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1:23 pm
November 23, 2009


BrendaLee

Thousand Oaks, CA

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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/23/obama-kicks-off-massive-science-education-effort/

President Obama wants to show the kids that science is cool!  New education effort, with money to back it, underway.

Let's encourage kids to think critically and explore our world with scientific thought.

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." – Dr. Seuss

1:46 pm
November 23, 2009


Nosfer

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BrendaLee said:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/11/23/obama-kicks-off-massive-science-education-effort/

President Obama wants to show the kids that science is cool!  New education effort, with money to back it, underway.

Let's encourage kids to think critically and explore our world with scientific thought.


This sort of thing just torques me…why do we have to sell things as being _cool_?

I'm all for getting people interested in science, but what does it say when we've become a society where it has to be "cool" to do something.

Needs to be something besides just the answer, there has to be a spin on it, some "commentary"

There always has to be some hook, what happened to being curious and applying the scientific process simply to learn…learning, increasing knowledge, should be the incentive, not doing it "'cause it's cool, dude!"

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2:41 pm
November 23, 2009


alicat

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Isn't being "cool" what starts dividing those among us?  Selecting something cool merely means we are setting something apart from the norm.  Cool is a judgment call.  We define people as cool based on what they do, how they dress, etc.  It should be up to the parents and teachers to remember their often neglected responsibilities and teach their children not what is cool but what is the responsible and right thing to do and encourage them to increase their knowledge to enhance their lives not just because it's "cool".

How many kids drink and drive or do drugs because it's cool?  Apparently quite a few from what I see when I see the front pages of the newspaper.

So funding something because it's cool, quite frankly, leaves me cold.

While I have no problem with STEM and I encourage the goals, if the President feels he can find funds in this economy to support something "cool", I suggest he put it into the entire education system where parent and teachers  (who really teach) actually do their job and show students there are many things to learn in school whether they label them "cool" or not.

The best line in this link, and one which I totally agree with, is "the best weapon is an educated public".

11:06 pm
November 23, 2009


Learjet

Australia

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Just reading down in the comments, I see Ghost Lab gets a bashing.

OD'd on EMF

12:29 pm
November 24, 2009


Orion

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I gotta agree with you all.  I guess now we're not just trying to dumb things down, we want to "cool" them down too. 

As soon as kids start to feel it's "not" cool, which is as soon as the going gets tough, it'll be game over.  There are always these grand media announcements about this and that, but talking about inititating something, actually initiating it, and seeing it successfully through are incredibly different things.

I also have to just love Undecided all the poltical potshots taken at republicans on that board by various posters.  How is that even relevant? I guess some people have nothing else to say if it isn't pigeonholing and railing against the party they love to hate, regardless of whether it has any actual relevence to the article.  Funny how Ghost Lab got nailed in that though.   They sorta have a point:  GL is not really the proper program for a dedicated science channel, they're getting too fringe in an effort to be "cool".

Having an open mind is a two way street.

2:00 pm
November 24, 2009


Revenant

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People or kids don't get into science because it's cool or because it isn't cool.  They get into it because they're naturally good at it.  You want to drum up more interest in science and keep people in the science fields?  PAY THEM!  What's "cool" changes every hour.  Dollars trump "cool."

Good people switch careers from science everyday.  It has nothing to do with their love of science or learning.  Their passion for it hasn't dwindled.  It's just financial.  Making science cool…great…although I'm not seeing how being in a "cool" field of science pays the bills when one can make infinitely more outside of science…and that's the real problem.

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

2:08 pm
November 24, 2009


Orion

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Yeah Rev, but that would mean actually fixing the economy first.  I think maybe they're putting the cart before the horse -they think by making science "cool", more kids will get into it, and then invent stuff that will give the economy a shot in the arm, much how the IT revolution did in the '90s with the advent of personal computers and the Internet.

Having an open mind is a two way street.

3:02 pm
November 24, 2009


BrendaLee

Thousand Oaks, CA

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I don't have the problem with the label cool that so many here seem to express.  I see this more as an opportunity, a resource for teachers when working with kids.  Frankly, any way we can excite kids about learning new things is good for education.

This new effort represents funding and new curriculum that will be available.  As someone who goes into classrooms and works with kids, I think it will be great!

Teachers are always looking for new ways to capture the attention of their charges. 

And how about that science fair at the White House?

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." – Dr. Seuss

5:04 pm
November 24, 2009


Orion

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I don't know that the problem is getting kids into science so much as keeping their interest maintained. 

It's true that we should break that stigma of science oriented kids being nerdy dorks w/ pocket protectors and white adhesive taped thick black rim glasses, but it's gonna take more than that.  Science is the pursuit of knowledge and thus it's own reward, ultimately.  If kids don't have the mindset to appreciate that, then.. it'll probably be a huge expenditure of money, a lot of the kids'll lose interest and start bombing out, then they'll have to grade everything with a huge curve to cover it up and so that the kids who can't cut it don't suffer from "self esteem" issues.. and the actual smart ones will be crapped on as usual, or bored to tears.  My wife was a teacher for years. She knows the drill.

I guess it should be not so much about trying to make science cool, but it wouldn't hurt to remove the stigma of "uncool" maybe.  I always liked science.  The best class I had in high school was "individualized" chemistry, where everyone learned basically at their own rate, and no permanent test score was "allowed" below a "C".  The teacher's philosphy was, tests are to show if you've learned, not just to get a grade, and if you do poorly on the test, then you haven't learned, so you stay put and keep working on learning the material until you can pass the test with a C or better. Only then do you move on to the next section. I'm not sure how he kept it all together but it worked. There was also that motivation not to fall behind and look stupid compared to everyone else. (These days that would be considered nearly criminal, I take itUndecided)  I learned a lot in that class, and it was neither nerdy nor cool, just really good.

Having an open mind is a two way street.

5:08 pm
November 24, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

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And from what I've seen of lesson plans, curricula etc these days, the interest is only going to be there until they go to the next "section" and then the past is forgotten.

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6:22 pm
November 24, 2009


The Doctor

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posts 488

The party in power will never repudiate the "science" as given out by Al Gore.

Politically correct science is not science.

3:45 pm
November 25, 2009


Orion

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I think the whole "green" and "climate change" thing is what they're counting on to create new technololgies to drive the economy forward this coming decade.  While it's not a bad idea in general, (it worked with IT in the 90s)  it's something of a false dilemma.  Granted I think use of fossil fuel and internal combustion engines are due for an evolutionary upgrade or replacement, but if they actually hurt the economy by foisting too much too soon on the country all at once,well..   you know who they'll blame of course!

Having an open mind is a two way street.

9:06 am
November 26, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

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Of course, with the recent HRU break-in (if all is legit), green and climate-change and science in general may take a big hit!

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8:07 pm
November 26, 2009


Angelayo1970

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Maybe I'm a bigger nerd than I realized, but I thought science was always cool!

However, as a mom of three kids (3rd grader, 5th grader and college bound Senior) I can honestly say that it can be a real struggle for teachers to make kids motivated to learn. We live in an instant gratification society and the thirst for knowledge and the desire for academic achievement seems to be something that has been lost. But (and this is a BIG but!) I blame the parents for that, not the education system as a whole. Yes, the education system needs a MAJOR overhaul, but that isn't the fault of teachers, who are grossly overworked and underpaid and who just want to be able to do their thing in the classroom without a lot of state and federal interference. Parents are to blame for not RAISING kids who are curious, who want to learn and explore. Parents are raising kids with the television (ANY television, not just the good educational stuff) as their babysitter. My son (the 5th grader) came home from school not long ago and said "Mom, can you believe there are kids in my class who have never been to a museum?" He was shocked! We have taken our kids, from the time they were very young toddlers, to science, art and natural history museums, historically important sites, battlefields, Civil War reenactments, Renaissance fairs, National monuments and parks, factory tours of different industries, etc. My husband and I are raising three children who love to read because they have grown up in a home full of books and have actually SEEN their parents reading something besides just the newspaper and occasional magazine. We watch programs on the History channel, Discovery Science, PBS, etc., and then have discussions with our kids about the program we just watched together. These are the tools children need, the fuel that make kids WANT to learn, and without that kind of parental involvement, all the government funded programs in the world aren't going to help.

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei

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