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12:56 pm
November 25, 2008
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CrowTRobot
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Got this from a thread started by Wes. But I wanted to start a new one regarding this link:
Top 10 Alien Encounters Debunked
Ironically, as I was watching "Is It Real?" on crop circles last night, I thought about opening a thread.
Now, I'm not so sure I'm ready to hand it to the aliens, but I also have a hard time believing they are all man-made hoaxes. I find it difficult to believe that all these people are creating all these shapes and (1)never get caught, or (2) that every design is perfect the first time. I've never seen a program show incomplete or crappy first tries. The only ones I've seen are (seemingly) perfect and, some, incredibly intricate.
So…….I don't know. Is there a third, or forth, or….. possibility? Opinions?
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1:44 pm
November 25, 2008
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Logisti
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Clearly the use of a piece of rope-as-compass to create perfect circles and related symmetry is genius in simplicity, as well as the stomp-boards to push the crops down evenly all in one direction, so this means it's a very accessible thing to copycat but what impresses me the most is the complexity of some of the designs that have been confirmed as hoaxes. These folks clearly planned, designed and essentially engineered such projects in their spare time. If some people are putting in the time and effort to do that, then I would expect there are a LOT of copycats working at a more amateur level (doing simpler designs).
As for "failed attempts", that's a good question I hadn't thought of. I've heard a lot of the "actual" crop circles go unreported by farmers who can't be bothered or just assume it's "those damned kids", so perhaps the "failed attempts" go unreported too, since they are more obviously man-made. That being said, with a piece of rope, a wooden board and a little know-how it would seem you'd almost have to go out of your way to make a mistake; like using a compass to draw a perfect circle, it's easier than easy — and if somehow a mistake was made you could always make the circle a little bigger to cover it up, etc. That's my thinking, anyhow.
EDIT: On a similar vein, I think the Nazca lines in Peru are fascinating because they don't have the symmetry of many of these crop circles. It would be a whole other level of difficulty to create something like that at ground level.
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2:13 pm
November 25, 2008
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Wes
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Somewhere, sometime, somehow, I remember seeing pictures of poorly executed and unfinished crop circles — I think in southern England — which were later determined to be some of the admitted hoaxer's failed attempts. Of course, the unimpressive circles don't get the press: "Crappy crop circle found in local field" 
… and after 20 minutes of Web searching, many mentions of unfinished circles, but no photos. There are an amazing number of crop circles, however, with corporate logos, nods to pop culture and truly amazing designs …
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"The truth shall bear all light."
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8:06 pm
November 25, 2008
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CrowTRobot
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Wes said: …"Crappy crop circle found in local field"
lol………report at 10:00
Wes went on to rub my face in it: "… and after 20 minutes of Web searching, many mentions of unfinished circles, but no photos. There are an amazing number of crop circles, however, with corporate logos, nods to pop culture and truly amazing designs …"
I honestly had no idea…..
I need to get out more.
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7:17 am
November 26, 2008
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Wes
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Esteemed Robot,
I do remember the "crappy" crop circles, but I also didn't realize how intricate they are getting now until the referenced Web search … I, too, had been too busy pondering ghosts and bigfoot and jacket tugs and man's inhumanity to man to pay attention to croptology.
Had no intention of "rubbing" said face in a crop circle, as it were  … if anything it just proves my wife's point about having too much time on my hands …
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2:15 pm
November 26, 2008
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Oubliette
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So many crop circles are truly works of art. Making a canvas of a wheat field and then creating such beauty–you would think the artists would want to take credit for it. But then, they would get in trouble for destroying crops and hauled into court.
The Nazca lines represent beauty in simplicity. After going through my weird stage when I was caught up in the idea that they were made to impress aliens (yes, Von Daniken started me on that route), I've come to appreciate them for what they probably are–drawings on a huge scale to invoke and honor the gods who dwelt in the sky. Through the years I've come to realize that so many people find it hard to acknowledge that ancient peoples actually had the intelligence and skill to create such masterpieces without the help of aliens.
The pyramids of Egypt stand as testimony to the abilities of people who lived over 2,000 years ago, who were able to plan and execute magnificent edifices that still fascinate us today. I still laugh when I come across someone here and there on the internet who claims that we don't know "what magical forces were used to build the pyramids". We now know how they were built, and the truth is so much more mesmerizing then any outlandish theory. Heck, they even found the papyri listing the workers who called out on a particular day and the reasons why. One fellow had to help mummify his brother-in-law; another simply had a bad hangover (how little things change!).
It boggles my mind that people can accept the fact that builders from medieval times could erect breathtaking cathedrals but those in Ancient Mesoamerica or Egypt were not capable of erecting these monuments which have stood the test of time.
Sorry got off base but I love looking at crop circles and their beautiful complexity. And no aliens either; well, as far as we can tell.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
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10:17 am
April 14, 2009
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Hannah
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I live on a farm, have not had any crop circles. Maybe hard to make in corn, maize or cotton. Or simply no artists in my neck of the woods.
I want to say that I saw or read that some of the plants were not damaged, no stems broken, and will continue to mature. A lot of UFO sites use this as the "proof" they are not man-made.
In a brief search found in Massachusetts they have been researching "More than 250 individual crop formations from multiple countries, over a 10-year period were examined in-depth."
http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.html
AND if I ever get a crop circle, I know where to report it.
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3:47 pm
April 14, 2009
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Wallydraigle
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It's not as if people never get caught making them either. We don't tend to hear about it in the US, because it's not "cool" news, but it happens. It's not really surprizing that people tend to not get caught making them anyway. It's night time, everyone is in bed, so simply be where other people aren't, ie: in a wheat field, and you can not get caught doing pretty much anything.
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1:36 am
April 15, 2009
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Revenant
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Hannah said:
AND if I ever get a crop circle, I know where to report it.
Why wait for the aliens to come? That could take forever…
http://www.circlemakers.org/index.html
There's even an "Introduction For First Timer's" section that includes an easy to follow "Beginner's Guide!" 
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3:44 pm
April 15, 2009
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Hannah
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Why wait for the aliens to come? That could take forever…
http://www.circlemakers.org/index.html
There's even an "Introduction For First Timer's" section that includes an easy to follow "Beginner's Guide!" 
Thanks. Looks like a lot of hard work, but then, maybe PS could come and Chip could communicate with the aliens. Look y'all, I'm on TV!
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6:55 am
April 16, 2009
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Oubliette
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Revenant said:
Hannah said:
AND if I ever get a crop circle, I know where to report it.
Why wait for the aliens to come? That could take forever…
http://www.circlemakers.org/index.html
There's even an "Introduction For First Timer's" section that includes an easy to follow "Beginner's Guide!"
Wow, this certainly burst my bubble about these circles perhaps having something to do with the Earth's EMF. I thought that, after all, look at the beautiful designs of snowflakes. There may be something going on here that is perfectly natural but just as lovely.
Now I realize how naive I was. That website shows just how professionally this can be done by mere mortals, and very artistic too. However, I'm sure the farmers don't appreciate this beauty.
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7:13 am
April 16, 2009
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Now, I just wish the ancient Egyptians had a website we could go to where they would show some of their skills and start to lay to rest the alien nonsense about the pyramids!
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5:09 pm
April 16, 2009
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Hannah
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Oubilette: "However, I'm sure the farmers don't appreciate this beauty.
I appreciate the beauty, and part of our income is derived from farming, but I get your drift. Most farmers carry crop insurance.
Now, if a farmer found strangers in his field, they might find themselves staring at a shotgun barrel. Then arrested for trespassing and damage to personal property. You would not have to flatten that much for it to be considered a felony based on the value of the crop.
I can just see the scene at the local jail:
Inmate: "Hey, buddy, what are ya in for? Me, I just kicked someones a** for looking at my girlfriend."
New Guy: "Hmm. . ."
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9:27 am
June 4, 2009
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Mary
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"Quando omni flunkus moritati" ("When all else fails, play dead") – Possum Lodge motto. Jason and Grant should adopt it as their own.
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10:13 am
June 4, 2009
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Mary,
Thanks for the link. It is really amazing and beautiful and congratulations for them calling the police. Hopefully they caught those responsible. As Hannah (and these individuals) stated, as farm owners they are not happy with this type of situation and even though it may be beautiful, these trespassers don't think of the ramifications to the farmers who put their hard earned time and money into producing product for the market and income and jobs for others. Now if only these trespassers would just harness that energy and skills into being productive individuals…..
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11:58 am
June 25, 2009
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Revenant
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When going through news websites and such, there are just some links that you just can't pass up. When the title reads " 'High as a kite' Wallabies Blamed For Crop Circles"…well, you just can't pass that up:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31539546/ns/world_news-weird_news
Perhaps Learjet can add this to his ever increasing list of impressive hobbies…keeping the wallabies out of the opium poppy fields…at the very least, it would explain why he's spending so much time in the opium poppy fields…recording "earth sounds"…yeah right! 
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1:32 pm
June 25, 2009
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Mary
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Krazy Kangaroos Creating Crappy Crop Circles…..
(All right. So it's actually a wallaby. Poetic license.)
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"Quando omni flunkus moritati" ("When all else fails, play dead") – Possum Lodge motto. Jason and Grant should adopt it as their own.
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3:47 pm
June 26, 2009
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Learjet
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I didn't even know about that…. but it explains much about Tasmanians.
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