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2:00 pm
May 5, 2008


iwanttobelieve

Investigator in Training

posts 25

I unfortunately don't remember exactly where I read this story, but I believe it was in the New Yorker magazine sometime last year – possibly the Halloween issue? Anyway, I'll give the abstract of the story, because it's great:

It centered around an American family in the mid-19th century who believed that their home was haunted. They saw all sorts of horrifying apparitions, heard sounds, smelled awful smells, and even felt as though they were being tied down to their beds by an evil, cackling spirit. Every time that they left the house and stayed elsewhere, of course, the attacks stopped. Believing that their home was doomed, they allowed a doctor who had a theory to come into their home and spend a night observing.

After much observation, the doctor's theory was proven correct: he found a leak of gas in a pipe in the basement (possibly CO2, I don't remember, unfortunately). The gas – and ONLY the gas – had been causing ALL of the "haunting" symptoms that the family had experienced. The leak was repaired, and after the house had been deemed safe to return to, the family moved back in and never reported another "ghostly" happening again.

This goes down in history as my favorite debunking story, although I'll have to track it down to get all of the details!

"The truth is out there." -FM

6:16 pm
May 5, 2008


Robbin

Investigator in Training

posts 12

I love that story and it goes along with some of the good debunking that GH does. They are good about looking for high EMF readings, issues with pipes and contaminates. You never know what can cause people to experience things.

11:06 pm
May 6, 2008


Stephen

San Jose, CA

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posts 589

I remember hearing the same story– possibly on NPR. The gas in question is carbon monoxide. A little digging turned up a page that quotes the original article:

http://www.ghostvillage.com/resources/2004/resources_10312004.shtml

Carbon monoxide can do far worse than cause ghost sightings– it can make you a ghost yourself. I think it's important to make sure that anyone who reports a ghost encounter to you has their gas company check their house for carbon monoxide levels. Normally they'll do this for free. It won't be the cause of the paranormal experience in most cases, but if it is, you might be saving someone's life.

Thanks very much for bringing that up, iwanttobelieve. Studying the paranormal is one thing, but making sure people are safe is even more important.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

11:50 am
May 7, 2008


iwanttobelieve

Investigator in Training

posts 25

It was NPR – that's right – it was "This American Life" or one of the show's Halloween edition! Thanks, I was wondering where on Earth I'd heard that. They also had that horrifying story about the kids who were picked up by the completely scary people in a car and were driven in circles over and over and over again until the kids finally jumped out and ran…and the people chased them into a graveyard but the kids got away…no paranormal there (except the cirlce thing was really freaky), but terrifying all the same!

"The truth is out there." -FM

9:54 pm
January 2, 2009


A Adams

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I don't know if this topic falls in the explained or the unexplained thread, thus my question. Does anyone have any good information on the Brown Mountain Lights phenomenon. I have found very little and just a couple of photos online. Has a definite cause been found and proven or not? Has anyone here ever seen them? Any good photos out there anywhere? i heard they may be "gas" related so I put it here, if this was a hijack just move it.

thanks

9:11 am
January 3, 2009


KidSkeptic

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A Adams said:

I don't know if this topic falls in the explained or the unexplained thread, thus my question. Does anyone have any good information on the Brown Mountain Lights phenomenon. I have found very little and just a couple of photos online. Has a definite cause been found and proven or not? Has anyone here ever seen them? Any good photos out there anywhere? i heard they may be "gas" related so I put it here, if this was a hijack just move it.

thanks


Looking up brown Mountain Lights on wiki, it says these lights where passing trains or car headlights that were mistaken for paranormal

10:26 am
January 3, 2009


A Adams

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Thanks, could be, there are a lot of theories, but what I read  left the impression there was no definitive answer. And I wondered if there were any recent scientific studies, as they had done in the past. Sorry, I don't always trust Wiki 100%, but that is just me. I wondered if anyone has seen them personally and what theories might or might not make sense to them? thanks

3:24 pm
January 3, 2009


Leslie

Investigator

posts 157

A Adams- I couldn't recall what I had heard about the Brown Mountain Lights , so I googled it and came across this site..  http://shadowboxent.brinkster.net/brownplasma.html

It dates back to Nov. of 2004, so if you have already seen it, I apologise, but I found it an interesting read so far.  I haven't finished it yet, but it seems that they believe the lights to be some form of plasma.

6:06 am
January 4, 2009


A Adams

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Thanks Leslie, interesting article, I remember reading it. The lights really intrigue me. I thought I had read that the phenomenon was spoken of by early Native Americans and some early white men and therefore too long ago to be caused by headlights as Wiki stated. But as far as the article I am too ignorant to know whether what they are saying (methods/technology) sound plausible or not. With all of the debunking that is discussed here anyone have any comments on it? I know plasma is a know scientific state of matter and can be proven and the effects seen. Maybe I'll have my chem major son read it and see what he thinks.

thanks

12:17 pm
January 5, 2009


Dedicated_Dad

Investigator

posts 64

This is VERY interesting – thanks for sharing!

My ancestors are "mountain folk" (that-there "billy" word'll getcha hurt if'n y'ain't one o'em) and Mom grew up on a pretty serious slope herself…

She's told a story my whole life about "ball lightning" coming in through her (open) window, basically following the route around the iron bed-frame, and going out the other window.  It singed the sheets, she says they caught on fire and she put them out…  I'll be the first to admit that Mom – though she's my mom and I love her – well…  Let's just say she's got the whole six-pack but seems to have misplaced that plastic thing that holds them all together…  Wink  She's not exactly what one might consider a "credible witness" about SOME things…  This, to me, always seemed to be one of them.

Her Brother (my uncle) lived thousands of miles away, I never really knew him until I was in my 20's.  Unlike Mom, he's "wrapped" about as "tight" as anyone could be – a highly intelligent, educated man with a firm grasp on reality.  We've become close in the last half of my life, we talk on the phone often…  He's like I wish my Dad would be, and in a lot of ways I think I'm like he wished his son would be – we're pretty close…

The "ball lightning" subject came up in one of our conversations a while back.  I was suprised when he said she was telling the absolute truth – that it did happen, exactly as she said.  He was there, and described it almost exactly as she had, minor discrepancies IMHO adding credibility to the tale.  He described it clearly, and further said that (with his EE knowledge and career) he has no doubt that it's a plasma phenomenon. 

He said it did come in the window, travelled around the iron head board, up one side of the frame, then around the foot-board of the bed before going back out the window.  Apparently it really burned the bedding, so much so that Grandpa beat him for it – not believing their tale of ball-lightning and instead thinking they'd been careless with a candle/bed-warmer or "playing with fire"…

Knowing these people as I do, it's easy to dismiss Mom's tale (frankly) but when Unc corraborates it, I have no question that it happened exactly as he says.  This man worked on huge hydro-electric dams, and retired as "chief" of the huge .gov agency that runs them in one section of the US.  He's as "credible" as a witness could possibly be, and has seen enough plasma (gigawatts!) in a long career to know what it looks like.

I think the "lemur" folks probably have it nailed, their explanation seems to me to be perfectly credible.  They may be off on some fine detail, but I've no question their explanation would stand up to any further testing.

I hope someone finds something interesting in my rambling, here – Thanks again for sharing!!

DD

3:02 pm
January 5, 2009


A Adams

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My son read the article and he too said that LEMUR's claims are perfectly plausible and either they are right on the money or very very close. He said he is a chemist (almost Smile) not a plasma physicist so he had just a couple of questions from the article that he just didn't know for sure if what they were saying was true or not. But he loves chem and bio and physics and was highly intrigued and loved the article and appreciated the years of work they did. We can't wait to schedule a trip to see them, though we realize their appearance isn't guaranteed.

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