Channel.  Someone had a light bulb moment and thought “Viewers really fall for that Paranormal State storyline.  Maybe we can give it a go.  And hey, why don’t we add a skeptic to the mix?  It’ll work.  Why not?  The public seems to be lapping this stuff up anyway!”

Or something along those lines.

So we have been graced with Door to the Dead, starring John Oliver, Chris Moon and Alison Smith.  Just as a recap:

John Oliver: another self-proclaimed medium and cold/hot reader who seems to be a combination of Ryan Buell and Chip Coffey. An apparent attempt to emulate PR’s famous duo rolled into one. The “I think, I feel, I sense” type of investigating is his main modus operandi.  Telling people who are suffering from some sort of emotional distress or having a problem going through the grieving process that their problems revolve around some sort of demon seems to be a favorite tack with this type of “entertainer”.

Chris Moon: where shall I start?  President of Haunted Times magazine, Moon is basically known for two things: traveling around the country under the banner of “Ghost Hunter University”, giving lectures in supposedly haunted places (at least you get dinner with this package), and promoting the infamous radio-like device that he alleges can “talk to the dead” and was Thomas Edison’s big secret.  Yeah, right.

Alison Smith: billed as a “Professional Skeptic”.  Someone please enlighten me, but the meaning of this alludes me.  Being a skeptic denotes a certain way of looking at purported claims.  It is not a profession, at least the last time I looked.  What is equally puzzling is the fact that Ms. Smith is/was one of the biggies of SAPS, whose premise (taken from their website) is as follows:

“The most important thing to remember about SAPS is that our goal is not to spread unbelief, but to offer alternate ways of thinking about paranormal events. This does not mean that your own paranormal experience didn't happen, or that you are deluded or ignorant or stupid. It merely means that there has never been concrete evidence of the paranormal, yet there are individuals who will represent their findings as absolute truth.”

OK, it appears Ms. Smith has jumped the SAPS ship and gone over to the dark side.  In the truTV forums, one poster stated that the original promo for her was “skeptic turned believer”, which is the only way to make sense about her sudden conversion.  On the SAPS website she has photos of herself and Grant showing a friendly repartee' between the two.  Early signs of trouble?

How interesting that SAPS has an excellent debunk of orbs in general and in this show Ms. Smith is getting excited over their appearance on the screens she is watching.  If she is a skeptic, then I'm Mrs. Claus.  Wonder if she is still on the panel of Randi's Million Dollar challenge? 

There wasn't a hint of skepticism to be seen.  The skeptic label, in this case, is a sad joke.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

11:37 am
February 14, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

Admin

posts 589

Apologies if this comes out muddled– hopped up on cold meds today…

I just watched the previews. I'm having a hard time squaring the Allison Smith we see here with the Allison Smith (aka Remie VanDerRoss, I think) that I've heard in interviews.

So I can think of a few possibilities:

1. The editing makes her look more credulous than she is. This is pretty much par for the course, and the main caveat to my constant cries for an increased skeptical presence on paranormal shows– it doesn't matter how skeptical you are if the producers cut out the bits where you act skeptical. We'll know somewhat better after seeing a complete episode.

2. She was "getting into the spirit of things" during the investigation. It can be difficult to balance between being the Token Skeptic ("Gosh, I'm baffled!" at every turn) and the Jerk Skeptic (who has an explanation for everything, no matter how unconvincing). I've fallen into both sides myself, inadvertantly, and a little editing will nudge that along.

3. She may have agreed to follow Oliver's methods during an investigation. That might not be quite so bad if they state it clearly at the beginning and let Smith do a skeptical analysis at the conclusion. (And pigs might fly, but hey… benefit of the doubt.)

4. Or… well, I don't want to think about that.

I don't know Alison Smith personally, but she does have a pretty strong skeptical pedigree. She was indeed a research assistant at the JREF. As I said, I've heard her interviewed, and she seemed like an intelligent and open-minded skeptic to me.

So I'm up for hearing her side of the story. I wonder if she'd be interested in being interviewed for the podcast?

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

4:35 pm
February 14, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

Good thoughts, Stephen.  It's perplexing, to say the least.

Just for good measure, I went over to the SAPS website and nothing over there indicates any kind of change in viewpoint.  It's still the debunking and skeptical place it always was.  I even re-read the sections on orbs, which of course they point out have natural origins or are camera flukes.  So it was really a shock to see Alison pointing out the orbs during the show.  In fact, I knew she would do this ahead of time as I watched the trailer on truTV.com.

Then I wandered over to the news section (I think that was it) and there were pics of her taken at DragonCon with Grant Wilson.  They looked like two long time friends, and she captioned the photos saying she still took him to task or something like that.  Now, I believe in being civil, but I can remember when there was a time that TAPS had been quite upset at SAPS.  Oh well, maybe it was nothing but water under the bridge.

This was obviously John Oliver's tour de force, complete with all the usual medium trappings.  So I could see Alison doing what he asked her to do since he was in charge. 

What was laughable/tragic is her association with Chris Moon and that ludicrous machine.  As a skeptic, I would have found it hard to go along with that dog and pony show without saying SOMETHING.  These are the sort of people that skeptics find themselves debating and many times criticizing when some of these snake oil salesmen seem to be doing more harm then good, all in the name of money. Yet there was no dissenting point of view forthcoming from the "professional skeptic" (I still laugh at the term).

I hate to bring up Most Haunted, but at least their skeptic, Ciaran O'Keefe has degrees in psychology and parapsychology and does some serious research outside of that show.  He goes along as all the so-called investigating occurs, only occasionally taking part.  At the end, he gives his summation, which often shoots down any paranormal origins for what was experienced.  Of course, this show is not taken seriously anyway, but at least their skeptic is given an opportunity at the end to present his summation to the viewers.  This is what I thought was going to happen here.  No dice.

I was surprised to read about the "skeptic turned believer" tag that was originally Alison's description, but, as I stated above, it was changed to "professional skeptic".  So far from what I've seen-and you may be right about the editing bit-I don't know if Randi would have been impressed with her TV appearance.

This show is so indicative of the continuing downward spiral of any shows dealing with the paranormal.  The heavy reliance on all the trappings of medievalism, religiousity, wacky equipment which LOOKS scientific coupled with a family experiencing some kind of emotional trauma again assures that the people who are scientific researchers will continue to be laughed out of the scientific community. 

I've got a number of observations but feel I've already monopolised this thread.  Let me just say that this is a blatant ripoff of PS (or PR, their newer name), to the point where it might behoove the latter to sue.  But actually I could care less, since my opinion of PS is about as low as it is of this show, if this episode is any indication.

Geez, I've got a few skulls in my house.  Maybe they have gotten inside MY head and are telling me what to do.  Now, if they know the winning lottery numbers, I hope they can transmit them to me ASAP.

I decided to really check into the oft made claim that Edison was working on a mysterious telephone to the dead.  Chris Moon is not the only one touting this belief around; it has had all the trappings of an urban legend that has been bouncing around for quite some time.

In fact, that is exactly what it is.  Here it is, straight from the Edison National Historic Site:

Did Edison make a machine that could talk to the dead?

This seems to be another tall tale that Edison pulled on a reporter. In 1920 Edison told the reporter, B.F. Forbes, that he was working on a machine that could make contact with the spirits of the dead. Newspapers all over the world picked up this story. After a few years, Edison admitted that he had made the whole thing up. Today at Edison National Historic Site, we take care of over five million pages of documents. None of them mention such an experiment.

By the way, the reporter had a son named Malcolm Forbes. He published Forbes Magazine and became rich and famous himself.  

http://www.nps.gov/archive/edis/edifun/edifun_4andup/faqs_fables.htm#talk

So there it is: a tall tale that grows ever taller in the telling.  And that about sums up this episode for me.

P.S. Stephen, it would be fantastic if you can get Alison on the podcast, but I have a feeling that there will be that ever ubiquitous contract that doesn't allow anyone connected with a production to spill any beans.  It's worth a try.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

5:47 pm
February 14, 2009


phillyk48

Indiana

Investigator

posts 81

I decided to watch this show, just to see how utterly ridiculous it would be, and guess what, it did not only meet my expectations, it exceeded them!  I sat in disbelief and astonishment (yes I did watch the whole show) as I couldn’t get over the family going along with the entire process and of course that preposterous “telephone to the dead”.  I checked up on that also and what the “telephone” made me think is that its just a glorified “franks box”, which is pathetic on its own already.  Enough has been said about John Oliver and his “medium skills”…heck they don’t even make it to medium..they’re below low.  I will disagree on one thing though, the show is so absurd, it makes PS look halfway decent.  And Oubliette, if your skulls don’t give you those winning lotto numbers, you better run right out the door with them and bury them in the nearest cemetery.   Wink

If your cat's speaking Latin, you might have a problem

5:57 pm
February 14, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

Admin

posts 589

Here's a link to my favorite Allison Smith interview on Skepticality.

I haven't been able to find the complete show online anywhere; if anyone finds it, please PM me.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

8:05 am
February 15, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

So far I've checked all the usual places and no show yet.  Even YouTube just has trailers.

But you and others may find this interesting and it simply adds to the puzzle.  I checked the JREF Forum and Alison actually wrote the following there on 2/10:

************************

Hello, everyone!

Yes, I am going to appear in the television show 'Door to the Dead' which airs on truTV on February 13th at 10pm EST. Be sure and set your Tivo!

I haven't seen the final product yet, but I'm sure it will promise a night of fun and fear.

For more information on the individuals involved and the equipment they chose to use, I'd suggest looking a little further than just the television show.

For instance, here is some information on Chris Moon's use of the Telephone to the Dead, which he first had experience with in 2004:

http://www.hauntedtimes.com/telephonetothedead.html

And be sure to check out John J. Oliver's web site for a couple clips of 'Door to the Dead' where I even utter the word 'orb'!!

**********************

After that, nothing from her except a lot of arguing from posters about the "Skeptic Turned Believer" description.

Her initial post telling everyone she is going to be on the show, coupled with her post talking about John Oliver and Chris Moon and his static machine without any hint of skepticism, can only lead me to two conclusions:

1. Her skeptical analysis has been edited out.

2.  The unthinkable-OK, I'm going to say it-the lure of $$$ became too great.

Pardon my cynicism, but even Gail, the supposed skeptic on Chris Fleming's ego vehicle Dead Famous, would occasionally voice her doubts, esp. about his "channelings".  If this first episode is any example, we won't see anything like that in this show.

I wish she would step up to the plate about this because skeptical minds want to know.  And it is becoming painfully apparent that a show which I would LOVE to see, The Skeptologists, is never going to grace our TV screens.  I hate to say it, but the public wants to see the sort of drivel we are being subjected to, rather then a host of actual scientists, psychologists etc. who more then likely will be able to offer credible explanations for evidence presented as paranormal.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

8:11 am
February 15, 2009


Dienvae

Jacksonville, FL

Investigator in Training

posts 8

I really had high hopes for this show because of the fact it will be on truTV and featured a skeptic. So far from the posts I've read here it isn't looking too good, hehe. So much for "true" TV, huh. Thank you everyone for all of your posts. :)

8:35 am
February 15, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

I really think "truTV" is a misnomer in any case.  Especially after presenting shows like this and Haunting Evidence. Do people believe this drivel is real just because it's on truTV?  BTW, I took a look at the forum at that channel's website and it's pitiful how most viewers are lapping up this nonsense.

Same goes for A & E – shame on them.  It certainly is no longer "time well spent".  It too has started catering to what one writer called the "lowest denominator".

At least there is the Science Channel, some decent Discovery programming and NatGeo to keep the brain cells working.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

5:46 pm
February 17, 2009


KarlaHicklin

Investigator in Training

posts 4

The program was built up with so much hype…it was bound to fail.  BUT…even without the hype…the program is awful!  What a bunch of fools they must think we are!

7:15 am
February 18, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

Just the mention of Chris Moon and his static machine gave the whole thing away for me.  and Oliver looks like (disregarding age of course) how the love child of Chip Coffey and Ryan Buell would appear. Laughing

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

7:21 pm
February 20, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

Just a heads up–Alison has not logged into her MySpace page since 2/11.  Seems like she has disappeared off the radar.  Curiouser and curiouser.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

4:53 am
February 21, 2009


bullerspoke

Sweden

Investigator

posts 101

I would guess Alison is somewhat tied up by contracts preventing her from engaging in too much communication with the general public, except promotional stuff that is. She seem rather unactive on the JREF forums too. Other than that, the shooting schedule probably takes up alot of time and energy. 

Still, I think she handled this whole thing rather badly, especially considering her stature in the skeptical community. But I would guess a "white book" will emerge after this TV adventure is over for her. 

I mean she has a golden opportunity to give some insight into the workings of paranormal television and the enterprise surrounding it. Her silence now is probably the silence before the storm considering her rather brutal debunking  of TAPS/GH in the past. Personally I find her debunking rather coarse in aim at times and her rhetorics high-pitched, but atleast she is consistent. Or atleast she was. :)

As for her participation per se (haven't seen the show) I'm sure any of us would jump at the chance, no matter the show, even if we knew we would end up mostly on the cutting floor or be portrayed in a manner that suits the show. 

When in doubt… figure it out!

7:14 am
February 21, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

Lead Investigator

posts 574

bullerspoke-About the "cutting room floor" part.  Editing has been blamed for a lot of omissions in any number of shows, and I'm sure there is some validity to it. 

But in this case, Alison was advertised as a skeptic.  To not show even one or two minutes of her speaking like a skeptic made the description of the show very dubious indeed.  I wonder if the promo used the term skeptic just to draw in viewers, who were then expecting to hear some logical, possible explanations for what occurred. In this case there was zilch.

It could be that she said some things which were quite critical of the events and the producers felt it might start some of the audience doubting the concept of this show, and others like it.  Given enough skepticism, that cash cow may then start running out of cash.

But I don't think so.  I don't think anything Alison said or done was cut out.  I call this show False Advertising, among other names that I'm too much of a lady to use here.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

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