CrowTRobot said:

Oubliette said:

…  And how Tango, the new guy, proved his worth by catching it, too!  Personally I do wonder if Tango had anything to do with it but it certainly got him recognition straight off the bat.

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I don't think Tango was involved.  Actually, I'm on the list of people who think he wasn't in on it, and thus spoiled the evidence set up by the 'one person who did it'.

It would be interesting to go back and see how Tango was treated after this. I'm not sure of the timeline; but at the present, he's nothing more than Steve's goof.

"….he's nothing more than Steve's goof" - Yes, and it's a shame.  I liked him when he first came on; after all he's from New Jersey .  So I kinda rooted for him to do good.  And he was more serious to begin with and seemed to really want to do a thorough job.  Now I call Steve & Tango "Laurel & Hardy".  Pilgrim must think the audience is pretty dim not to realize that those two have been chosen to add a comedic element to the show.  Can it be any more obvious what is going on here?

It has also crossed my mind that Tango's sharp eyes found that faked evidence on the QM and, as you put it, he was wasn't in the know and sort of threw cold water on that party.  Of course, one could argue about why they didn't edit it out, but it was a major (although faked) event and then GH could show just how great and wonderful they are by having shown that they "can't be fooled".

As always, a bunch of scenarios, but unless someone wants to spill the beans, it's likely we will never know.  GH itself is becoming more and more structured and seems to follow a set formula.  The Dynamic Duo (Jay and Grant), the Funny Guys (Steve and Tango), the Giggly Girls (Kris & Amy) and making occasional appearances with bit parts and hardly ever finding any evidence (Joe and Krysten).  Only the new season will show if there will be any departures from this cast.

Personally I've always thought the skinny little "ghost guide"/wannabe "medium" was behind that one.

She was as convincing as she could be (trying, anyway) when she tried to tell them the HW boiler for the whole ship was being haunted as they spoke…

I wonder how many hundreds of people believed her when she told them that same lame story…

DD

Haephiteus said:

Dedicated_Dad said:

Personally I've always thought the skinny little "ghost guide"/wannabe "medium" was behind that one.

She was as convincing as she could be (trying, anyway) when she tried to tell them the HW boiler for the whole ship was being haunted as they spoke…

I wonder how many hundreds of people believed her when she told them that same lame story…

DD

I thought the same thing, she was too……..sure of herself I think

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And telling that BS to two plumbers–not that was really an "open mouth, insert foot" moment!

The guilty party would have to know that the camera had it's timestamping turned off.

There would have to be no sound, no light and no vibration of the camera during entry or exit.

The guide would need an accomplice to start and stop the camera while she is behind the bed pulling the sheets.

If caught in the act, there would be no talking her way out of it.

My candidate ? …. Tech Manager Steve

He makes sure the camera is not set to have timestamps.

He needs to visit the site multiple times to check the tapes.

HE handles reviewing the tapes, yet dosen't notice the blanket glitch Tango finds, nor does he think to listen to the sound untill the con is blown.

When he does listen to it, he says "you can almost hear after that like a door open and close", yet noone thinks to put the camera back and open and close both doors and the passageway to try to duplicate the sound ?   This from people who can drag whole conversations from the faintest of EVP's?

Who was his accomplice to pause and start the camera ?  The "Tech Manager" might be the only one who knew of, and had access to, the camera remote control.

A remote control!! That's it! I can't believe that I never thought of this before! (I feel sooooo stupid.) That would make it so much easier for ANYONE to fake this. And almost all cameras now can use a remote.(Sheesh)

A Adams, you raise a very valid point about things possibly being staged on purpose. It reminded me of something my wife said to me recently. When I was commenting on the collar pull incident and how blatantly fake it was and how obvious it was that Grant was pulling it off (pun intended), she suggested that it may have been a prank. When I pointed out that it is too late to own up to the prank and what was the purpose of it, she suggested that it may have been done for the benefit of us skeptics? I nearly fell on the floor laughing. It never occurred to me to consider that Jason and Grant may have done this to get the skeptics, like us, wound up. Controversy sells!

OK, I had a crazy thought.

Here  these guys are, just a couple of plummers, they make a decent living. They both are very serious about the paranormal. They form a group, then run into an awesome deal to make a TV show. Now remember in the early shows, they debunked EVERYTHING or at least had a semi possible explaination, which led them to say it's not paranormal. And if they did find something (rarely) they seriously got excited. The ratings hit the roof and contracts are signed. Now we know they are making a little extra dough. And everybody knows that when you make more money, you spend more money. And when your credit card or house payments etc, are higher, so are the monthly payments. I think everybody knows what I'm getting at.

Let's say this is true, and they are literally STUCK in a bad situation. So an idea would be…. they buy this Bed and Breakfast. They give it a couple of years to get going. Then when contracts are up, tell Pilgrim to stick it in their &$^. Then maybe come clean with the public. And ghost hunt on their own terms and time.

And maybe, just maybe find time to run their own damn website and not a bunch of ding-a-lings who let authority go to their head.

Remember people, It's just a thought of me thinking, "What if this is the case?".

Haephiteus said:

OK, I had a crazy thought.

Here  these guys are, just a couple of plummers, they make a decent living. They both are very serious about the paranormal. They form a group, then run into an awesome deal to make a TV show. Now remember in the early shows, they debunked EVERYTHING or at least had a semi possible explaination, which led them to say it's not paranormal. And if they did find something (rarely) they seriously got excited. The ratings hit the roof and contracts are signed. Now we know they are making a little extra dough. And everybody knows that when you make more money, you spend more money. And when your credit card or house payments etc, are higher, so are the monthly payments. I think everybody knows what I'm getting at.

Let's say this is true, and they are literally STUCK in a bad situation. So an idea would be…. they buy this Bed and Breakfast. They give it a couple of years to get going. Then when contracts are up, tell Pilgrim to stick it in their &$^. Then maybe come clean with the public. And ghost hunt on their own terms and time.

And maybe, just maybe find time to run their own damn website and not a bunch of ding-a-lings who let authority go to their head.

Remember people, It's just a thought of me thinking, "What if this is the case?".

"WHAM!"

::..the sound of Haephiteus hitting the nail on the head!::  

J’s missing flip flop in the Sunshine State Hauntings at the Seven Sisters Inn. Again, Grant was left alone with the objects in question.

I guess it kinda falls between Tier 2 and Tier 3, it is just questionable and in MO the ‘Is Grant a paranormal magnet or something else" category.  I realize there was a cameraman with him but the cameraman points the camera up the staircase and thus is not looking at Grant, plus who knows how long it was between J going up the stairs and G following him. It looks like it was immediate but who knows how long it really was to get the cameraman et al moving up the stairs. There could have been a considerable lag for whatever reason. Plus, we don’t know how far away the room was from G where the missing flip flop was eventually found. And IMO it is just kind of cheesy that J makes a big deal of taking off his flip flops and we get a camera shot of them and then What do you know? One goes missing? Too much of a coincidence for me. But of course proof of nothing other than I am suspicious.

OK, going way back: The Crescent Hotel FLIR anomaly when Jay is supposed to be getting a "mind meld" or something like that.  As Stephen pointed out last summer (Yes, I have a LOT of catching up to do), there's the possibility it was just Grant's finger moving over the lens.

During a browse of the web yesterday I discovered this little gem.  IMO there is no doubt whatsoever that Grant swept his thumb over the lens, and even smiled as he was doing it.  I would say "smoking gun" but unfortunately we do not have the exact moment he did this as Jay and that medium would have been off camera to his left. 

OK, I know that he could have just been adjusting something, but just what would he be adjusting by running his finger across the lens?

Maybe I've grown so jaded with GH that everything looks hoaxed.

BTW, at first I didn't catch it because it's so fast, but by the 3rd time there was no doubt in my mind where that strange "reaching out" color came from.  Many thanks to javadude54, and to Stephen for bringing out the possibility in the first place.

Have a look:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOwvhJwfs0c