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Ghost Lab s01e02 Tombstone Arizona

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5:13 am
October 14, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

You guys will lurve to hate this episode. This week the Klingon brothers visit Tombstone Arizona. I've never seen so many BS theories brought out in one episode… well except maybe on Ghost Hunters.

The speaker at the Birdcage Theatre, I found myself yelling at the screen. That speaker has to be rigged! It wasn't checked for internal electronics, yet they declare it was paranormal? Unreal.

Then there's the silver mine supercharging the city like a giant battery. Cough, choke, gag. Are these guys for real?

As if a lightning storm wasn't enough, they fire up a Tesla coil. This helps spirits manifest you see.

Scientific method used in this episode, zero.

OD'd on EMF

6:07 am
October 14, 2009


blinddog

Special Agent Zombie Elimination Agency

Moderator

posts 857

Learjet,
I agree with you completely.
I was watching the show with mouth agape.
When they brought out the Tesla Coil I said it's time for bed.
Stuck the dvd, 'Paranormal State, The Demon Investigations', in the player, it was more believable.

Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.

7:11 am
October 14, 2009


Angelayo1970

Sysematically breaking all my new year's resolutions

Investigator

posts 162

I'm curious why they didn't get nauseous, anxious and paranoid when they fired up the Tesla coil, since the EMF was off the chart! Tongue out

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei

7:39 am
October 14, 2009


hobart

Guest

Seriously-they couldn't climb up to inspect the speaker because it was structually unsound?  Why couldn't they pull the speaker off the shelf and at least show us that it didn't have power to it?  If I go all the way to Arizona to investigate ghosts and a disconnected speaker starts squaking at me you better believe I would have it off the wall and opened up.  Really, they could have just brought in their own speaker not connected to any wires and with no speaker box.  Jake should be able to use that just as easily as the one on the shelf. Then we might be able to see that it is indeed not connected and we might even see for ourselves that the speaker is moving.

7:45 am
October 14, 2009


dconlly

Investigator in Training

posts 20

Angelayo1970 said:

I'm curious why they didn't get nauseous, anxious and paranoid when they fired up the Tesla coil, since the EMF was off the chart! Tongue out


Well, it should be obvious that they had their EMF shot to make them immune to the EMF fields generated by the lightning strikes into the silver conductor that turns into a EMF/paranormal battery.

Do your paranormal duty, and get your your EMF shot today before you succumb to the EMF illness.

11:18 am
October 14, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

posts 488

Brad … just HOW does a speaker producing what appears to be feedback that you capture on video and audio "go down as a personal experience" ?

Even if it did not have a wire going off somewhere that your investigators do not bother to track down, it IS evidence, and it's up to you guys to find out if it's evidence of the paranormal or fraud.  Since the sounds were produced by the speaker in any case, you may want to explain how analysing them would tell you if they were paranormally produced or not.

… and that, plus what you consider a one-word EVP that has no relevance to the surroundings, has convinced you that the Birdcage DOES have paranormal activity going on ?

Why do I get the feeling that this group thinks professional wrestling is real ?

11:56 am
October 14, 2009


Angelayo1970

Sysematically breaking all my new year's resolutions

Investigator

posts 162

Why do I get the feeling that this group thinks professional wrestling is real ?


Because they LOOK like wanna-be pro wrestlers? Wink

I knew, as soon as the Birdcage employee (who I remember from the GA episode, telling Zak she'd been kissed on the cheek by a female apparition) said that sometimes "Jake" says hello over the speaker…I knew…I just KNEW they were going to get some kind of speaker activity! Seems odd that this phenomenon didn't get mentioned when either GA or GH investigated, though to be fair it may have been mentioned and been edited out, or perhaps it's a relatively new experience that's been taking place only recently. Still, that struck me as odd.

Either way…this show is such a joke. But THEY'RE SCIENTIFIC, BY GOLLY! THEY HAVE A TESLA COIL AND EVERYTHING!

Sad…too sad…

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei

12:39 pm
October 14, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

Learjet said:

Then there's the silver mine supercharging the city like a giant battery. Cough, choke, gag. Are these guys for real?


I loved that part.  Yes, silver is a great conductor for electricity.  Yet…I'm somewhat at loss at how that explains any paranormal phenomenon.  A clear connection was never established.  I can propose a theory that tumbleweeds draw the ghosts because it establishes an "era cue." Undecided  I have just as much evidence that tumbleweeds are the main attraction to ghosts as they have for silver attracting ghosts….mainly none. 

Also, silver is just not laying around in abundance in the rest of the country.  There are not silver mines every couple of miles throughout the US.  If you go with this "supercharged" theory and say it is true (just say it is)…then how do you explain the other 98% of the supposed hauntings going on in other locations without silver?  Do they actually know that if they prove this theory correct…then they are essentially negating almost every other haunting in the country?  I mean, most other locations are not "supercharged."

Now, let's talk about that "shadow man" that they caught on film.  After they went crazy over it (and rightly so because I'm a huge fan of seeing shadows while using flash photography…Undecided ), they appeared to be going back to verify the location.  I was actually impressed by this for a second.  And it was an awfully quick second when I began to realize that they were trying to find the location of a photograph taken years ago instead of their shadow man.  A couple of things on this.  First, um…why aren't you verifying the location of the shadow man again?  Second, that old photograph…they said it has never been debunked.  I swear I remember reading something that it had been.  Can anyone verify that?

And please…someone…ANYONE…for the love of God…can we get one of these paranormal teams to use higher end audio equipment to verify the lower end crap recorders that they use?  I'm not talking about during the evaluation either.  I'm talking during the EVP sessions themselves.  Using a $35 recorder tweaked up with "white noise" in the background is one thing.  Verifying it, as it happens, with high end equipment is something else entirely.  I don't want to hear the standard "mumbo-jumbo" about how a ghost can only work its magic on one piece of low end gear.  If an entity is saying something in a different frequency, superior audio equipment should be able to pick it up infinitely better than a "Radio Shack special."  Of course, if the superior audio equipment doesn't pick up anything…well…so much for your "A" grade EVP's, eh? 

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

4:38 pm
October 14, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2957

If that was a Class A 'EVP' I'd hate to hear how unintelligible one of their 'Cs' would be…."germumf?" "This clearly states, 'give me a whiskey, pardner'"

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5:23 pm
October 14, 2009


Angelayo1970

Sysematically breaking all my new year's resolutions

Investigator

posts 162

I think what it actually says is "EVP's are a bunch of crap", Nosfer! Tongue out

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei

6:12 pm
October 14, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

The EVPs in episode 1 were better. This episode they were garbled.

So looks like the best evidence will be in the first and last episodes with the middle stuff class F evidence.

I can't help but wonder at the money outlaid in computer equipment in the trailer. Yet the equipment they actually investigate with is basement bin. Low end EMF meters and low quality DVR's'.  Me thinks there are holes in their "electronic net".

OD'd on EMF

6:28 pm
October 14, 2009


rjlaman

Investigator

posts 35

Learjet said:

You guys will lurve to hate this episode. This week the Klingon brothers visit Tombstone Arizona. I've never seen so many BS theories brought out in one episode… well except maybe on Ghost Hunters.

The speaker at the Birdcage Theatre, I found myself yelling at the screen. That speaker has to be rigged! It wasn't checked for internal electronics, yet they declare it was paranormal? Unreal.

Being an audio guy I was yelling at the screen too!!!!!!! They admitted to seeing a wire coming from the speaker down the wall. 

Heres a question….. Why not disconnect the speaker, bring it down, bring it to the lab and open it up. 

And what about "control" over your investigation?? There a woman sleeping in the backroom who could only gain from making noises in the Birdcage to keep the bar stools filled with customers! 

Of Course the speaker got louder as you got closer… She was trying to get you to not disconnect it!!

Wheres the science here ? ?

>>Sorry for the rant<<

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." NEMESISLABS@AOL.COM

6:29 pm
October 14, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

posts 488

I'm amazed that they can measure a  EVP recording at 16.4 Hz  when the recorder does not go anywhere near down that far in response.

This should be interesting … if they truely believe that firing up that Tesla coil made the shadow man jump up and take notice 1/2 mile away, then they should be cranking it up on EVERY investigation.

Funny that one of the Klingers says " I'm gonna try to find a silver expert" … and winds up talking to a archaeologist  whose "… particular skills include spatial analysis, shell matrix excavation, tribal consultation, burial recovery and assessment, and mediation."  http://www.draytonarchaeology.com/pages/staff.php

But like he concludes " then you've really got something going there"

Just WHAT is going there, he dosen't bother to explain.

6:32 pm
October 14, 2009


rjlaman

Investigator

posts 35

Being an audio guy I was yelling at the screen too!!!!!!! They admitted to seeing a wire coming from the speaker down the wall. 

Heres a question….. Why not disconnect the speaker, bring it down, bring it to the lab and open it up. 

And what about "control" over your investigation?? There a woman sleeping in the backroom who could only gain from making noises in the Birdcage to keep the bar stools filled with customers! 

Of Course the speaker got louder as you got closer… She was trying to get you to not disconnect it!!

Wheres the science here ? ?

>>Sorry for the rant<<

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding." NEMESISLABS@AOL.COM

7:15 pm
October 14, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

rjlaman said:

Heres a question….. Why not disconnect the speaker, bring it down, bring it to the lab and open it up. 


That would be the ideal thing to do because to me this was an obvious hoax. But from another perspective they probably either didn't have permission, or thought it rude to start pulling it apart to find the trick. In that respect it's understandable, however they shouldn't have included it in the evidence list if it can't be checked out.

OD'd on EMF

6:03 am
October 15, 2009


DeanP

Guest

Been lurking here for a while, and felt it time to chime in. First, they said they didn't want to investigate that speaker too closely, because where it was mounted was "structurally unsound". Correct me if I'm wrong, but would you want something that was obviously heavy and "structurally unsound" hanging over the heads of both your patrons and employees? I know I wouldn't, and I'm sure my insurance company would frown on it too.

Second, yup it looks like I'm not alone in the disappointment felt from the poor debunking of the shadow man. I mean come on, absolutely no attempt was made to try to recreate the image using logic. Instead they take it on faith that the image was of a paranormal nature. Hey guys, wake up! Flash photography (especially at night) creates shadows. How about taking a few minutes and do the right thing. Debunk! If you try to recreate it and can't, then maybe you do have something that's possibly paranormal. But without any proper debunking, it's just one more thing that screams of sensationalism. I hate to say it, but I'd be willing to bet that even the crew over at Ghost Hunters would have done a better job with this one. Oh well…

9:46 am
October 15, 2009


gnostalgia

Investigator in Training

posts 7

At least they didn't say "era cues" again. If they had said era cues one more era cues time, I think my era cues head would have era cues exploded.

6:58 pm
October 15, 2009


StoppingMad

Guest

Hi, all.  First time on the forum, but just wanted to say that I just watched the Tombstone episode on my Tivo and even with my non-HD tv, I could see by pausing their picture that the "shadow person" was clearly the shadow of the trunk of the  tree right in the center of the picture.  It just lined up perfectly against that wall.  The shadow might have been caused by the flash of the camera or there might have been another light source to the left (somebody else with a flashlight or something), but clearly, that's all it was.  

I, too, was sort of impressed when they headed back out there, but they didn't even bother to try to line up their shot to see what else it might have been, not that you can't see it from the photo.  I don't know if I can take much more of this show.

7:48 am
October 16, 2009


avidmike

Florida

Investigator in Training

posts 20

This episode inspired me to do a little paranormal investigating of my own so my son and I visited the local cemetary and started snapping pictures at random.  To my surprise I caught this shadowman.

http://cid-f17835e8ab36a0d6.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Michael/shadowman.jpg

Maybe Discovery Channel will give me my own show?!?

Michael

"If you push something hard enough it will fall over" – Fudd's First Law

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