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1:06 pm
February 8, 2009


T.A.Sharps

Investigator

Iowa

posts 57

Yeah I always thought it worked so well in synch with what the psychic was doing.  Such as when he puts his arm down Grant's finger, or I mean, the psychic energy dissipates.

7:29 am
February 9, 2009


Wes

Investigator

Spaulding Inn, Room 38

posts 142

Hmmmm … if it was Grant's finger in front of the lens, wouldn't we see, well, Grant's finger in front of the lens???? The anomaly appears to be behind Jay and the medium/psychic/sensitive dude, not in the forefront.

Not sure if this is possible, but it still looks to me like the heat or air kicked in — in many older homes, AC/heat vents are in the floor – sending a blast of hot or chilled air into the room from behind the chair where Jay was sitting.

7:37 am
February 9, 2009


Oubliette

Lead Investigator

Land of the Jersey Devil

posts 527

There are other explanations for what happened, none of them paranormal.  I'm only putting this here as it seems very suspicious to me, and I believe it accounts for that weird anomaly. 

A case could also be made that he was just playing around with the darn thing and that this doesn't correspond in time to what happened. But I know what I think, and just wanted to run it by you folks for others' opinions.

And to think that, ages ago, I believed him to be the most intelligent member of TAPS and a nice, honest, quiet guy.  No wonder there's a saying that it's the quiet ones you have to watch out for!


5:50 pm
February 9, 2009


dr_peter_venkman

Investigator

Rochester, NY

posts 99

Wes said:

Hmmmm … if it was Grant's finger in front of the lens, wouldn't we see, well, Grant's finger in front of the lens???? The anomaly appears to be behind Jay and the medium/psychic/sensitive dude, not in the forefront.

Not sure if this is possible, but it still looks to me like the heat or air kicked in — in many older homes, AC/heat vents are in the floor – sending a blast of hot or chilled air into the room from behind the chair where Jay was sitting.


What if Grant had rested the FLIR on his leg to hold it steady? Wouldn't the heat radiating from his body appear in the lens?

6:37 pm
February 9, 2009


Nosfer

Moderator

Rotagitsevni Dael

posts 1480

dr_peter_venkman said:

Wes said:

Hmmmm … if it was Grant's finger in front of the lens, wouldn't we see, well, Grant's finger in front of the lens???? The anomaly appears to be behind Jay and the medium/psychic/sensitive dude, not in the forefront.

Not sure if this is possible, but it still looks to me like the heat or air kicked in — in many older homes, AC/heat vents are in the floor – sending a blast of hot or chilled air into the room from behind the chair where Jay was sitting.


What if Grant had rested the FLIR on his leg to hold it steady? Wouldn't the heat radiating from his body appear in the lens?


I don't believe this particular FLIR can pick up heat by itself (ie, nor just warm _air_ it has to be a warm substantive object which does cause one to ask many questions about it's applicability) Thus warm air above his legs would likely not be detected. However, a hot blast coming out of floor vents would warm the objects it hits which it WOULD detect.

7:26 pm
March 22, 2009


Hannah

Lead Investigator

Texas

posts 361

T.A.Sharps said:

Yeah, I always thought it was was weird "Oh, I better take off my flip flops, I don't want to fall down the stairs… make sure you get a camera shot of my flip flops there."

The flip-flop incident seems to implicate Jason. I recently watched this episode, and there was quite a bit of time devoted to where he took them off and then search for the darn thing. Collargate, what a mess! Your jacket is tugged on hard enough to throw you off balance and you don't use your other arm to regain balance? Seems to me that it would almost be reflex to use both arms.

11:08 pm
May 27, 2009


Learjet

Lead Investigator

Australia

posts 655

I just had a funny thought.

As you guys know I just bought a K2 meter for experiments. And as we all know the K2 seems to only work well around Grant or Jason. We have speculated how a stock K2 can be set off intentionally with a walkie or other device.

Now I think I am really starting to think like a skeptic, because I find myself asking "what would a magician do" in these circumstances to set off a K2. And as I had my K2 apart, with guts hanging out, thought, well a magician would probably just throw out the guts of the K2 and put in his own electronics! Walla a magician's K2!

There are many little programmable circuits out there now that can set off Leds to your pleasure. So what we see as a K2 may only be skin deep with different electronics inside. Magicians do this with props all the time.

Why do I have such evil thoughts? There was an episode, can't remember which one now, but when Grant was using the K2 it didn't have the first Led lit. This should be lit at all times when the meter is on and from memory the lights sure did act strange.

All just speculation of course but for someone with a little electronics know how and a magic trick in mind it would be easy to do.

6:17 am
May 28, 2009


Oubliette

Lead Investigator

Land of the Jersey Devil

posts 527

Learjet, that is really "thinking outside the box"!  I've never given a thought to the possibility that these meters might be altered internally.  For someone familiar with circuitry, it wouldn't be hard at all.

Excellent idea!  Sherlock Holmes couldn't have done better.  Maybe we've all been overlooking the obvious.

BTW, may I ask how much you paid for the KII?  Just curious what the going rate is.


6:31 am
May 28, 2009


CrowTRobot

Investigator

posts 199

Well done, Learjet. And I agree with Oubliette, it's the obvious that gets us everytime.

6:42 am
May 28, 2009


Learjet

Lead Investigator

Australia

posts 655

Hi Oubliette, K2 meters are available in the USA for around $50 US dollars at the moment. Considering the generic parts used, they probably make them for less than $5 each.

7:22 am
May 28, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1214

Learjet,

Great job!  I too never thought about it that way.  One question though.  By using the terms "magician" and "magic trick" did you happen to be referencing anyone in particular we might know?  Hmmm…..

Thanks for sharing your findings.

8:05 am
May 28, 2009


Learjet

Lead Investigator

Australia

posts 655

Well you might replace the "M" with a cough "G" cough. Sealed

I found the episode. Or at least one incidence. It's Hannum house, the very first episode of season 5 in the master bedroom. G puts the K2 on the bed and two leds blink. I can't see any sign of the first Led.

Vidcap. http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7122/s5e01a.jpg

I actually kinda feel bad for pointing this out. For some reason the camera just might not be picking up the first Led or it's a bit on the fritz and all is legit.

8:21 am
May 28, 2009


Learjet

Lead Investigator

Australia

posts 655

Okay I've just debunked myself. It looks as though that first Led on that particular meter drops out of visibility at a certain angle.

Vidcaps from part 2 Betsy Ross house in the basement.

Now you see it  http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1039/s5e01b.jpg

Now you don't  http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7418/s5e01c.jpg

It looks legit. At least for now…

11:17 am
May 28, 2009


Bobarino

Investigator

Valencia, CA

posts 178

For some reason I don't think they took one apart.  I am not sure why I think that way.  

Perhaps it is that they don't strike me as being smart enough to figure it out.  Not to be mean, but they aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, and even thought Grant knows how to do some light programming (websites) that doesn't necessarily translate into electronics. 

I *DO* think they misuse it and set it off intentionally to give false indications that they are speaking with a ghost.  I even think it is possible J doesn't know what Grant is doing when he sets it off intentionally.  

But this?  I don't know, maybe I'm being naive?

12:28 pm
May 28, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1214

Learjet, I was actuallly going to replace that "M" with a "D" since he's a professed "M" but, then again, "G" is a computer guy.

Barbarino and Learjet, even if we have the initials wrong, they introduced a guy on the show (twice?) as someone who was working on new equipment for TAPS.  They even showed him in his shop with a few items on the table that he had been working on for them.  So, if not "G" or "D", he certainly would have been able to rig a K-2.

12:41 pm
May 28, 2009


Revenant

Lead Investigator

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

posts 933

Bobarino said:

For some reason I don't think they took one apart.  I am not sure why I think that way.  

Perhaps it is that they don't strike me as being smart enough to figure it out.  Not to be mean, but they aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, and even thought Grant knows how to do some light programming (websites) that doesn't necessarily translate into electronics. 

I *DO* think they misuse it and set it off intentionally to give false indications that they are speaking with a ghost.  I even think it is possible J doesn't know what Grant is doing when he sets it off intentionally.  

But this?  I don't know, maybe I'm being naive?


Well, they either have a guy or had a guy for the electronics.  Can't remember what his name was.  He did come along with them once went they returned to Eastern State Penitentiary.

As for the false indications, it could be Grant but it doesn't have to.  It could be a producer or the film crew hitting his two-way radio at the right time.  As Learjet stated, the K2 can pick that up from a pretty good distance.

2:07 pm
May 28, 2009


Bobarino

Investigator

Valencia, CA

posts 178

Revenant said:

Well, they either have a guy or had a guy for the electronics.  Can't remember what his name was.  He did come along with them once went they returned to Eastern State Penitentiary.


Ah yes.  Is he the one who showed up with a ton of new gadgets they were going to keep trying each week, then was never seen again?

2:13 pm
May 28, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1214

Bobarino:   NASA or MIT recalled him.

3:51 pm
May 28, 2009


Nosfer

Moderator

Rotagitsevni Dael

posts 1480

Wasn't there some new tech wiz at the St Augustine revisited case? Something about geiger counters maybe? I though it was radiation related but I could be wrong.

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