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3:07 pm November 24, 2009
| Nosfer
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The team searches for evidence of an elusive supernatural being known as the "Shadowman" at a former hotel that now serves as an office building; the investigators hope to learn more about "Attachment Theory" at a possibly haunted antique mall.
From the description, at least, it looks like we might get to see them experiment more. Despite the negatives on their experiments, at least we do get to learn a few things from them and the show, so far, has not fallen into a worn formula.
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10:54 pm November 24, 2009
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I just wonder why they use the coin jammed in the K2 button. Seriously, how much would it cost to have someone solder in a push button or toggle switch? Then when the KII does go off, it looks more like random interference from an outside source, CB radio perhaps.
Maybe we can hold a web conference and ask some pseudo expert if the KII meter reduce so-called paranormal investigators in drooling bumbling fools when the lights go off.
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12:20 am November 25, 2009
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Hope the K-II doesn't reduce people to drooling bumbling fools. I bought one on a whim last week. It's been sitting next to my computer this whole time while I figure out what to do with it.
Wait a minute… that explains some of my posts! Get this thing away from me!
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7:29 am November 25, 2009
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Just did a quick look at the episode this morning (well, enough to see the K-II) and recoiled visibly when it got to where they hauled out that piece of equipment. I wonder why when we've see it introduced on these shows that it almost seems that it is being touted as a "step up" from what they were previously using for EMF?
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8:03 am November 25, 2009
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Oh I just luurve to bash the K-II meter. Haven't seen the episode yet, now I'm drooling at the chance, hehheh. To be fair to the meter though, other than the stupid switch, the meter works as intended. It's the ghost hunting operators that haven't a clue.
Edit, watched the episode. The K-II is about 8 inches from the video camera. So they tested it and reckon the EMF levels were insufficient to register. But, did they test the camera when zooming or focusing? The camera might be quiet normally, but even a tiny focus adjustment causes a spike, as shown in this spectrum graph by the horizontal lines.
http://yfrog.com/06capt0907090933j
Add to that they have an RF link to the lab trailer, and a busy road outside where any commercial two way radio from a passing vehicle could set it off. The wide band frequency blind K-II is very difficult to keep up with when trying to find triggers.
Just a comment about the hairs on their arms standing on end. I'm thinking psychological effects, but even if it was an actual electrostatic discharge, the K-II is not sensitive to those types of electric charges.
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10:23 am November 25, 2009
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Well they finally talk to someone who who they say actually is a paranormal reseacher, and has done years of research into the subject of renovations "fueling" paranormal activity.
So what do we get from this expert and his years of accumulated knowledge ?
" it seems like " – "it may be"
How about an expert saying something like " In my opinion …" ?
It appears that he is not ready to commit on IF renovations agitates Casper, but he does give us an interesting idea why – When Casper makes his rounds he is tripping over stuff and bumping into walls !
But when the Klingers first enter the building they are heard to say " right where there is supposed to be a ghost going down through the floor"
Did their expert debunk the reports, or do the reports trump the expert ?
On a side note the announcer gives us the theory of gunshot victims haunting the Winchester House.
My official US Government Document says – " The Winchester House is a sprawling 160 room house that the owner expanded continuousley for 35 years, feeling that if she kept building rooms for good spirits they would keep the evil ones away" … nothing about attempting to confuse Casper.
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10:30 am November 25, 2009
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The confusing ghosts idea on the Winchester house has been around for quite a while and seems to be the prevalent (not saying correct or incorrect, just prevalent) explanation of the bizarreness. I don't _always_ trust US Government Documents :) There appear to be more than one set of stories that the medium told her so which is right?
As far as the "expert" not saying "In my opinion…" it could be implied in his statements of "it seems like" and "it may be" At least he did not say "one of the theories that exists is that…." I don't know that I would commit on whether renovations do or do not agitate GHOSTS unless I had proof.
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10:39 am November 25, 2009
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Nosfer said:
I don't know that I would commit on whether renovations do or do not agitate GHOSTS unless I had proof.
I wouldn't either, but after hundreds of years of research you would think that there should be ONE fact, or even a generally accepted theory to surface.
BTW – I couldn't find any listing of any producer of thermal imaging equipment in Belleville WI , but I was able to find what seems to be the manual for it
http://www.raz-ir.com/razir.pdf
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1:47 pm November 25, 2009
| Angelayo1970
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I was actually pleased to see that they gave their thermal footage to the manufacturer for review and comment. Something some OTHER ghost hunters who shall remain nameless might want to do from time to time, but I digress. However, I couldn't help noticing that, when they were questioning him about what the "water bottle" shaped shadow could be or if he could explain it, he said "I can't" and was very abruptly cut off in the editing process when it was obvious he was going to expand on that "I can't". I wonder if it was "I can't, but…" (insert other logical explanation here).
So I'm giving this episode an A for effort and an F for creative editing.
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"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei
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4:52 pm November 25, 2009
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Angelayo1970 said:
I was actually pleased to see that they gave their thermal footage to the manufacturer for review and comment.
So I'm giving this episode an A for effort and an F for creative editing.
Well not really – there does not seem to be any manufacturer of thermal imaging in Belleville WI
The unit appears to be distributed from an outfit in Las Vegas, and it seems like it's actually produced in China.
http://www.guide-infrared.com/Content.aspx?lang=en&id=198
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7:27 am November 26, 2009
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Since the Donna Statements we have removed both GH and GHI from our Tivo schedule. We were close to removing them even before all of the fuss. They were so predictable and low-key that it was putting us to sleep. Jason has no enthusiasm at all and their formula is too predictable, IMO.
The Klinge Brothers, so far, are not predictable. We nearly fell off the couch when the younger brother started chasing the shadowman down the stairs. He is like a kid in a candy store. Whether or not you agree with their science you have to give them points for entertainment and what appears to be state-of-the-art equipment.
Ghost Lab has us hooked and we look forward to each new episode.
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"If you push something hard enough it will fall over" – Fudd's First Law
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9:14 am November 26, 2009
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Ghost Labs.
Bo and Luke Duke go ghost huntin'.
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Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.
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12:03 pm November 26, 2009
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The Doctor said:
Angelayo1970 said:
I was actually pleased to see that they gave their thermal footage to the manufacturer for review and comment.
So I'm giving this episode an A for effort and an F for creative editing.
Well not really – there does not seem to be any manufacturer of thermal imaging in Belleville WI
The unit appears to be distributed from an outfit in Las Vegas, and it seems like it's actually produced in China.
http://www.guide-infrared.com/Content.aspx?lang=en&id=198
It was the Thermography Energy Performance Center of Belleville MI, not WI ..
But still, in google, nothing comes up for that either.
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8:20 pm November 26, 2009
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Orion said:
It was the Thermography Energy Performance Center of Belleville MI, not WI ..
But still, in google, nothing comes up for that either.
Just a test to see who was listening 
Anyway … a few thoughts about that thermal -
As we know, the FLIR does not actually respond to temperature directly, but picks up the wavelength and intensity of the IR reaching it's lens as a representation of the surface temperature of a object.
So – the black "figure" we see must be opaque to IR since the waves coming from behind it do not penetrate it.
The multi-screen shot makes it appear that they had at least 9 IR cameras in their "electronic net" yet this Casper who should have shown up on it, managed to slip through undetected. … some net
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8:22 pm November 26, 2009
| Angelayo1970
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The Doctor said:
Angelayo1970 said:
I was actually pleased to see that they gave their thermal footage to the manufacturer for review and comment.
So I'm giving this episode an A for effort and an F for creative editing.
Well not really – there does not seem to be any manufacturer of thermal imaging in Belleville WI
The unit appears to be distributed from an outfit in Las Vegas, and it seems like it's actually produced in China.
http://www.guide-infrared.com/Content.aspx?lang=en&id=198
Thanks for doing the research on that Doc…very interesting! Wonder who their "thermal expert" really was???
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8:28 pm November 26, 2009
| Orion
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lol Doc..
I've got two snapshots, one of their shadowman, the other a cropped closeup of the frozen water bottle test.
With the exception of the backgrounds, and the fact that one water bottle has a slight rim around the neck (that could depend on the brand), I fail to see how these aren't totally identical!
 
 
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11:50 pm November 26, 2009
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Sure looks the same to me …
One has to wonder why the Klingers just didn't go back in there and try to lduplicate the shot.
I suppose after the guy shot down their other video by pointing out the box, they were not about to let him blow another one.
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