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11:42 am
October 19, 2009
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alicat
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Okay, I admit, I didn't see this one coming. Apparently the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is being jinxed from the future to save the world. Danish physicist Dr Holger Bech Nielsen and Dr Masao Ninomiya from Japan are claiming the LHC startup "has been delayed due to nature trying to prevent it from finding the elusive Higgs boson, or "God particle"."
You can read the article here.
Apparently, for some scientists, it's all in the math. 
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11:55 am
October 19, 2009
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Angelayo1970
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Well, Stephen Hawking predicted last year that the LHC wouldn't work. And from what I understand, he's pretty smart.
I'm not sure what they mean though, about their math showing that nature will "ripple back in time" and prevent the LHC from creating the God particle. But then, for an accountant, I'm not very good at math!
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"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei
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12:10 pm
October 19, 2009
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blinddog
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Maybe some things aren't meant to be known.
Remember: God is dead..Nietzsche, Nietzsche is dead..God.
It would make a good water slide though.
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Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.
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12:46 pm
October 19, 2009
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"While it is a paradox to go back in time and kill your grandfather, physicists agree there is no paradox if you go back in time and save him from being hit by a bus," Dannis Overbye wrote in the New York Times.
"In the case of the Higgs and the collider, it is as if something is going back in time to keep the universe from being hit by a bus."
I'm going to have to disagree with this logic. For something to ripple back from the future, that future has to exist in the first place. If that future exists, then the universe did not get hit by the bus. How do you go back in time from a future that was destroyed because of something in the past, thus not allowing that future to exist?
Sample of Overbye's math test from high school where he proved that 1 equals 2:
a = b
a^2 = a*b
a^2-b^2 = a*b-b^2
(a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b)
(a+b) = b
a+a = a
2a = a
2 = 1
For the non-math people, look at the fourth and fifth steps…the only thing proved is that infinity = infinity.
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8:01 pm
October 19, 2009
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Learjet
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Nosfer said:
How do you go back in time from a future that was destroyed because of something in the past, thus not allowing that future to exist?
Well… um… see… um…
I have a headache.
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5:27 am
October 20, 2009
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blinddog
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Learjet,
Looks as though 'someone' had a lot of pocket protectors in their past.
Just sayin'.
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7:04 am
October 20, 2009
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Angelayo1970
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If Dustin Pari can call himself the paranormal rock star, I think Nosfer can rightfully declare himself a Math Rock Star…
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7:20 am
October 20, 2009
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blinddog
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(Pssst, Nosfer had the teacher's copy with the answers in the back).
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7:32 am
October 20, 2009
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Nosfer
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Looks as though 'someone' had a lot of pocket protectors in their past.
You laugh now but just wait until the first time you have a fountain pen explode in your pocket or jam it through the bottom!!! :)
blinddog said:
(Pssst, Nosfer had the teacher's copy with the answers in the back).
Course, this was back in the day when teachers were actually supposed to know what they were teaching rather than just go through the motions lol
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7:47 am
October 23, 2009
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Drache Frau
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Yes, but what if the futures past had interference from their future? Like with the bus concept. You can say that a man going back in time to save his grandfather from a bus doesn't make sense because the man already exists, but what if that man knew that his grandfather was saved from a bus by a stranger from the future? Then, he has to go back to save him, or time would change and he wouldn't exist in the same way. Wouldn't any sort of past or future interference make a continuous round that if changed would alter everything?
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7:52 am
October 23, 2009
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Nosfer
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So, I wonder if the Man's Grandson could go back in time to a point after which the Man had kids but BEFORE he went back in time to save _his_ Grandfather, and kill him?
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8:26 am
October 23, 2009
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Drache Frau
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But that would still affect the future, unless he granfather had also been murdered by the same strange future guy who saved him. Now how would the police solve that case? Now, if he never went back in time to save his grandfather like he was supposed to, what would eventually happen to him? He already exists because somewhere in the past, his future, he had gone back to save his grandfather. Would he just disappear? Or would some strange occurance happen, like his mother remarried and had him? How far would his future go to make sure that he continued to exist? And what about the order of the universe? Would it interfere to keep everything in line? Or would time just keep waiting for him to travel back in time? And if he never did, what about his son? Perhaps his son would then be able to travel back in time to save his great-grandfather. So much to think about…
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8:40 am
October 23, 2009
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Nosfer
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Drache Frau said:
So much to think about…
Yup :) Reminds me of Thurman's line in Final Countdown:
For Chr**t's sake! What is this, some half-*ssed Princeton debating society? We are in a war situation! This is a United States warship! Or, at least, it used to be. Or will be. Or what the h*ll ever! Oh, Go*****t, you can drive yourself crazy just trying to think about this stuff!
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8:46 am
October 23, 2009
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You could always take a line from a book series that I read.
Time is like a river. You can through a pebble in it and it causes ripples, but the course of the river remains unchanged.
Perhaps, no matter the alterations, it will still stay the same.
*that's me trying to sound wise…again*
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8:52 am
October 23, 2009
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Could very well be…to quote again, this time Cmdr Owens:
I have a suspicion history will be a little more difficult to beat, than you imagine Mr. Lasky.
Or there was a movie "Running against time" where a guy tries several times to go back and save Kennedy. He shoots Oswald and then gets himself shot by Ruby in one case, there are several other alterations of the timeline that lead to even worse disaster and ultimately the inventor of the time machine goes back and stops him from doing anything at all thus preserving the natural order of the universe.
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9:09 am
October 28, 2009
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11:57 am
November 6, 2009
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alicat
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1:53 pm
November 6, 2009
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Learjet
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Geez… looks like a giant stargate. Must be a great toy for some bored scientists. I wonder how much EMF it creates? 
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4:40 am
November 21, 2009
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alicat
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Learjet,
Not sure about the EMF created but it's baaaaaaaaaaack. Check it out here.
Here is a very interesting link which is an introduction and guide to the science, engineering and computing of the LHC.
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