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9:17 pm
September 22, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

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One day, back in high school, I was walking across a grassy field and saw a playing card lying face-down on the grass ahead of me. I said to myself, "If it's the ace of spades, I'm psychic." I approached the card and picked it up.

It was the ace of spades.

This boggled my mind. That's a 1-in-52 chance! Then I realized that this wasn't an isolated incident. I was fascinated by the paranormal. Without really realizing it, I'd made a habit of making a prediction and saying to myself, "If this comes true, I'm psychic" whenever I was doing something chance-related. One of them had to come true eventually. I continued this little habit of mine for a few years more. Never happened again.

Pity. Vegas would have been a lot of fun with that ability.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

6:26 am
September 23, 2009


blinddog

Special Agent Zombie Elimination Agency

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Stephan, good thing you lost your prognostication talent when you did.
If you had made it to Vegas you might have met two new friends named Guido and Benny The Blade that might have put a serious crimp in your psychic abilities.

Just sayin'

Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.

10:53 am
September 23, 2009


Queen of the Nerds

Orange County, CA

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Stephen, you are a true skeptic. Instead of running out and buying a lottery ticket, you test the theory for a few more years to disprove it, lol. I must not be as skeptical… I would have left 7-11 with confidence that my dollar was well spent and I was going to be a multi-millionaire the next day.

Next time you have a psychic moment… PLEASE, buy a lottery ticket for me.

If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hands.

12:30 pm
September 24, 2009


Mary

Pondering what you're pondering

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posts 147

One doesn't need to be psychic to win the lottery.  All one has to do is buy a National Inquirer and rub that magic blue dot over your ticket.  Since I have never actually done this, I have never won the lottery.  If that doesn't prove something, I don't know what does.

"Quando omni flunkus moritati" ("When all else fails, play dead") – Possum Lodge motto. Jason and Grant should adopt it as their own.

10:16 pm
September 25, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

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Actually, I guess my next psychic moment was kind of pivotal. I had been dating a lovely woman for a couple of weeks. I was at a movie theater without her and was walking across the parking lot, feeling lonely (she'd had other plans that day). I said to myself, "Universe! Please, I'd like to see her!" (I was kind of a pantheist at that point.) To my great shock, I looked up to see her walking across the parking lot! I'd forgotten her other plans also involved movies.

I've been careful not to ask the universe for anything since then. But then, I haven't had to. We've been married for seven years.

(She and I, I mean. Not myself and the universe.)

And yes, I should be skeptical about it, measure the odds, etc. But in this case, I think I'm OK with a little magical thinking.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

6:46 am
September 26, 2009


Drache Frau

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What do you guys think about dreaming things before they happen?

Ghost, n. The outward and visible sign of an inward fear.

10:28 am
September 26, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

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I haven't yet seen solid evidence for dreaming things before they happen. Most of what I've read is anecdote, which is interesting, but doesn't necessarily lead to actual evidence.

One problem is confirmation bias. For example, last week I woke up from a nightmare about a plane crash. I checked the news sites the following morning, half-expecting to see something about a crash since it was a vivid dream. If there had been a crash that night or the following day, it would have been another "ace of spades" moment. There wasn't, and if you hadn't asked the question, I probably would have forgotten about it in a few more days. So that's confirmation bias: remembering the hits and forgetting the misses.

Another problem is that dreams are slippery. They're hard to remember, and unless they're written down in the morning, it's easy to misremember when they occurred or their exact details.

Sometimes people interpret the feeling of deja vu as having experienced the current situation before in a dream. There are (too) many explanations on what causes deja vu, but it seems clear to me that deja vu is a neurological event not caused by actual knowledge of the future.

There have been studies that claim to show some kind of precognitive dream effect. I haven't looked into them yet. Add that to my to-do list.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

9:29 am
September 27, 2009


Drache Frau

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posts 74

Well, what if it happened to you on more than one occasion, but it's not always the next day, sometimes it'll be months after? And they're always the dreams that you actually remember. Example: say you have a friend in the military that is supposed to come back to the states in four months. One night you dream that they walk into your work and you hug them and say, "I thought you weren't supposed to be here for a couple months?" and they say, "I had to come early. They're sending me to Iraq and I wanted to visit home one last time before I go." and you two continue a conversation. You wake up remembering every detail of your dream, which is very unusual. You usually don't remember your dreams at all, probably because of your insomnia. So, you ignore it. Then, you dream it again a couple other nights out of the next two weeks. Your friend calls and tells you that their going to Iraq, but in five months, so there will be plenty of time for the planned visit. Then, one random day at work, your friend comes in and you're entirely surprised to see them. You hug them and they tell you that the date had been moved so that they have to leave for Iraq in a couple weeks, and that they wanted to visit home first. What about a situation like that?

Ghost, n. The outward and visible sign of an inward fear.

9:54 am
September 27, 2009


Queen of the Nerds

Orange County, CA

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posts 105

About 10 years ago, I dreamed that my grandma was sick with cancer and she was going to die soon. About a month later, she called and told us she had pancreatic cancer. She died about 12 weeks after my dream.

About 6 years ago, my other grandma had cancer also. We knew that she was not going to last very long but one night every time I feel asleep, I would wake up shivering. It was not cold in the room but my skin was ice cold and I couldn't get warm. I took a hot bath, put a ton of blankets on but never got warm. I found out from my parents the next day that my grandma had died that night.

I think that if you are close to someone it is possible to "feel" if something isn't right with them, IMO.

If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hands.

10:46 am
September 27, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

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posts 589

@Drache Frau–

It would depend on how well I'd documented the dream, I guess. If I had prophetic dreams and could use them to predict future events, then I'd start writing them down in great detail and sending registered-mail copies to myself if I believed they were prophetic.

But I'm going to assume that this was an experience you had. Of course, I can see how that would be a powerful experience, and I don't know if the cause is psychic or one of the other ideas I listed above. That's why I put on my cold-hearted skeptic hat and demand hard evidence. Without it I can't know one way or the other.

One thing that bothers me is that I have very vague memories of waking up on September 11th, 2001, from a dream about the Space Shuttle crashing into a building. Was the dream somehow tied to the attack? Did I actually dream it that night, or some other night before or after? I didn't write it down, so I don't know– and even if I had written it down, I was awakened by my fiancee calling to tell me about the attacks, so I wouldn't have had time before contamination. And even if I had… the list goes on.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

12:48 pm
September 27, 2009


Angelayo1970

Sysematically breaking all my new year's resolutions

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posts 162

I think the problem with being able to analyze a "dream" situation is that it is a 100% personal experience. Therefore, there is no way to document the occurrence other than taking someone at face value. Now, that's not to say that I don't believe that people have dreamed of events before they had taken place. Edgar Cayce had a fairly respectable prophecy record, if I'm remembering correctly, and I believe most of his visions came to him while he was dreaming.

I had what I think of as a "waking dream" experience (or as Tas referred to it, an auditory experience) that I documented and wrote about under the Possibly Paranormal forum. While I can say all day that it happened, that I know what happened and that I believe I was hearing events as they were taking place on the other side of the world, there is absolutely and unequivocably no way that I can prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. So regardless of how strange and bizarre it was, it can't really be classified as proof positive of the paranormal because there is no way to test it out scientifically.

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei

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