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8:33 pm March 10, 2010
| darkeyes
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Just watched this episode tonight and I rather enjoyed it. The Flatwoods Monster is definitely one of the stranger cases out there, but I really liked the part where they studied the so called Starchild skull. If nothing else, the reconstruction of the skull as what the living person may have looked like was worth watching the show. I’m not calling it an alien or hybrid human, but it certainly looks stranger than a simple birth defect.
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11:55 pm March 10, 2010
| Kevin Neely
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Agreed 100%, and thought the starchild skull was the best evidence I have seen on any monsterquest thus far….
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4:05 am March 12, 2010
| Dr. Herbert West
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I don't know who created this post but March is the 3rd month, not the 5th.
So change the date of the episode to 3/10/10 from 5/10/10
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8:44 am March 12, 2010
| darkeyes
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Whoops, didn’t even catch that typo… I can’t change the topic title, so maybe the mods can change that to a 03.
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6:08 am March 15, 2010
| HollyDolly
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Sounds like it was a really good episode.I've heard of the Flatwoods Monster, but wonder what the connection to the Star Child skull is.I've seen photos of it, and it certainly would be a strange looking human.
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7:33 am March 15, 2010
| darkeyes
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I don’t really think there is a connection and I’m not really sure why they had the two subjects together on the same show. But I’m glad they took a look at the skull. Even a skeptic can’t ignore physical proof like that, although most dismiss the unusual skull as a birth defect.
They did present some other anomalies about the skull, such as the bone was thinner than a regular human skull but tested a little denser. Also they reported unusual fibers were intertwined in the bone structure, which I hadn’t heard before. And the facial reconstruction certainly raises one’s eyebrows, the person would certainly stand out in a crowd. Of course it’s all speculation, but at least this is something physical to study and not just another eyewitness report.
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11:02 am March 15, 2010
| Revenant
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I missed that show, but it will be playing again twice on this upcoming Wednesday, so…I'll make the effort.
However…
I am well acquainted with the "Star Child Skull." I find it quite odd that it was related to the "Flatwoods Monster." It should be very entertaining if they are saying that the monster is of alien origins. Always a fun twist.
darkeyes said: "Even a skeptic can't ignore physical proof like that, although most dismiss the unusual skull as a birth defect."
Hmmm…several things on this…
First, as a very poor champion of skeptics everywhere…I am quite uncertain that skeptics ignore any physical evidence. We may question the methods used in obtaining the physical evidence and we certainly will challenge the non-scientific conclusions drawn from physical evidence. Yet ignoring it smacks of "disbelief." As in "I will not entertain the thought of truth in said physical evidence because it cannot be true and I believe it to be untrue." In science, one's personal belief structure is immaterial. It comes down to what one can proof to be true. Which…leads me to my second point…
Do most skeptics "dismiss" the Star Child Skull as a 900 year old skull with a birth defect? Yeah, pretty much. Why? We have look at the analysis of the skull by experts. We also must take into account other reputable doctors who have looked at it. I am not qualified to make an assessment of the skull. I would think that many skeptics (and believers) lack the medical expertise to make that call.
So, where does that leave us? Well, BOLD, the forensic DNA lab in Canada pretty much proved that the skull was human in 1999. Many doctors have looked at pictures and have pointed to several very natural conditions that could cause the abnormalities. I'm pretty happy with the evidence against it. Should we dismiss the Star Child skull as an unusual piece of human history? Yep…pretty much.
Now this show comes along and introduces "new" evidence such as thinner bone density and unusual fibers. Ok. Let's wait for other reputable labs and doctors take a look at this new evidence and either confirm it or dismiss it as well. I'll watch the show and try to get the names of the people or labs doing this work and try to track them down and figure out what exactly they're doing (keeping in mind that MQ has a nasty habit of glossing over scientific data and method and delivering conclusions that may not be precisely what the original scientists or experts may have intended…).
But, as of today, I am prefectly content in dismissing the Star Child Skull. It's weird. It's strange. And it makes for great stories and theories for UFO people. Ok. But to me…just personally, I always feel a little sad when I see that skull. I see the skull of a child who must have been in great pain. And 900 years later, his (and yes, it was proven that HE was a human male…) skull is being lugged around all over the world and being hoisted to the heavens as a symbol of our pop cultural beliefs. It's quite disrespectful to the child, his family, and his culture…which no one really cares about because he was most likely Native American. Again…just disgraceful.
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11:06 pm March 17, 2010
| Revenant
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Hmmm…I watched a show today, but…no Star Child Skull. Soooo…I'm guessing the Hillbilly monster isn't the Flatwoods monster? I'm thinking that I'm getting my monsters confused.
Yet, I do have to give them points for figuring out what the picture from the camera trap was. In this episode, they shows a black mass that appeared to be sitting down in some brush. It kind of looked like a large ape or Bigfoot type of thing. Kind of an intriguing picture. Turns out…it was a picture of a crow (blackbird). The picture was snapped when it's wings were moving downwards while in flight. The photography expert did an outstanding job in figuring out what the picture was. All the other paranormal shows should hire this guy…
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7:39 am March 18, 2010
| darkeyes
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Yeah, different episodes. The Flatwoods Monster is pretty unique looking, crossing more into alien territory. I can understand the confusion over all the man-ape episodes, they had another new one on last night.
I know the episode you’re referring to though, and I thought that was a good job identifying that image as a bird too. I never would have guessed.
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12:32 am March 28, 2010
| Revenant
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Ok…I didn't have my "Thinking Cap/Cryptozoology Helmet/Alien Goggles" on properly. The instant they said West Virginia…I remember who and what the "Flatwoods Monster" was.
Which…essentially…is a reptile-humanoid floating about in an individual hover craft. Out in the woods…
So, you know…yeah…silly me for confusing it for "ape-men" type of creatures. I mean the hover craft alone tells us that we're dealing with something VERY special here… 
The part that stood out to me was the local Flatwoods Monster specialist guy. In the original account, the people associated with the incident smelled some sort of weird gas. Fifty years later, they're dying from cancer. Connection? Quite possibly he thinks. Sure. Of course. Absolutely. That must be it since cancer is so rare and really no one ever gets cancer. It must be that gas. You know…the gas that the people complained of. In West Virginia…you know, with all that mining and the kabillion miles of underground tunnels and shafts. Where could gas could have come from? Cancerous gas. Deadly alien cancerous gas that takes 50 years to work. Connection? You bet there is…
And then we have the Star Child Skull being connected to the Flatwoods Monster. Why? The best that I could tell is….why not? Never mind that the skull was found well over 1200 miles away. Ignore the fact that the alien in question is reptilian, of which the skull clearly shows no reptilian characteristics. And completely forget the fact that the "author" who owns the skull keeps ordering 8 kabillion tests on it, hoping something weird pops up because if you test something enough, some odd results may occasionally pop up. And if they do…you've got yourself a new book.
Once again, watching this "Flatwoods Monster" was great fun. Did it make any sense? Not in the least. Is there the slightest connection between the Flatwoods Monster and the Star Child Skull? Um….no. One is a story that lacks any physical evidence. The other is a human child's skull being used for profit. Great.
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4:29 am March 28, 2010
| blinddog
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The rev sez,
"Did it make any sense?"
None of the rehashed, remixed, regurgitated claptrap does any longer.
Think I'll start a Skeptical Laverne and Shirley Viewer.
Squiggy meets the criteria for paranormal.
His head was kinda' shaped like the 'Star Child'.
Probably has a W. Virginia connection also.
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Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.
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