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12:49 pm
June 1, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

The earliest website archived is from January 2001.  However, there are references to 2000.  Apparently, back then (maybe still today) their email addresses were:  grantw23@home and ravensi@aol.com.  I am only posting that information because they posted that and a bit more on the website.  You can also see how many people have come and gone through the years since 2001.  Here's the first link:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com

I did happen to find this on one of the pages about self-help, "Give me the Proof – Part 1 Catching them on Film" from January 2001 :  http://web.archive.org/web/20010202064300/http://the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/   I appears most written articles (surprise) are by Grant.  On some pages you can actually see photos.  Interestingly, they credit no one in particular if the photos are not theirs – if they are their name is under the picture and when you click on the information about the photo if someone else was involved they only refer to them as a fellow investigator – no names.  This was the J&G show back then as well.

On April 6, 2001 they were begging people to post on their message board since they onlly had 6 messages on their new board – don't know how many there were before!  Here's the link:  http://web.archive.org/web/20010402001626/http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/

Here's a message board from back then: http://web.archive.org/web/20010402001626/http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/

I haven't had time to go through all of these but even if a link looks like it's no longer there, click on the X in the box and it may just pop up.  You can go through many screens and see what was archived.

6:15 pm
June 1, 2009


dconlly

Investigator in Training

posts 20

Alicat,

 

You can also view how the show has transformed from season 1. During Season 1 they wanted solid evidence with witnesses. This then became a baseline for not having single team member storming into areas to conduct investigations, and negated personal experiences.

 

Fast forward a couple of years/seasons; now you have the team leaders (Jason and Grant) going solo without cameras into so called active areas. Surprise, surprise; each of these investigations resulted in shadow figures that were only witnessed by the solo investigator without a recording device. This same behavior was the scorn of Jason and Grant, and brought their wrath down on Brian when he did it during the early seasons. I guess this behavior is permissible now as solid evidence now. I’m not sure why because scientifically it can not be proved or disproved. Then again GHI has utilized the shadow evidence as the solid basis of their investigation; perhaps GH is just capitalizing off of GHI?

 

Then you have the GH/TAPS team suddenly turning towards personal feelings. I don’t even know where to begin to measure this quantifiably. The thing is this behavior was frowned on and investigators trying to present it were ridiculed for doing so by Jason and Grant. Yet, now it is perfectly legitimate. Has the team gone through some training to quantify their feeling in legitimate measurements that can be correlated to some sort of data?

 

Viewers can even view the instruments they use to the devolution of the show. AT first they used EMF gauges that measured such energy with a number reading without human intervention to keep the monitor working. I’m not saying these meters were adequate or scientific due to their employment. I’m just saying the viewers actually got a solid baseline to go from, if they negated the wireless communication contamination that is present. The team used to brag about the numbers, now they are pleased as punch at just blinking lights. Seriously, how do you gauge these blinking lights? Does the full scale with blinking red light mean full on paranormal activity? Did the penny sticking in the instrument affect the device in anyway?  Better yet did GH/TAPS capitalize off this device? Why advertise it during the show? All of which brings questions to the evidence gathered by such devices.

 

TAPS standards of legitimacy have degraded throughout the seasons. What would have been dismissed as just paranormal activities, are now deemed haunted due to personal feelings and even more questionable measuring devices. Yet, they claim to be scientific. What is even more tragic,  is that people don’t possess the critical thinking skills to question them.

 

 

Danelle

2:42 am
June 2, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Ghost Hunters progression indeed, down hill all the way. Or were they ever on top of that hill to start with?

Their philosophy of using toy equipment hasn't changed. You'd think they would have gone a bit more upmarket than a $50 EMF meter by now. I still don't understand how they can buy a $4000 FLIR camera while continuing to use the 50 buck EMF meter. But there's no point in encouraging them. I'm sure they would misuse a 50k meter equally well or badly.

OD'd on EMF

3:14 pm
June 2, 2009


Hannah

Texas

Lead Investigator

posts 361

What is irksome to me, is that they in all probability have been told they are not using the equipment correctly.  So, do they learn how to do it correctly?  No.  That is willful ignorance.

3:44 pm
June 2, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

Hannah, I don't know if it's as much ignorance as it is arrogance.  Apparently, from all the members that have "passed through" RIPS/TAPS/GH, I'd say it's a lot of both.

4:05 pm
June 2, 2009


Hannah

Texas

Lead Investigator

posts 361

alicat said:

Hannah, I don't know if it's as much ignorance as it is arrogance.  Apparently, from all the members that have "passed through" RIPS/TAPS/GH, I'd say it's a lot of both.


Ah, arrogance certainly would apply also. 

11:50 pm
June 2, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Now they are teaching others how to misuse equipment. There will be more ghosts than ever before. Ghosts in the equipment.

OD'd on EMF

1:14 am
June 4, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

Hannah said:

alicat said:

Hannah, I don't know if it's as much ignorance as it is arrogance.  Apparently, from all the members that have "passed through" RIPS/TAPS/GH, I'd say it's a lot of both.


Ah, arrogance certainly would apply also. 


I've been thinking about this and their arrogance really does bother me.  I mean, ask yourself, can you remember one single instance of them crediting anyone with anything? 

They typically use "there's a theory that…" yet they never credit the person or group who originally came up with the theory.  They never credit anyone for any of their investigatory methods or procedures…as if they came up with everything that they do on their own.  Now think about that one for a second.  Do you really think that they came up with anything on their own?  Seriously?

Hannah had posted a portion of a blog by a paranormal group complaining of this as well.  I would link it…but I've forgotten what thread it was in.  Hannah, maybe you remember where that is?

And the best example of all time, when Britt "came up with" the geophone.  Yeah, um…not so much:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_seismology#History

I cannot think of one example of anyone from TAPS actually crediting anyone outside of TAPS with anything.  Now that is arrogance…

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

3:40 am
June 4, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

That was in the "How to create a ghost" thread http://www.skepticalviewer.com/forums/other-fringe-science-topics/how-to-create-a-ghost/page-1

And the link was http://seminars.torontoghosts.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/

They were not very happy with GH were they Lol.

OD'd on EMF

9:07 pm
July 15, 2009


patchoulifan

Investigator in Training

posts 5

Long time lurker, first time posting.  Always lots of interesting discussions going on here.  When I watched the first GH, I really didn't know much about ghost hunting investigations.  I was always interested in the paranormal, but had no knowledge of the particulars.

What really hooked me, aside from the actual paranormal aspect, was the interaction of the members of the team.  As opposed to the silly Most Haunted, the viewer got some sense of the personality of these people.  I've read lots of criticisms of Brian from the early episodes, but I think the drama and personal interactions outside the investigations served the show well.  It humanized these people.

Now there seems to be none of that.  It's premise, drive time, tour, investigate, waste time at the table reviewing, and reveal.  Every single episode.  Cast members come and go with no explanation.  The show has lost some of its' life by becoming so impersonal.

And they seem to find just about everything haunted these days.

I understand that some viewers want the show only to be about investigating.  I think, however, it was the formula of getting to know these people that helped it catch on with viewers.  I believe that anyone tuning into the show now for the first time will not be as loyal to the show as those who were there from the start.

9:31 pm
July 15, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

Admin

posts 589

Welcome patchoulifan.

When the show started, I was of mixed opinion on the personal drama, but these days I find I miss it. On one hand, if someone has proof of survival after death, then that's one of the most important discoveries ever, and I hate to see it pushed aside. It's kind of like: "Today, here's a documentary about people who have a cure for cancer! Let's talk to them about… chewing gum!"

On the other hand, as my expectations have lowered, I miss the interpersonal drama. Sure, it sometimes seemed a little put on or edited too heavily. But it provided an arc for the show, which these days seems more like Gilligan's Island. "Let's see how they'll fail to show us proof of the paranormal/get rescued this week!"

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

10:15 pm
July 15, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

Lead Investigator

posts 1393

Stephen said:

But it provided an arc for the show, which these days seems more like Gilligan's Island. "Let's see how they'll fail to show us proof of the paranormal/get rescued this week!"


I would love to see the Professor on either GH or GHI.  And Mary Ann too…but for different reasons…

Patchoulifan- Hello and welcome.  Good first post.  I kept reading your last sentence; "I believe that anyone tuning into the show now for the first time will not be as loyal to the show as those who were there from the start."  My first instinct, my very first reaction was…"good."  It struck me as somewhat odd.

I agree with you that the change in presentation has made the show suffer from a viewers standpoint.  Then again, so has the intentional deception.  It's becoming harder and harder for me to watch either GH or GHI.  I find that I watch the new shows, but never the older ones anymore.  It's a far cry from what I used to do.

So, do I wish to see GH's "loyal" fan-base grow?  I never really thought about it all that much, but I guess my answer is "no."  Without listing all the "questionable" things for the umpteenth time…all I will say is that I shudder to think that even more people will buy into what they are pushing as "truth."  Every show I try to look at the evidence objectively and every show, I'm disappointed.  And it's not for providing absolute proof of life after death, I mean, that would be an absurd measure for success.  It's the arrogance and ignorance that I see in the portraying of the evidence.  That is what is so disappointing.  The more that people turn away from this sort of thing, the better off they are…

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

2:23 pm
July 16, 2009


patchoulifan

Investigator in Training

posts 5

Thanks for the welcome!  I'm glad that I'm not alone in my enjoyment of some interpersonal interaction between members of TAPS. 

As for the "deception" or at least fairly widely believed deception, I was very disappointed.  The premise from the beginning was that TAPS came in with a mission to disprove and debunk, before pronouncing some place as haunted.  That changed, and as I believe I read somewhere here, perhaps the network put some pressure on the show to "amp" up the hauntings.  I can't remember when the infamous coat tug was, but did it happen during a Halloween show?  I ask, because I think the Halloween shows were the genesis for the need to find something in almost every episode.  Eight hours of unedited coverage is a long time to fill without finding any evidence of the paranormal, no matter how many ill-placed wrestlers (I know, cross-promotion, but really!) they drag into the fray.

Lastly on this subject, I think that viewers who enjoy the show are perhaps more able to accept an episode without any real evidence if they have some connection with the investigators themselves.  The viewer, while disappointed with the lack of findings, could at least take away some satisfaction with spending an hour with some people that they feel they know and are somehow connected to.

Personally, I still watch, but my faith in their findings is just not the same.  It's more of an entertainment show to me now.

12:07 pm
August 16, 2009


HipKat

HipKat

Investigator

posts 45

patchoulifan said:

Lastly on this subject, I think that viewers who enjoy the show are perhaps more able to accept an episode without any real evidence if they have some connection with the investigators themselves.  The viewer, while disappointed with the lack of findings, could at least take away some satisfaction with spending an hour with some people that they feel they know and are somehow connected to.

Personally, I still watch, but my faith in their findings is just not the same.  It's more of an entertainment show to me now.


Truer words were never spoken!

Even when they found nothing, as they did in most of Season 2, I was still taken by the story lkines between the members, the interaction, AND the ability to debunk and dispell.

It's probably got some to do with why Andy, who always irked me, to leave the show, since his entire premise was to debunk.

3:10 pm
September 27, 2009


Charlestonkat

Guest

Hi, First time writer to this or any forum. I ,too, really miss the personal interaction among the cast members. Even if an episode did kinda bite, I still enjoyed and identified w/ some of the cast members. Watching the show now is just not as much fun. GH is beginning to have a very cookie cutter routine – each just like the other. They are really starting to take themselves tooo seriously, and for someone like J. who has some real a***ole tendencies, it's deadly when you lose the ability to laugh at yourself!

       I know I am out of the loop, but why did Brian REALLY leave GH? and why didn't Donna come back to GH after she left GHI? I liked her!

                                                                                       Kat

5:14 pm
September 27, 2009


Angelayo1970

Sysematically breaking all my new year's resolutions

Investigator

posts 162

Welcome Charlestonkat!

Apparently Donna is ill and her illness prevented her from continuing with GHI. As for why she didn't return to GH, I have my theories. I think that, at heart, she was an investigator that really believed in what she was doing and to see the devolution of TAPS was probably heartbreaking for her. To return to it would be, in her mind, hypocritical since she could no longer stand behind what they were doing. As for Brian, I've never heard anything espoused other than he wanted to spend more time with his family and the GHI travel schedule proved to be too cumbersome for him.

I completely agree with you about the cookie cutter episodes. It's become "intro, tour, investigation, analysis, reveal, on-to-the-next-with-fist-bump" then lather, rinse and repeat. Tongue out The lack of the entertainment value from the personal interactions became glaringly obvious to me during last weeks episode. Two investigations, no personal interaction, no analysis (which I was glad they skipped but it was kind of weird) and no findings whatsoever. At least, when there was still a bit of "personal drama" in each episode, it was still interesting to watch even when they found nothing at a location.

It seems to me there is a detachment between cast members (who, according to another paranormal investigator who worked a case with them, now refer to themselves as 'the talent', and not 'the investigators'…pretty telling, eh?) It's pretty obvious that they've all let fame go to their heads, albeit with varying degrees of arrogance, and it's highly doubtful they spend much time together outside of investigations and appearances. I mean, in the beginning, you could see them all hanging out in J's garage drinking beer and watching football together on Sunday afternoons. Now…I'm thinking not so much.

It's probably the biggest tragedy to me regarding this program…the fact that these self-professed average guys next door have been seduced by the trappings of fame and recognition, and in the process have lost themselves. Simultaneously, they've lost a lot of fans because of this; fans who loved them for just being average guys to whom they could relate. Their current bored and disinterested and rather prima donna like attitudes have made them lose that relatability with their fans. I for one miss that. It's sad to say, but it makes me wonder when we're going to start seeing tabloid headlines with them on the cover, talking about love affairs, substance abuse and marital difficulties. I think they're on a very sad downward spiral, and for what? For a little bit of money…(okay, I stole that line from the movie "Fargo", but I think it applies here! LOL)

"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo Galilei

4:11 pm
October 13, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

Looks like the bloom may be off the rose with certain members of GH/TAPS when the big guns aren't around.  I don't think this bodes well with the new GH Academy either.  There is an event down in St. Augustine this Saturday with Steve, Tango and Dustin.  As of today, Tuesday, the event is not sold out.  Apparently both Tango and Dustin are trying to sell tickets for this event and another at the end of October by making announcements on their Twitter accounts.

From Tango:   "There r still a couple tickets left 4 THIS SATURDAY to investigate with me,Steve, @dustinpari in St. Augustine, FL. http://www.idealeventmanage.com from web"

From Dustin:   @davetango Looking forward to working with ya again Jersey! See ya in St Auggie this weekend http://www.idealeventmanage.com

A few tix are left to investigate at Ripleys with Steve, Tango and myself- http://www.idealeventmange.com for more info- they will be gone soon from web

Get your tickets to investigate with me on October 30th at http://www.idealeventmanage.com/ho… Mr T says "Its gonna be one helluva night" from web

Shameless SelfPromo Friday: Meet me in Mass on Oct. 30th at the Houghton Mansion http://www.idealeventmanage.com/ev… Limited Tix available! from web

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