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4:42 pm
May 28, 2009


Learjet

Australia

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posts 1073

I remember the tech guy that went missing and one of the meters he introduced. It appears to be the Ramsay / Moditronic meter that detects electrostatic charges as well as AC EM fields. Like a combination of the Alpha labs trifield and trifield natural, which would make it a very capable meter. Yet Stevo went back to a Sperry which only detects a very limited AC spectrum from 30-300 Hertz. Maybe the Ramsay was too complex for him to use. EMF for dummies. Tongue out

As a parting shot to G, in the EMF sweeps with the K2 he appears not to know where the inductor sensor is. He uses it if it's near the Leds when the sensor is actually back near the switch. 

Granted (pun), G doesn't appear to be bright enough to do an electronics mod either. But I think we need to keep in mind with any new electronic gadgets they or some other ghost show introduce, there's always the possibility of electronic tampering.

OD'd on EMF

4:46 pm
May 28, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2866

There's a theory out there (and this one has some merit LOL) that crappy audio recorders produce better EVPs so, by extrapolation, maybe crappy EMF detectors produce/detect better signatures, conversations, and general all-around significant activity.

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4:49 pm
May 28, 2009


The Doctor

Lead Investigator

posts 488

Bobarino said:

Revenant said:

Well, they either have a guy or had a guy for the electronics.  Can't remember what his name was.  He did come along with them once went they returned to Eastern State Penitentiary.


Ah yes.  Is he the one who showed up with a ton of new gadgets they were going to keep trying each week, then was never seen again?


The TAPS version of "Q"  was Ron, the guy who worked in the basement. http://www.nightsearch.net/biographies/ronmilione.htm

I think the last on screen invention of his was a KII on steroids, a bulky black box with two curved rows of LEDS and an antenna that stuck out about 18"

6:48 pm
May 28, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1073

Nosfer said:

There's a theory out there (and this one has some merit LOL) that crappy audio recorders produce better EVPs so, by extrapolation, maybe crappy EMF detectors produce/detect better signatures, conversations, and general all-around significant activity.


I would say crappy audio recorders and crappy EMF detectors produce MORE hits and so called voices yes that's true. More but not better. More because patterns can be heard in the artifacts IMO.

Doc, that's the Ramsey, or a variant thereof minus the big antenna out the front.

Looks a lot like the Moditronic one. http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/247/123812.jpg

Apparently they are available in kit form also.

OD'd on EMF

12:22 pm
June 3, 2009


CrowTRobot

Investigator

posts 228

Nosfer said:

There's a theory out there (and this one has some merit LOL) that crappy audio recorders produce better EVPs so, by extrapolation, maybe crappy EMF detectors produce/detect better signatures, conversations, and general all-around significant activity.


Well, one thing for sure: crappy ghost hunters don't produce better results.

I….I'm thinking.

12:29 pm
June 3, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

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CrowTRobot said:

Nosfer said:

There's a theory out there (and this one has some merit LOL) that crappy audio recorders produce better EVPs so, by extrapolation, maybe crappy EMF detectors produce/detect better signatures, conversations, and general all-around significant activity.


Well, one thing for sure: crappy ghost hunters don't produce better results.


But they DO get _more_ results :)

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12:37 pm
November 21, 2009


Nosfer

Rotaredom

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posts 2866

I'm going to nominate the Camera switch going on and off at the Pensacola Lighthouse for inclusion or at least discussion about being included on the list.

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1:02 pm
November 21, 2009


Leslie

Investigator

posts 157

I second that nomination.

1:02 pm
November 21, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

Admin

posts 588

It's a list item. He was holding it. Do we have anything more than his word that the switch was moving by itself?

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

5:15 pm
September 4, 2010


Stephen

San Jose, CA

Admin

posts 588

The falling FLIR camera in "America's First Zoo" is a candidate for the Grant List. Jay is upstairs, and Grant is out of his immediate view. (Why Grant would care at this point I have no idea.) Grant set down the FLIR facing away from him a few steps up, and the FLIR came tumbling down toward him.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

5:39 pm
September 4, 2010


Nosfer

Rotaredom

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posts 2866

I'll second the FLIR addition to the list. I still want to know why the display on it pauses just before it tumbles…adds some more suspicion to the event, supporting it's inclusion in the list.

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7:47 pm
September 4, 2010


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1073

I thought it was simply a case of Grant resting the camera too close to the edge of the stairs and it fell off. I mean it's dark and hard to see where he placed it. I could forgive him for that except….

For them to claim this as paranormal is like me claiming the bottle of milk that I placed too close to the edge of the table that fell off is paranormal.

OD'd on EMF

8:15 am
September 5, 2010


phillyk48

Indiana

Investigator

posts 81

Grant and Jay went up the stairway
no attempt to do a debunk
Jay gave up but Grant was a schlup
tumbling the flir with a clunk

Tongue out

If your cat's speaking Latin, you might have a problem

2:41 pm
September 20, 2010


Dreamsinger

Investigator in Training

posts 9

I know, I'm late to the game on this one, but it has to do with the video from the psychic at Dr Ellis house. For those who have the episode, if you watch all the thermal footage at one point the focus is set to far. Being set as such, things close to the lens can appear translucent, just as a regular camera will do. Those things in focal range will appear normal.

focus set to far

For those that haven't seen the bit with Grant fiddling in front of the camera:

Grant and thermal camera

Now, I'm not sure if this was satisfactorly addressed (sorry, it's a long thread and I've been interrupted several times while reading it) but the chair at Race Rock does move and can be seen if the leg positions are extrapolated from the visual information in the video. This is a still of two frames. Before it moves and after:

The Chair moves

Once again, sorry if this is already been resolved. I just thought I'd put in my 2 cents on those.

As for Granty type things, I'll have to think on that one. You guys have covered everything that comes to mind and then some.

8:15 am
September 21, 2010


Stephen

San Jose, CA

Admin

posts 588

Dreamsinger: thanks. The pictures really seal the deal.

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

9:47 am
September 21, 2010


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2866

Dreamsinger said:

Now, I'm not sure if this was satisfactorly addressed (sorry, it's a long thread and I've been interrupted several times while reading it) but the chair at Race Rock does move and can be seen if the leg positions are extrapolated from the visual information in the video. This is a still of two frames. Before it moves and after:


Do you have the two stills "unanimated"? It's a little hard to tell in the animated sequence but in watching it I'm not seeing the legs move, just the lines; the underlying legs seem to remain in one place.

I do recall seeing/hearing the move in the actual episode, it's just that I'm not seeing that in the animation above.

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5:20 pm
September 22, 2010


Dreamsinger

Investigator in Training

posts 9

Nosfer said:

Dreamsinger said:

Now, I'm not sure if this was satisfactorly addressed (sorry, it's a long thread and I've been interrupted several times while reading it) but the chair at Race Rock does move and can be seen if the leg positions are extrapolated from the visual information in the video. This is a still of two frames. Before it moves and after:


Do you have the two stills "unanimated"? It's a little hard to tell in the animated sequence but in watching it I'm not seeing the legs move, just the lines; the underlying legs seem to remain in one place.

I do recall seeing/hearing the move in the actual episode, it's just that I'm not seeing that in the animation above.


Sure thing:

Before the chair moves.

before

After the chair moves.

after

Not the geometry where the legs form an X. In the first shot they are far greater in distance from one another.

5:31 pm
September 22, 2010


Nosfer

Rotaredom

Moderator

posts 2866

Thanks, that shows it more as I expected and how I recall from the footage, I think it was something in the fade effect of the animation that was obscuring the second shot (the darker one) for me. Chair angle even changes.

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6:11 pm
September 22, 2010


Dreamsinger

Investigator in Training

posts 9

Nosfer said:

Thanks, that shows it more as I expected and how I recall from the footage, I think it was something in the fade effect of the animation that was obscuring the second shot (the darker one) for me. Chair angle even changes.


I used to have an animation where it showed the start position, highlighted the legs, showed the next frame, and then highlighted the legs again. But I lost that one and this one is a hack job. Sorry about that, but it was a rush job that I've never gone back and improved upon.

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