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1:08 am August 15, 2009
| Revenant
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Researchers in China are claiming to have created the first tunable electromagnetic gateway. Here's the scoop:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090813083329.htm
Essentially "the gateway, which is now much closer to reality, uses transformation optics and an amplified scattering effect from an arrangement of ferrite materials called single-crystal yttrium-iron-garnet that force light and other forms of electromagnetic radiation in complicated directions to create a hidden portal."
It is interesting. As to what to do with it…well, beyond military applications (like a next generation type of stealth), I'm not quite sure what to do with it…"if" it works.
I'm curious to see if any paranormal sites or groups hear of this and misinterpret it to mean that it's a portal to another dimension or whatever.
A Weird Side-Note: This is the second Harry Potter reference that I've made in a week. Odd, because I'm not really a big fan of the movies and have never read the books. In any event, this will be the last Potter reference for a while. But just for the record, it does kill me that the author is worth over a BILLION dollars. That's just a bunch of crazy…
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8:18 am August 15, 2009
| alicat
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Revenant – "I'm curious to see if any paranormal sites or groups hear of this and misinterpret it to mean that it's a portal to another dimension or whatever."
Didn't you see the credited reference to Ashley in the IOP's Journal? It's a done deal! She just needs to get Barry and Paul from GHI on board which shouldn't be difficult not to mention J&G. I think they'll swear to anything as we've seen at the Inn.
And yes, I noticed the HP reference from a previous picture as well. 
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10:33 am August 15, 2009
| Oubliette
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@Revenant:
You wrote:
I'm curious to see if any paranormal sites or groups hear of this and misinterpret it to mean that it's a portal to another dimension or whatever.
That's was exactly my first impression. Only I was thinking in a serious vein. Do the Chinese believe in alternate universes-membrane theory and other new wave physics theory?
Obviously the hot sun and trying to drive through crazy Saturday tourist traffic has effected my brain. 
On a more analytical note, it's a good question-what would be the purpose? When one thinks of the Chinese, immediately "military" comes to mind, right or wrong. Wonder if any other countries are working on this? It's quite interesting, at any rate.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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11:18 am August 15, 2009
| blinddog
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Hell with the paranormal!
alicat knows what I'm thinking. CZJ.
Sweeeet!
Wonder how long until I can get one at Costco?
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Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.
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1:03 pm August 15, 2009
| Revenant
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Oubliette said:
Do the Chinese believe in alternate universes-membrane theory and other new wave physics theory?
On a more analytical note, it's a good question-what would be the purpose? When one thinks of the Chinese, immediately "military" comes to mind, right or wrong. Wonder if any other countries are working on this? It's quite interesting, at any rate.
It's a valid question and I have to think that the answer is "yes." I mean, science is science. It's not built on a traditional "belief" structure like religion or anything. However, there are "cultural divides" between countries as to how far they will take their experiments (the best, and worst, example would be the Nazi's during WWII). With all of that said, do the Chinese cater to more popular Western theories…I would say so. Everyone wants to be "cutting edge" so scientists, where ever they may be, will look at anything remotely interesting if they think it will further their own projects. I mean the bottom-line is the same everywhere…produce results or you get fired (unless you're related to the boss ).
The articles that I've read on it don't mention if any other countries are working on it. I would assume so. Playing around with light and optics is a big deal concerning many scientific fields, especially military. If countries are working on it, odds are that it's classified. To tell the truth, I was actually kind of shocked seeing China saying anything about it without a working prototype. Historically, it's very unlike the Chinese government to share information like this. Either it's a new trend that I like very much…or something else is going on. I'll watch for further developments down the road and mention it when things pop up about it.
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3:30 pm August 15, 2009
| Oubliette
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It may be that this type of research is generally kept under wraps, so we don't have any way of knowing who or what might be working with these ideas.
Back during the Cold War, it was assumed that the then Soviet Union was carrying out many weird and possibly destructive experiments. Whether true or not, it created the paranoid climate of the fifties and sixties. There was no doubt that the Soviets were bent on winning the space war and possibly taking more risks than the West would have considered safe. Now the Soviets have been replaced by the Chinese, and much of the same kind of thinking is being applied to them. It's a shame because look at the advances in paleontology when Chinese researchers and those from the West got together at the wonderful sites in China. New species, new theories–sharing knowledge without letting politics get in between can produce marvels.
Frankly, with all the new advances in physics and other branches of science today, it boggles the mind. Who knows what wonders await us? This news bears watching.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
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10:49 pm August 15, 2009
| Bobarino
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Well, first I don't think the Chinese have replaced the Soviets. In a poll of Americans taken a few years ago, it was asked something like "Who do you feel is our biggest enemy". Response: 1 = N. Korea, 2 = France, 3 = China. (I can find the link to it is anyone is curious about the detail.) I laughed at #2, but at the time it made sense.
Back to the technology you mention, I would think Stealth would be the #1 use. If they could make a Personal version of it, that would like the invisibility cloak (Crap, now you made *ME* make a HP reference). Others have tried to make an "Invisibility Suit" (http://www.thegreenhead.com/technology/2004/05/japanese-scientist-invents.php) but it seems this Chinese idea would be much more efficient
If they did make a personal "invisibility Cloak" then I think that would make it tough on the Ghost Hunters show. I mean, if I could afford one, I would get it and follow them around. Go invisible and when the camera starts, I would mess with them big time.
Well, thats innocent little ole' me anyways 
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2:14 am August 16, 2009
| Revenant
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Bobarino said:
Well, first I don't think the Chinese have replaced the Soviets. In a poll of Americans taken a few years ago, it was asked something like "Who do you feel is our biggest enemy". Response: 1 = N. Korea, 2 = France, 3 = China. (I can find the link to it is anyone is curious about the detail.) I laughed at #2, but at the time it made sense.
Back to the technology you mention, I would think Stealth would be the #1 use. If they could make a Personal version of it, that would like the invisibility cloak (Crap, now you made *ME* make a HP reference). Others have tried to make an "Invisibility Suit" (http://www.thegreenhead.com/technology/2004/05/japanese-scientist-invents.php) but it seems this Chinese idea would be much more efficient
France at number 2…I remember hearing that. Geographically, Texas is bigger than France and I believe that there are more dogs in the US than there are people in France. So…I don't have them very high on my list of potential threats…
Anyway, thanks for the link. I had forgotten about that suit. I've been reading more on the American and British stuff, like these:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15329396/
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1029418920080810
There's actually a few more projects that I've seen as well involving the "invisibility cloak" concept. Although, I wish they wouldn't use that reference. Invisibility refers to what can be seen (or not seen) by the naked eye and "cloaking" really refers to making something undetectable to microwaves (radar). Using the term invisibility cloak is just trendy, but it really doesn't describe the intent of the project being worked on a lot of times. I guess the ultimate goal is achieving both…but as of now, that's a pretty tall order.
Alicat- You said "Didn't you see the credited reference to Ashley in the IOP's Journal? It's a done deal!" I don't know what the "IOP's Journal" is. What did she say?
Oubliette- "Now the Soviets have been replaced by the Chinese…" I would kind of agree. If I were to make a Top Three list of biggest enemies, I'd go 1) Our Own Economy, 2) China, 3) N. Korea. If we can defeat all the problems facing our economy, then I'm not worried so much about any other country. 
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