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10:17 am September 17, 2009
| Sully
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Is it just me, or was this investigation — and the following one in the New Hampshire home — well, relatively sane? No EVPs, no K2 meters, just earnest observation and debunking, including video evidence that was fairly compelling.
Honestly, if it weren't for the absence of Brian, I might have thought I was watching a Season 2 repeat …
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10:31 am September 17, 2009
| Angelayo1970
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You took the words right out of my mouth Sully. I was very impressed with the demeanor of the team on both of these investigations. I only have one issue, when they were investigating the private residence. Kris and Amy were in the bedroom/former TV room that contained the sofa that the homeowner claimed would be moved at least a foot. The TAPStresses said they could debunk it because the floors were slanted and hardwood. I live in an older home with (much beloved by me) slanted hardwood floors, and I can honestly say that NONE of my furniture (especially something as heavy as a sofa) moves out of place on its' own. I don't think you can genuinely say that, because a flashlight will roll on a floor, that means a sofa could be moved by gravity alone.
Other than that, I appreciated all of the good solid debunking that took place. The Union County video footage left me scratching my head a bit, as well. Not quite sure what to make of that yet, and I can't wait to hear others' opinions on the subject! 
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"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei
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1:14 pm September 17, 2009
| StanTheMan
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Agree with the "old time" feel to the investigations. A question/comment on each investigation:
Courthouse – was there only one passageway/aisle in between the records trays? They were insisting it was the one they were sitting in during the reveal. Just wondering if there was another one which had a passage between the them which would have allowed an exit for a person who realized they were in the wrong place. Hard to tell in the dark, another example of why the lights should be turned on.
New Hampshire house – the radio went off at 2:00am and unless I'm misaken they determined it was set to go off then. If it was set wouldn't it go off at that hour every day. Unless someone set it to go off that night. The USGS visit in my opinion was a waste. I have lived in New England my entire life and can't remember furniture shaking due to an earthquake. That explanation seemed too convienient to me.
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1:47 pm September 17, 2009
| fendergrl
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I was also impressed with the episode. My first comment to my husband was, "I wonder of they read the message boards??" I loved the work on debunking rather than silly meters that give no real information.
I'm also curious to hear other opinions on the courthouse anamoly. While the first time they showed it I could see something, I was unable to make it out on the replays.
About the clock: some have wierd settings for the alarm where switches have to be all in the right place. So maybe while turning the stereo on/off/setting it/etc, you can randomly turn on the alarm and not realize it. Also, the volume might always be set at different levels, so maybe the alarm goes off more frequently, but the volume has been turned down? Just a thought.
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3:34 pm September 17, 2009
| Nosfer
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Observation 1:
The figure. The camera is set on the table which is why we see a waist-up shot. They show this exact shot DIRECTLY about a quarter-hour into the episode when the camera is initially set on the table. A very nice clear shot, good detail, excellent quality. But, when the figure is shown, the camera quality degrades horrendously, is it being filmed by Pilgrim off a monitor? This is a terrible way to present evidence. The quality is so bad it makes me wonder if it's being also shot through glass and we are getting a reflection sort of like the Gettysburg ghosts in another thread?
Compare the footage of what we see when S&T first look at the scene vs the very nice clear footage we are presented with when the camera is first set down. Why is the evidence shown so poor?
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3:45 pm September 17, 2009
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Hate to say it but there is an awful similarity in style between the white jacket the figure appears to be wearing and the white jacket that we know Jason was wearing.
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3:51 pm September 17, 2009
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Regarding the radio, note that the radio had been moved between the walk-through and investigation. That struck me as a little odd in itself. It probably means that it was unplugged and maybe went through some kind of a reset, though defaulting alarm-on at 2:00 AM seems like a strange default. A cynical person might wonder if the whole thing was staged at the time the radio was moved to center stage.
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3:51 pm September 17, 2009
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Sorry for the double post. I don't see any way to delete it.
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3:54 pm September 17, 2009
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Let's keep this thread specifically discussing what the title says…Union County Courthouse. We get enough confusion as it is when the multiple threads inevitably start popping up, let's keep all Union County Courthouse (and ONLY Union County Courthouse) comments in THIS thread.
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4:16 pm September 17, 2009
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It looks like the bulk of the shots they show of the figure are horrible zoomed in ones (likely shot off the monitor) There is one wide shot at about 32 minutes into the episode (including commercials) which is of better quality and then a zoom in of that (with quality somewhat degraded) Both are video of video (they filmed the monitor instead of showing the raw footage)
Until they start showing us the ACTUAL footage (and not just the scene itself, but making the before and after available) I have to remain suspicious. Although there is one shot where you can see the camera that caught the figure, it DOES look like it was in somewhat of a 'corner' of the room which would make getting a reflection on glass and having it appear where it does quite tricky. It's really too bad they pulled that stunt on Halloween, I think a lot of people automatically suspect something whenever they show us evidence now. They really shot themselves in the foot and tainted their reputation :(
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4:47 pm September 17, 2009
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I noticed that at one time with the image, someone said it looked feminine in the way it walked. I thought it looked more masculine myself. Also, someone said it looked like it wrapped a shawl around itself. If it did that, then why couldn't we see the shawl. It's clothing seemed to maintain the same look. I was glad that they weren't being so overly dramatic this episode. It was good!
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Ghost, n. The outward and visible sign of an inward fear.
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4:54 pm September 17, 2009
| Nosfer
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I saw no shawl and I saw no features or characteristics (physical or walking style) that tagged it as female. To me, it looked masculine as well.
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5:58 pm September 17, 2009
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I too saw no shawl or smoothness of movement. To equate that as being a woman was absolutely ridiculous. What I saw was something akin to the same color jacket/pullover and of the exact build and size of Jason based on the camera placement and very poor quality of the shot as Nosfer referred to above. During the reveal, since they were sitting just a few feet away from where the "figure" was, did they not show you couldn't move in that location? It would have been a very simple shot but we never see it. Instead we hear them talk about it. I'm sorry, we don't even know the "audio" even matched the shot we were shown.
Also, in my opinion, this Sheriff wanted nothing more for them to find something. He said he was cynical and he had to "see" something to believe it. Twice at the beginning of the reveal Grant, to his credit, tried to calm him down and tell him not jump to conclusions and this was before he was even shown any "reveal". At the very end he said he saw "things"? Exactly what "things" did he really see that he believed? He must have been on another show than I was watching.
EDIT: I neglected to say above that there was certainly the ability for anyone to walk around the aisles behind where the reveal was taking place and where they said there was no access. If you look to the right side, along the wall of books and past Grant, you will see the computer monitor/microfilm equipment where people sit to review documents and film. There is an aisle in front of it and an aisle to access the books so access is indeed possible.
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6:19 pm September 17, 2009
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I just caught this…they did NOT just leave the camera there and capture it later. This was captured while they were standing there. You can hear Jason talking about "…being a spirit, being left over…hanging around/over for whatever reason" So they apparently did not see this themselves. Or do we hear Jason's voice over for some other "establishing" reason?
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11:59 am September 18, 2009
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Nosfer said:
Hate to say it but there is an awful similarity in style between the white jacket the figure appears to be wearing and the white jacket that we know Jason was wearing.
My first thought, like I posted in the blog section, was that it looked like jason the first time I saw it. Not like a female at all, like he claimed.
As per the NH investigation.
I have a large oriental rug in my living room. Once a week, I have to push the furniture off of it and realign it, because it crawls from people walking on it, and my floors are pretty level.
I'm glad we got to see their bathroom again. I was thinking they finally got over that routine, but I guess not.
The only thing I'm going to say in defense of The Reveal is that I'm sure we're seeing an edited version.
I've never done a reveal that was over in 5 minutes, ever.
I HAVE had a picture of a shadow appear in a photo and even though it was a shadow, you could make out the reddish tint that matched the shirt I was wearing, and once we increased the resolution, you could see it was me.
That "figure" I truly and instinctively believed was Jay, at first glance.
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12:01 pm September 18, 2009
| TasCat
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Okay, this is what I noticed. There are two while pillars between shelves of the bookcases, after the second one, there is a space to walk into the next row of bookcases, right where the podium (small classroom sized one is stored there) is sitting. But it appears that straight back, there is more room, enough where a person could be back against where that row ends, walk a bit forward, then duck into the aisle to (the apparition's right, our left). Them sitting there and saying there's no where to go, when I see that aisle right after the second pillar made me say "Silly guys who want me to believe this, say what?"! And the weird thing is the Sheriff didn't even point it out.
No FLIR of the event? WOW! Try to actually make it look paranormal for once, I'm surprised! As for stating it looked female, how do you come to that conclusion? It's dark, you barely see it, but by it's "demeanor" it looks female? Perhaps because no male ghosts were reported? To be honest, it looked male to me, broad shouldered, no slight build. I guess I will have to look again and compare it to the size of the bookcases back there. But there is definately a way for the "ghost" to go. There is an aisle to the viewer's left past the 2nd column, and it sure looked to me like that's where it turned. And again, it's Jason and Grant right where all the action happens, but if we are to believe that they are sitting where they state they are, there has to be a definate 3rd party involved, if this is a hoax. I don't know, it also didn't really seem transparent to me, but solid. Maybe why they didn't want to use the FLIR, too many people not feeling that a hot, solid object is a ghost. I'm just a bit skeptical on this one, because of their mistatement of the lack of exit route. But I will check again, make sure I saw the aisle and the turn before the second column. And for transparency as well.
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12:05 pm September 18, 2009
| HipKat
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Sure are a lot of "cats" in this forum…. (or Kat's, if you will)
BTW, my Kat is not short for Kathy. I'm a guy!
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12:29 pm September 18, 2009
| TasCat
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off topic, but mine is a memorial to my buddy "Tasslehoff" who kept loyal from 1989-2001, quite the character, so loyal to the apt that the maintenance man would call ahead to make sure someone was home, he was terrified of him, my big, fat (later years) grey tabby. Sure miss the guy and Tika, our gal cat, black & white longhair, 1989-2005, used to sleep on me like Snoopy slept on his doghouse, always seemed to find a sore spot to curl up on and warm up and make feel better. She was just the opposite, ran most of the time when we had visitors, but when sleeping on me, and hear a noise, would emit a little growl and head that way, like I was a big kitten of hers. I miss those kids. 
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6:49 am October 16, 2009
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I watched that episode. I also watched it on you tube. I wonder why the Ghost Hunters aren't trying to make out the video of it. It would seem to me if this were a real sighting someone would be looking into it further. But, I guess how can you talk to a ghost. I have seen one video capture the Ghost Hunters did, and it looked to me like the apparition they caught on video looked like the bald guy, Jason I think is his name. In fact I thought they had faked it, but I can't prove it either way.
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