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12:31 pm
December 7, 2008


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

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Harry, I know you have recently mentioned the History Channel's show on Bigfoot.  I too saw that.

I've been around long enough to have gone through the Patterson footage as being-real-fake-real-fake-real.  I know that Patterson swore on his deathbed it was footage of a Bigfoot.  His partner, still living and who, if memory serves, appeared on the aforementioned show, corrected some fallacies that had been going on for decades.

It was always said that Patterson's horse reared up upon seeing the creature and that he fell off, quickly grabbed his camera and starting shooting.  But his buddy said that he had filmed that bit, and had gone into a small stream towards the animal, which then turned its head at the sound of him in the water, giving us that famous head turn.

If indeed the muscle movement analysis is correct, then this would lend credence to the theory that it is not human in origin but an actual unknown animal.  All the body proportions, stride analyses etc. seem to also point to a non-human primate.   On the negative side, the creature seems to have female breasts, but also a crest on the head; the latter associated with male primates. 

I haven't read the Long book, but am anxious to do so.  If the author has researched as stated, then this bit of film must be dubbed a hoax.  Just for the record, I never believed that guy and his family about his being the guy in the suit.  No offense intended, but they didn't seem, well, intelligent enough to pull something so sophisticated that has kept people guessing to this day.

I often speculate that perhaps we do have some type of Gigantopithecus roaming our planet.  That beast was huge, but enough time has passed to where it might have evolved into a smaller version, along with other changes.  Description wise, though, it seems to match more closely to the Yeti then to the Bigfoot on this side of the world.  The 300,000 years since its extinction really is not that far removed from our modern world, geologically speaking.

Hoaxers get under my skin for a variety of reasons, but mostly because if and when actual evidence is discovered, the discoverers would have to provide proof way beyond the usual, while also having to survive the ridicule that would invariably accompany the presentation of their findings.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

2:07 pm
December 7, 2008


SkepticalRader

California

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posts 38

Don't know if this link has ever been posted. My apologies if it has. If not, enjoy.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/files/mk_davis_pgf.gif

6:50 pm
December 7, 2008


Leslie

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posts 157

Logisti said:

Side note: I'm not sure if it was Lake Champlain or a different lake but some researcher caught what clearly sounded like echolocation on their hyrophones? What's that about? The only animals known to echolocate like that are cetaceans — sea mammals of the Dolphin and Whale persuasion, and there are none known to be anywhere near that lake.  If anyone remembers this investigation (I believe it was featured in a Monsterquest episode) please post the lake name because I can't be sure it was Champlain, but I'm certain it was in North America.

Yes, it was Lake Champlain. In  2003 they recorded sounds similar to Beluga whales and dolphins. I haven't found anything more recent about this.

3:47 am
December 8, 2008


Andy

Liverpool

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posts 101

I didn't realize you believed in BF Ms.L?

12:42 pm
December 8, 2008


J.

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Oubliette, you are talking about the sagittal crest.

According to this post by Loren Coleman on Cryptomundo, the crest occurs in some female primates too.

I also recall Grover Krantz once saying on a Bigfoot-related show that the sagittal crest isn't a gender characteristic but is instead a size one.

"Doubt everything. Find your own light." — Last words of Gautama Buddha, in Theravada tradition.

9:35 pm
December 9, 2008


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

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posts 574

J. said:

Oubliette, you are talking about the sagittal crest.

According to this post by Loren Coleman on Cryptomundo, the crest occurs in some female primates too.

I also recall Grover Krantz once saying on a Bigfoot-related show that the sagittal crest isn't a gender characteristic but is instead a size one.


For years, the fact that the creature in the film had a crest and also breasts had been used as an argument against its validity.  Thanks for the heads up on that.    Interesting website too!

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

10:37 am
December 10, 2008


DontBelieveButStillE

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A semi-interesting read from Skeptical Inquirer magazine on the footprint casts allegedly made at the scene of the original Patterson film site.

http://csicop.org/si/2008-06/dennett.html

It does raise some additional issues.

11:46 am
December 14, 2008


Oubliette

Igloo in NJ

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DontBelieveButStillE said:

A semi-interesting read from Skeptical Inquirer magazine on the footprint casts allegedly made at the scene of the original Patterson film site.

http://csicop.org/si/2008-06/dennett.html

It does raise some additional issues.


Thanks for the link.  I found the points made to be very salient.

I own a horse and have been around them for most of my life.  I can vouch for the fact that they leave very deep indentations, with or without horseshoes on.  The weight of an animal 800-1200 lbs. is carried by four hooves that are very small in relation to the weight and size of the animal.  Hence, the deep imprints.

That article really made me think.  Why would bigfoot imprints be deeper?  Of course, one has to take into consideration where it was made–type of soil, wet or dry etc., but it does make me rethink some of the pics of alleged bigfoots, and from now on I will pay attention to the underside of the casts.

If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France

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