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7:03 pm
November 11, 2008


CynicalCat

Investigator in Training

CynicalCat

posts 1

Hi all — new poster here.

I have to say I am thrilled with your list.  I've long been suspicious of Grant in particular and while I think the entire TAPS crew is in on the hoaxing, it seems when there's "evidence" than could be easily faked by a bit of slight of hand, Grant is right there in the middle of it.

3:55 pm
November 12, 2008


Dr. Peter Venkman

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Nosfer said:

Dr. Peter Venkman said:

OK then … so the candle going out in Ft. Delaware rates a tier 2 ?

It appears to be almost the exact criteria as you apply to the faucet.


I would think so. I don't think I gave it a ranking when I first suggested it, but Tier 2 is where I would put it.


We should be able to add as a tier 2 the truck that comes off the shelf just as the cameraman swings to cover Jason in S03E11 - Toys of Terror  the Keffer house segment.

4:45 pm
November 12, 2008


Nosfer

Moderator

Rotagitsevni Dael

posts 1480

I think the figure at the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum has to go in as well, and I'm leaning towards that being a Tier 1 Remember, the one that either ran out or was sucked out (depending upon which version you listen to…the earlier one or the one where they were enhancing it for the client) This was also the one where Grant had a hand-held and, once again, absolutely none of the footage was used (that we saw).

5:33 pm
November 13, 2008


tessa1222

Guest

CynicalCat said:

Hi all — new poster here.

I have to say I am thrilled with your list.  I've long been suspicious of Grant in particular and while I think the entire TAPS crew is in on the hoaxing, it seems when there's "evidence" than could be easily faked by a bit of slight of hand, Grant is right there in the middle of it.


I have a therory on why Grant seems to be in the middle of things so much.  First off, in the pilot it was shown that Grant does have some musical talents when they showed him performing with his wife.  Next, on the Queen Mary episode, when Grant was on the stage he made a remark that basically said something like, "finally made it to the stage" and then he started to perform a line form Hamlet.

My therory is Grant is the one of the two with the potential acting/performing chops and so he is the natural choice for any hoaxes where some degree of acting is required.

For all we know, he even has a coach.  Anyone wanna bet me?

lol

Tessa

8:57 am
November 15, 2008


Haephiteus

Investigator

Taylor, MI

posts 54

Ok I guess it's time to put my 2 cents in.

The Grant business has also made me wonder whats going on. But I want to point out that when we set our minds to thinking that he is faking all this, then that is all we see. So as a true ghost hunter step back and look at the big picture and ask yourself, Is there a possibility that there is paranormal things really going on around Grant?

Let me tell you why that I can't sit here and say either way, that he's faking this or not.

Once in a while my cousin goes out with us on a hunt. Almost every time that he is there, we get awesome EVP's, the air around us feels different, things just seem to happen. I had been questioned by people asking me could he be faking all of this. And "no", I don't believe he is for the simple fact that he's to serious about the paranormal, it's not a game to him. So I have sat around and questioned myself of why things happen around my cousin so much, and now that I see it happening around Grant alot, maybe, just maybe, he attracts these ghosts and spirits etc. Also my daughter seems to attract things more often than not.

I have read quite a few books by some experienced ghost hunters and some of their views on what attracts ghost etc. is pretty interesting stuff. So I would like to point out that some of us are artistic and some of us are not, some of us have the ability to see the future and so on.

One other thing, when you are on a hunt, the pockets are full. I'm right handed so my piece of equipment that I favor second goes where? In my right pocket.

7:36 pm
November 16, 2008


Grant

Guest

He's faking it.

10:51 pm
November 16, 2008


CreatureFeature

Investigator in Training

Pennsylvania

posts 25

Haephiteus-

Thanks for your post. None of us here can say for certain that Grant is faking it. We have our opinions.

All we can do is respect your view, but ask you to keep an open mind (and eye) for each episode.

3:39 pm
November 17, 2008


what if

Investigator in Training

what if

posts 9

In all fairness, I have thought the same thing Haephiteus.

But still, some of the footage is just too revealing.

6:43 pm
November 17, 2008


Haephiteus

Investigator

Taylor, MI

posts 54

Thanks guys, and yes Creature you have to keep an open mind (eye). But I'll tell ya something, I was not aware that Grant insisted that it was grabbed and not pulled down. If  it was a fake, then I feel he didn't do his homework.

Sorry guys, it takes a day off work to catch up with everyone and or everything. So if I sound like I missed a few things, I probably did.

5:58 am
November 18, 2008


thetalkingmongoose

Investigator in Training

northish

posts 13

I understand that the incident with the computer bag in the Crescent Hotel doesn't qualify for top tier on the Grant List, but I think it's still highly suspect.  On their tour of the hotel, the historian told them about the stories of things being piled against the door, at which point Grant got all interested and asked if he could have that particular room.  Dustin discovered the bag while doing equipment set-up, so I would presume there wasn't that much time between Grant leaving the room and that most coincidental event. 

But I blame Grant for everything, including global warming.

9:44 am
November 18, 2008


Logisti

Admin

posts 177

thetalkingmongoose said:

I understand that the incident with the computer bag in the Crescent Hotel doesn't qualify for top tier on the Grant List, but I think it's still highly suspect.  On their tour of the hotel, the historian told them about the stories of things being piled against the door, at which point Grant got all interested and asked if he could have that particular room.  Dustin discovered the bag while doing equipment set-up, so I would presume there wasn't that much time between Grant leaving the room and that most coincidental event.


Yeah, it's definitely suspicious when Grant requests a hotel room due to paranormal activity and then that activity occurs (sheets being pulled to expose feet, anyone?)

7:44 pm
November 19, 2008


J.

Investigator

posts 38

Way back on page 3 Stephen said:

Should the disembodied voices be included on the Grant List?

I am not sure if they should be added to the list, but I do think something fishy is going on with the EVP's.

Take a listen to these and decide for yourself.

The first is the recent EVP from the live 2008 Halloween show. It starts at 2:51 into the video.

The second is the EVP that came from the Buffalo Central Terminal episode. It starts at 3:24 into the video.

I think both of these "EVP's" are probably fake. To me, they sound alot like someone trying to make a ghostly-sounding voice.

What do the rest of you think?

9:44 am
November 20, 2008


J.

Investigator

posts 38

And now we have another fishy "EVP" to add from the most recent episode it seems.

The trust and credibility continue to fade away like ghosts themselves.

10:53 am
November 20, 2008


Logisti

Admin

posts 177

Well I think the Grant List is restricted to what I was labeling "Tier 1" and "Tier 2" incidents — basically incidents where Grant was the only reasonable suspect.  He's certainly a reasonable suspect for these voices — and the fact that they have only occurred around Grant and Jason reinforces that, but just the same the evidence could be pointing to Jay, or to their regular camera-operator. 

We can't really know, just like we can't really know it's not just a big conspiracy between all the people who own these buildings, or we can't really be 100.00% sure the voices aren't paranormal (just 99.99% :) ) so to my mind, no — these probably shouldn't go on the Grant list because, highly suspicious as they are, and even with Grant topping the list of prime suspects, it's not as cut and dry as "Grant leaves attic, Chair moves" where it would be a bit of a stretch to start suspecting anyone but Grant.

11:06 am
November 20, 2008


J.

Investigator

posts 38

Maybe we should make a "non-Grant but still suspicious evidence" list. :)

11:54 am
November 20, 2008


Nosfer

Moderator

Rotagitsevni Dael

posts 1480

J. said:

Maybe we should make a "non-Grant but still suspicious evidence" list. )


Let me make a suggestion of tackling this from the other side (it may be a shorter list lol)

What about a NON-suspicious list. Or at least a list of events where things appear that they could be real?

I'd offer St Augustine as the first item. We probably shouldn't do that in this Thread, though, since this IS the Grant list.

12:15 pm
November 20, 2008


J.

Investigator

posts 38

Yeah, it'd be the fair thing to do: make a list of the good (stuff we still can't figure out and that seems genuinely paranormal) to go with the bad.

Go for it Nosfer. :)

6:25 pm
November 22, 2008


T.A.Sharps

Investigator

Iowa

posts 57

I think it would be interesting if someone actually watched through all the episodes and actually caculated a percentage of evidence around Grant vs seemingly random evidence.

I mean if it turned out to be something like 80% of the evidence occured around Grant or was reported by Grant that could say a lot.


2:51 pm
November 25, 2008


SkepticalRader

Investigator

California

posts 38

I have been a Ghost Hunters fan from day one and have found questionable, from the beginning, some of the evidence of paranormal events. I always gave Jason and Grant the benefit of the doubt and suspected that they were the recipients of practical jokes by others. After all, they ARE likable fellows and they did seem genuinely sincere. We want to believe them. But recent happenings have really put J & G in the wrong spotlight. Every paranormal event happens to J & G and every one of those events CAN be explained if you first make the assumption that they are faked. They no longer set out to debunk. Every place they visit is haunted. Now we can hear disembodied voices with the naked ear and everything happens in multiples, not as stand alone events. Don’t even get me started on the K2 meters. Watching the footage of the jacket pull from the live Halloween event is very painful to watch. Grant’s stilted movements and forced conversation; Jason’s apparent disinterest in the goings on. These two have a lot to explain if they care about their credibility. Or is it too late?

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