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Ghost LAb S01E03 Liar's club / New Orleans Mortuary

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8:59 am
October 21, 2009


Learjet

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This episode we see the bio-cam, a device that gets all sorts of information from a hand plate that measures temperature, perspiration and and electrical conductivity of the skin. Sounds a lot like an aura photography machine to me.

Then they travel to New Orleans where Brad gets scratched on the nexk by a spook. No really… It even has 3 claw marks.

The spook must then have sat down on the chair to rest as they found a peak EMF of 6.5 milligauss on the chair, with an AC EMF meter. Now you can say it Doc, Casper must  have been vibrating real fast as the spook is supposed to be stationary yet the AC meter is picking it up? So they travelled 900 miles to talk to fluctuations in the power grid. They could have stayed at home to do that.

OD'd on EMF

10:32 am
October 21, 2009


The Doctor

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At a quick search I was not able to find any info on the Biocam – someone have a link ?

Their theory is that the bad vibes are imprinted on the area and somehow have a effect on people who enter the area.

They take a baseline reading with their gadget in a different location so they have something to compare to.    So far so good.

Since the murders were supposedly in the same immediate area of the bar, they might have thought to take a second base at the location itself, but away from the "death spot".   This would allow them to be tested while they were effected by being "on the hunt" and in the dark which could account for what seems to be slightly elevated levels.

It appears that the rise in anger levels they they were hoping to see caused by the imprinting were not enough, so they abandon that aspect of the test and substitute asking Casper to go stand by the subject.  The baseline means nothing at that point.

Is their new theory that it is the presense of Casper next to a subject that will cause higher emotional levels ?

DUH … if you have a subject that believes in ghosts and you call one to go stand by them it's pretty obvious their emotional levels will rise.

I'll bet you could get the same result testing the Klingers by inviting one of the Lady Wrestlers to stand by them

10:39 am
October 21, 2009


Nosfer

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Their theory is that the bad vibes are imprinted on the area and somehow have a effect on people who enter the area.

It's an interesting idea and one with some merit, but I think the testing methods needs to be thought about a lot more than they apparently did! Would have been interesting to have a thermal on them at the same time too to see if the subject was changing temperature, maybe an ekg trace too? The test should have been blind as well, also bring in subject who had no idea about the room corner and see how their baseline changed.

I can't remember, did they do this at night or in daylight. Daylight should have the same bad vibes but you eliminate the subject maybe getting a bit more edgy because of the darkness.

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11:29 am
October 21, 2009


Angelayo1970

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I like how, after this experiment was a "success" (their words, not mine…) one brother says to the other "Dude…do you realize what we've just stumbled across here?" Like they made some earth shattering discovery or something! And this is after the brother had to start screaming and carrying on to get his aura to change to show "anger".

All in all, still not impressed with this show.

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei

12:55 pm
October 21, 2009


darkeyes

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I only saw a few minutes of this episode when they in the New Orleans Mortuary, so I’ll have to catch it again when they replay it.   I really didn’t understand how the bio-cam fully worked, I’ll need to research that devise some more.  Reminded me of an electronic mood ring.  One thing I came away with though, they sure did a heck of a nice job restoring that Mortuary!

12:58 pm
October 21, 2009


Nosfer

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And now that they've been featured on TV, maybe they'll be able to pay for the restoration LOL Kidding, kidding!! (maybe)

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1:33 pm
October 21, 2009


The Doctor

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Angelayo1970 said:

I like how, after this experiment was a "success" (their words, not mine…) one brother says to the other "Dude…do you realize what we've just stumbled across here?"


Looks like the Klingers stumbled badly with this claim -

Lets just say that their claim is true, this skin resistance reading box is able to read left over emotions in the air rather then left over hand sweat on it's sensor panel.

Energy that hangs around for 40 years and is strong enough to influence the living would surely have to be much stronger then Brad's pitifull little rant. 

Didn't they just prove that there is NO left over ax murderer bad vibes imprinted in that area ?

1:56 pm
October 21, 2009


Nosfer

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The Doctor said:

Didn't they just prove that there is NO left over ax murderer emotions imprinted in that area ?


No…I think they only "proved" (I use the term very loosely!) that the energy wasn't really affecting the biased human subjects too much, or at least not enough to be a definite yes that was above the base level of being in a creepy corner. Another thing, I bet "made up anger" (the Klingon brother screaming) is different than "real anger"

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2:03 pm
October 21, 2009


Nosfer

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Be interesting to hook up a random subject (with no knowledge of the place) with a few vital-signs monitors and just have him walk around the room. Be a bit difficult indoors but if you could tag each reading with a location you could then plot the different parameters spatially and color-code the line of travel based upon the value of the parameter. Be tricky but it COULD be done with GPS depending upon the configuration of the building.

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2:10 pm
October 21, 2009


blinddog

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Reminded me more of the machines you see in arcades that you put your hand on a plate, drop your quarter in and it tells you if you are a 'hot' lover or not.

The 'aura' colors could be too easily manipulated by a simple turn of a knob, change of sensitivity in the programming or any number of ways.
Like a certain FLIR image in Arkansas.
Woooo, Jason making psychic contact with little old man in chair.
Totally unexplainable….puhleeze.

Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.

2:13 pm
October 21, 2009


The Doctor

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Nosfer said:

The Doctor said:

Didn't they just prove that there is NO left over ax murderer emotions imprinted in that area ?


No…I think they only "proved" that the energy wasn't really affecting the biased human subjects too much, or at least not enough to be a definite yes that was above the base level of being in a creepy corner. Another thing, I bet "made up anger" (the Klingon brother screaming) is different than "real anger"


Watch it again … their big claim had nothing to do with if the energy was effecting the subjects – it was that Brad's outburst left an imprint and that the machine was able to directly read this imprint after he had gotten up.

Brad says " I moved away quickly and looked to see if I had left any kind of residual energy and sure enough I actually left a black void of energy right there in the corner "

Your bet is safe though – kind of like saying a made up friend is different then a real friend Smile

2:22 pm
October 21, 2009


Nosfer

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Brad says " I moved away quickly and looked to see if I had left any kind of residual energy and sure enough I actually left a black void of energy right there in the corner "

But how did that prove that there was NO leftover imprint from the ax murders? Okay, no imprint detectable with their setup (which we probably all agree was a bit inadequate and not a very good test, thus not conclusive by any stretch) I don't think they proved that there was NO bad vibe associated with the area, though. Or that there was one. I don't think anything was really proved with their rigorously controlled experiment (again, the terms rigorous and experiment are being used loosely lol)

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2:44 pm
October 21, 2009


TasCat

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 I did think the experiment was interesting, although as The Doc pointed out, I hope I got the right poster, they did forget to take another baseline at the site.  Taking one offsite was far more that J&G would have gotten around to doing, much less actually talk to an MD+Psychiatrist who doubles as a parapsychologist.  This was better than talking to the Achaeologist in Tombstone rather than a Geologist as they should have about the silver ore theory.  But that Tesla Coil they used sure blew the emf sensitivity theory out of the water with readings over 100 milligauss.  Well, at least for them… J&G who have gotten dizzy when it was like 3 in an attic in a recent rerun (Steve and Tango didn't), would have probably started foaming at their mouths.  But yeah, not taking that second baseline, obviously they are going to be tense when Casper is called out, especially if he has an axe.

 The second part testing fear in the mortuary, had my Mom fall asleep, she likes investigation, not theory testing evidently.  This makes me wonder if they are using the first few episodes to get across their version of tests so they are familiar in later episodes.  If so, this would be nice as we wouldn't have to have emf or evp explained every episode, like in GH.  So far, it seems they are working on their gadgets, rather than sitting down and listening or taping, coming away in the whole show with one evp in the Liar's club and two I think in the Mortuary, but no video or still photography evidence.  They do seem to debunk the magnetic strip door closings, although the Mortuary workers sure wanted to point out that they can't do that themselves, as they obviously can.  We have to take this with a grain of salt, being a "Haunted House IN a Haunted House", they could very easily have some set up on that part, since it's designed to scare.

 But I would really like to see these guys get down to investigating, rather than playing with their toys. On a side note, doesn't Brad Klinge kind of creep you guys out more than the other twin? Not to be mean or anything, but he looks a little twisted to me at times and was the better of the two to try and fake anger, looked like it kind of came naturally…maybe a little too much…eep.  But as Nosfer said in another post when talking about the "Shotgun" and In-Line set up of the emf/humidity/temp guages, this would be very interesting, especially if a ripple effect hit it, I am rewriting this part..but it would be great if that happened with some sort of visual capture of an anomaly. This was done in the Memphis investigation.

 But with the over-saturation of the television market now with Paranormal shows, I wonder if this one stands a chance.  I kind of hope it does, it's a little different, not catching something amazing at every site they go to so far…SO FAR.  I did have a thought, IF J&G bow out, I really wouldn't mind Josh Gates taking over, even though he likes Cryptozoology (Chase the Thunderbird tonight? OOOkay).  I like his sense of humor and he just comes off as a better host, if only he was hosting GH.  I still don't know if in the Mt. Fuji Suicide Forest, one of those Japanese guys played a trick on them or it was DT itself that worked that spooky image caught into the show or what, but it was a good show for a first time ghost hunt I thought.

Anyway, getting off track…got GH and DT to look forward to watching tomorrow (I have to save them to watch with my Mom). She still loves her Ghost Hunters, as long as I shut up and don't do debunking while the show is on!  Innocent Til Tomorrow Then! Smile

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3:17 pm
October 21, 2009


The Doctor

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Nosfer said:

Brad says " I moved away quickly and looked to see if I had left any kind of residual energy and sure enough I actually left a black void of energy right there in the corner "

 Or that there was one. I don't think anything was really proved with their rigorously controlled experiment (again, the terms rigorous and experiment are being used loosely lol)


Clearly they think that they have discovered something of importance relevant to what it was they were investigating. This appears to be that Brad's made up anger had imprinted itself on the environment and that the machine was able to display this.

Are you going with the idea that real anger would imprint itself differently on the environment and that thier machine was able to discriminate between the real and false and only display the false anger residual ?

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( Personally I'm going with the software leaving the computer generated "aura" on the screen too long …  Brad was looking at the now empty and black outline of where the clients head would be displayed in the combined image and calling it a "void" . He is ignorant or a fraud )

3:47 pm
October 21, 2009


Nosfer

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In a way, but not quite the way you suggest…I'm going with the idea that the two types of "anger" _are_ different and what was "caught" wasn't necessarily anything at all since it was based upon mock anger.

I don't think their machine was picking up his "false anger" and it certainly wasn't giving that precedence over "real anger" I lean more towards what you state below, although not with absolute certainty. Repeat experiments are requirements that none of these groups seem to understand.

If that is all the case, then nothing was proven either way…they didn't prove there was or that there wasn't an imprint left behind. The experiment was not set up adequately enough.

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4:19 pm
October 21, 2009


The Doctor

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Nosfer said:

In a way, but not quite the way you suggest…I'm going with the idea that the two types of "anger" _are_ different and what was "caught" wasn't necessarily anything at all since it was based upon mock anger.

I don't think their machine was picking up his "false anger" and it certainly wasn't giving that precedence over "real anger" I lean more towards what you state below, although not with absolute certainty. Repeat experiments are requirements that none of these groups seem to understand.

If that is all the case, then nothing was proven either way…they didn't prove there was or that there wasn't an imprint left behind. The experiment was not set up adequately enough.


Hmmm – I think our ideas are coming together 

If the machine was not picking up his false anger, and we don't see where it picked up any real anger – we clearly have no basis to determine that there would be any difference between the residual effects of either one – or even that there ARE any residual effects of either one based on what we have seen here.

Going back to what I said upthread – IF we accept their new claim of the machine reading energy after the fact, they have disproven the ax murderer bad vibes unless we further tweak it by going with false vs real anger imprints. 

( That's kind of like saying my machine detects ghosts, and when it just sits there I claim that – OH it's only female ghosts … that proves there are only male ghosts here - it dosen't pick up that frequency )

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The machine did not do what they hoped or expected, so on the fly they came up with TWO new claims for it and call it a success.

4:19 pm
October 21, 2009


Angelayo1970

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The Doctor said:

( Personally I'm going with the software leaving the computer generated "aura" on the screen too long …  Brad was looking at the now empty and black outline of where the clients head would be displayed in the combined image and calling it a "void" . He is ignorant or a fraud )


Doc, you said it. This is most definitely what the black "void" was. As for the ignorant or a fraud comment…well, I'd say someone being a fraud requires just a little more sophistication than these brothers are capable of, which only leaves one other option! Wink

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei

9:15 pm
October 21, 2009


M. Roget

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I'd never watched Ghost Lab before (had been avoiding it, actually), but recorded this ep because of their including the NOLA "Haunted" Mortuary, which I visited & liked a lot.  Lovely old mansion in an interesting, atmospheric neighborhood.  Are the Klinge Bros. always as excitable as in this ep? And scaring the crap out of your team members as an integral part of the investigation? Okaaaay.  All they needed to guarantee I'd delete after 1st watch was to include the old standby, "I jes' got me some ghostly scratches," an all time personal favorite popularized by GH.  Quick, get that camera over here before it fades!!!

Oy, what a show.  Did want a thorough tour of their trailer full of tech toys, though.

OT addendum:  just started watching the dvr of tonight's GH.  WTH, yet another Spalding Inn billboard shirt & I'm not yet past the ep's opening kicker.  

10:20 pm
October 21, 2009


Learjet

Australia

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Those scratches… the legs I can understand, but neck?

OD'd on EMF

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