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A Haunting Episode "Johnson Family"

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7:03 am
July 22, 2009


ContraryMary

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Ok, please forgive me if this is posted in the wrong place or if it seems silly.  Yesterday I was watching "A Haunting" and it featured the Johnson family.  I can't remember the hubby's name but the wife is Libby and they have 2 daughters who see "fairies" in their bedroom and as the episode unfolds it occured to me that this is a case covered by GH but I can't for the life of me remember which season.  During the episode of Haunting, Libby finds a photo taken during the 50th anniversary of the civil war that shows soldiers and two little girls that "don't seem to belong there" and Libby mentions they look like the fairies her daughters have seen but, and correct me if I'm wrong here, I do not remember GH mentioning a photo of the ghost children during their episode.  As an aside, if such photo does exist why not show the actual photo instead of an obvious re-enactment of said photo?  Libby contacts a group called "Isis" to help them and they conduct a cleaning ritual and a healing circle so why then would the Johnson family contact GH in the first place?  It is me or is something fishy here?  I would welcome your thoughts on this.

1:44 pm
July 22, 2009


Leslie

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posts 157

This was Sean and Libby Johnson in Chester,Vermont. The show for A Haunting is entitiled "Echoes of the Past", and yes they were on GH. The episode is "Shaow People"- season 3 ,episode 3. I don't remember too much about this one, so I'll have to re-watch it. But I would think that the photo should be of interest to any investigator.

5:19 am
July 23, 2009


ContraryMary

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Thanks for the info.  I was racking my brain trying to remember all the details.  I have the DVD's of GH so I can go watch again.  Thanks again!

6:37 am
July 23, 2009


Brenny

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I know exactly the episode you are talking about and I had the same thoughts as you!  I saw the "A haunting" version before the GN version.  As soon as the GH episode came out, I immediately remembered the other show on "A Haunting" .   I also wondered why they kept out so much information about the history of this haunting and how it was previously handled…did the homeowners not want to tell GH everything?  Did GH do any research on this place at all?  If so, they would certainly be aware of the Discovery channel show "A Haunting" and should have included all the info from the first attempt to cleanse the house.  I just wonder if they do any real research on these properties at all! 

Last night I saw the re-run of the distillery in CA and had to laugh again, about them not knowing anything about the "entertainment props" used in the place to "enhance the customers experience".  The info is all over the internet.  Just what do these "case managers" really do? 

7:01 am
July 23, 2009


ContraryMary

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What continues to bother me though it that photo Libby has that is obviously not a real photo, obviously doctored.  WHY wouldn't she show the actual photo?  why wouldn't GH mention the actual photo.  If such a photo exists then there is some great possibly solid proof of the little girls ghosts so why not view it and discuss it!  I can't get past that.

The distillery episode annoys me so much.  As Grant and Jay try to question the guy about the props he's just laughing.  You can tell G & J are miffed and yet this dude keeps laughing like a moron.  Argh!  Frustrating waste of time in my book.

I have such a Love/Hate relationship with GH.  I want to believe but I want some solid proof.  It's an entertaining enough show but it doesn't really prove anything to skeptics.

8:24 am
July 23, 2009


HollyDolly

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posts 194

I recall watching this episode of GH and need to watch the dvd again. I don't recall any mention from the Johnsons of a photo  to GH.I know Jay and Grant had the little girls bed shake and a few other things happen.

Also Jay and Grant might not watch A Haunting, so maybe unaware of this first visit from another paranormal group.And of course the home owners may have been keeping the info from GH for reasons of their own.Whether as a test, or to see if they came up independently of  info from the first group.

As far as the Civil War photo and the two little girls.There is an explaination. Don't know how many soldiers are in the photo. Say there is more than one. You have this group of men going off to war, so naturally friends and family go to see them off. If that was the circumstance or conditions under which the photo was taken, it wouldn't be hard for two little girls to accidently get into the photo.

I'd love to see it and especially the clothing on the girls.I love historical costume, and might be able to get an idea from the dress ,etc. if the photo actually was from the civil war era.Now I am no expert, but with old photos I can generally get an idea by the clothing of when a photo was taken,like hairstyles, jewelery, sleeve and bodice design ,etc.Have a photo at home of Greatgrandpa and Greatgrandma Steldt, and she's wearing the big leg of mutton sleeve of the 1890s.They called it that because it was shaped like a leg of mutton.

I really think there is more to the story with these people and the supposed girl ghosts.Strange no one has seen the photo but them.They could have taken the girls to some place where they take vintage photos. You know, they have costumes from various time periods and dress you in them, then take these sepia tone or black and white photos of you in costume. I assume they could find at an estate sale an old Civil War photo, and somehow photoshop or through other means, combine the two photos.

But this is just a wild guess.

As far as the Moss Beach Distillery goes., well it has been on Unsolved Mysteries with the late Robert Stack.

At the time, many years ago, it was owned by a woman and her husband. This couple DIDNOT have all the gizmos in the place.It was after the new owner took over, that they were added.

I myself was unaware of th efact that the new owner rig the place, why because I have never been there.

Other places have had people jump on Jay and Grant, saying well they should have known the place was rigged.And I say no. They don't know how many owners it has passed through since being sold.

And certainly the current owner was not going to tell them about the fake ghostie stuff.Even if their people did research, it is certainl possible some information was missed.

The really sad part is this. GH could have gone in an done an investigation of the place, and maybe found evidence for the Blue Lady.If real, then it would have enhanced the owner's business.

Instead the owner and the Moss Beach Distillery gets exposed as frauds.So people who thought  the place was haunted and ate there for the thrill, now won't come. Then customers start wondering if the owner is cheating them on the bill, jacking up prices,etc, so then others decide they won't come.

So he loses business. There is a haunted restaurant in San Antonio called I think the Alamo Street Theatre. They do plays and have food. It has been on local tv and in a couple of books. It was an old church made into a restaurant theatre, and is haunted by a lady and a little boy, and I think a couple of other ghost.

They do not use any special effects in the place,etc. I would like to eat there some time, but maybe wait till my sister visits  sometime from New York.

10:37 pm
July 23, 2009


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

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posts 574

What needs to be remembered about the series "The Haunting" is that it is a highly embellished of events for dramatic purposes.  There is probably a kernel of truth about some of the mysterious goings on but this show probably belongs in the drama category.  I remember reading years ago on another forum that the show from Connecticut (both a book and the current movie, along with the dubious involvement of Lorraine Warren) about the haunted ex-funeral home was fabricated to a great degree.  Neighbors had never seen or heard anything unusual, and nobody who lived there really talked about anything happening.

Wikipedia dubs it a docu-drama and at least one participant has come forward and remarked that his account was "heavily embellished" for the show.  This is probably true of a lot of the episodes.  It may be why in this particular episode discussed here that some of the evidence had been embellished and that's why it was not produced to show Jason and Grant.  In other words, fakery may have been involved for The Haunting production but deliberately kept out of the GH episode.  Which brings that photo into disrepute and possibly a fake.

"The Haunting" is a concept that should be taken with a grain of salt.  I watch it occasionally, but probably more for entertainment than anything else.  Usually it loses me as soon as the Warrens would put in an appearance.  Also its emphasis on possession, demons etc. also often causes me to change the channel.

I actually prefer "Ghostly Encounters" on the Bio Channel as it involves a simpler format and is much less dramatic, leaving the conclusion up to the audience. 

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

12:49 pm
July 30, 2009


kaila333

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i just watched the episode on GH and my mom said she saw the same story on A Haunting. but which one came first? they were both very good episodes but im guessing the GH came then the A Haunting episode came after?

1:01 pm
July 30, 2009


kaila333

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ok i did some research and the episode of the Johnson family on GH was aired October 2006. And their episode that was on A Haunting was aired in Oct 2007. So the GH came before then A Haunting came after. Cool episodes.

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