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11:00 am July 30, 2008
| J.
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This is merely intended as a reference for the suspicious events that have taken place around Grant. I've listed them in chronological order. Any corrections are welcome.
1. The moving chair at Race Rock Lighthouse. This episode premiered 10.27.2004. Here's the youtube video of this incident. It begins at 1:45 into the video.
2. The moving lamp in the Myrtles Plantation slave shack. This episode first aired 7.27.2005. Here's the youtube video of this incident. It begins at 6:30 into the video.
Here's an alternate video of the event. It begins at 1:55 into the video. Thanks to "Grant" for the link from his comment on the moving lamp post.
3. The thermal footage of Jason getting a reading by psychic Carroll Heath. This episode first aired 10.19.2005. It is the same episode where they caught the "apparition" on the locker in the Crescent Hotel. Here's the youtube video of this event. It begins at 6:28 into the video.
4. The "jumping" table at the Stanley Hotel. This episode first aired 5.31.2006. Here's the youtube video of this event. It begins at 7:12 into the video.
5. The blanket being pulled up and off of Grant's foot as he slept at the Copper Queen Hotel. This episode first aired 10.18.2006. Here's the youtube video of this event. It begins at 43 seconds into the video. Thanks to D for the link from his comment on this post.
6. The faucet turning on when Jason was in the attic and the camera man was either in the attic too or on the ladder going up into the attic. Grant was below them, then the faucet in the nearby bathroom suddenly turned on. Here's the youtube video of this incident. It begins at 2:16 into the video. Here's an alternate video and the incident takes places at 3:46 into it. This episode first aired 6.20.2007.
7. The humming "EVP" during the Harrington home investigation. Here's the youtube video of it. It begins at 7:19 into the video.
8. The ringing bell in the Attleboro house.
9. The moving picture frame at Cashtown Inn.
10. The flying piece of glass at Mt. Washington Hotel.
11. The door slamming at New Haven House.
12. The coat tug at the 2008 Halloween Live event at Fort Delaware. FormerGHFan has made some good debunking videos of this incident. You can find them on youtube right here.
13. The hanger throw at the McKeehan House investigation.
Some of the YouTube videos have been taken down. If you know where to find the missing vids, please let us know.
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4:50 pm July 31, 2008
| gem
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You know I think Grant is innocent of these various and sundry suspicions, but in fairness to 'The List', I will add another event:
The episode where Grant was exiting a bedroom and a snare drum attacked him. Remember that one?
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6:40 am August 1, 2008
| J.
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I don't really recall that one. It's vague.
I did find some info on the time and date here:
http://www.entil2001.com/series/capsules/gh/season2.html (just search for snare drum).
Then, using the info from the above link, I did a search and found the episode page on TV.com
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6:52 am August 1, 2008
| Logisti
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The snare drum incident was more along the lines of "Oh, Grant must have accidentally knocked into the leg of the drum stand in the dark as he was leaving the room and it toppled off onto his foot" except Grant was all, No I didn't bump into anything, it attacked me because it didn't like what I was saying.
I'm still inclined to assign the majority share of probability to the "accidentally knocked into it, and is too bull-headed to realize it" scenario.
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10:36 am August 2, 2008
| Stephen
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I think the thermal video of Jay getting a reading from Carroll (sp?) at Dr. Ellis' house is a suspicious incident. I can't prove anything until I get my hands on a thermal camera, but here are my thoughts on the matter. You can see the footage here at around 7:42.
Jay and Grant both get read by Carroll, but the kaleidoscope effect only appears when Jay is being read, or in other words when Grant is holding the camera. For me, the most suspicious thing is that Grant seems to anticipate where the effect is going to go next– he pans the camera perfectly to follow the "aura" back to Carroll and seems to just know that it's going to go left before it actually does so.
I think the source of the "aura" is in fact Grant's finger, held just to the side of the lens. The aura always trails off screen– never can you see all edges at once. Cutaway shots do in fact show one of Grant's hands next to the FLIR lens, though it's hard to synch up.
The only way to nail this one is to get a FLIR camera similar to the one they used in that episode and duplicate the effect. Till then, the episode is suspicious, but not definite.
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12:30 pm August 2, 2008
| J.
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The "aura" even has the shape of a finger.
Thanks Stephen.
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8:29 pm August 4, 2008
| Stephen
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I should give (vague) credit– I got the idea from the Sci Fi Channel ghost hunters forum.
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7:19 am August 6, 2008
| entity
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Has anyone from GH ever acknowledged any of these claims? Anything at all? I can't believe that they wouldn't comment at all given the ever growing "list". Just curious….
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11:50 pm August 11, 2008
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Brenny said:
Has anyone from GH ever acknowledged any of these claims?
As I recall, someone on this board heard from TAPS saying that TAPS had extra footage from different angles that showed that Grant couldn't possibly have pulled the lamp.
If so, they've never posted this footage anywhere, nor has anyone I know of seen it.
If anyone's going to see them live someplace, it might be worth asking them– politely, of course– to release this footage.
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7:01 pm August 12, 2008
| J.
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What do you guys and gals think about adding the
humming during the Harrington home investigation to the list?
I am uncertain if it should be added because a camera guy was upstairs with Grant, filming him. So if Grant did do the humming, surely it would've been able to be determined it was him doing it by the camera guy. Unfortunately, we didn't get to see the footage of Grant while the humming was taking place like the camera guy did.
Here's the youtube video of it. It begins at 7:19 into the video.
What are your opinions?
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9:00 pm August 12, 2008
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I see (hear) what you're saying. It does sound like Grant. I'm hesitant to add it to the list, just because EVPs are so ambiguous. Other opinions?
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8:04 am August 13, 2008
| Logisti
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No EVPs –> Grant walks into the room and yells something to Jason –> "EVP" of humming –> Grant leaves room –> no more EVPs
I'd say that's highly suspicious, except it's so obvious that I'd have to wonder if Grant would have the gumption to attempt it. Upon further review, I'm going to say I wouldn't put it past him — he could easily just deny it and use that to bolster his claim ('No, it wasn't me, and I was *right there* and didn't hear anything! Maybe the ghost became active when it sensed someone in the room!)
So I'm torn on this, but I think ultimately it belongs on the list because of the simple fact that Grant walked into a room and suddenly there was "activity" where there was none before (and would be none after).
If we were going to make exceptions for Grant somehow unknowingly "triggering" these events because spirits are "drawn" to him or something, we'd have a much shorter list and since it takes several leaps of logic stacked upon each other to make that assumption I think it's prudent to leave it out of our criteria. This isn't a list of things Grant definitely did, this is a list of things we have good reason to suspect he did, and I think the humming in this case fits the bill.
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8:15 am August 13, 2008
| J.
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Ok, but what about the camera guy being right there and filming Grant when this "EVP" happened?
Wouldn't that mean he knew about it, but kept quiet?
That's why I am uncertain about this one, because he'd have to do it right in front of the camera guy and if he did that, then surely he'd be as good as caught.
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8:23 am August 13, 2008
| Logisti
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Was there a part where we see Grant at the time he says, "Do it again" to Jay? I saw a brief moment of footage of him upstairs when he was talking about trying to debunk footsteps-as-pipes but unless we see him on camera saying "Do it again" we don't know if there was a cameraman in the room with him or not.
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8:38 am August 13, 2008
| J.
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No, we don't know if the camera guy was up there at that precise moment, but he was up there filming Grant as we see on the footage. So either he was there when it happened and just kept quiet, or he went back downstairs to film Jason or moved off somewhere else.
Wouldn't it make sense though, that he'd stay there filming Grant for the duration of his time upstairs?
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10:43 am August 13, 2008
| Stephen
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J. said:
Ok, but what about the camera guy being right there and filming Grant when this "EVP" happened?
Not a lot of risk on this one. If he was caught, he could always shrug and say, "Huh. Guess I was humming to myself."
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3:45 pm August 13, 2008
| Logisti
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I saw them show some footage of Grant when they were talking about checking the pipes but keep in mind this is an edited show, so in-context it's assumed that the footage was filmed while Grant & Jay were doing this pipe experiment, but the footage I saw didn't have him doing to saying anything specific, it could just as easily been from some other portion of the night and they just edited it in there because the post-production director wanted to show a show of Grant upstairs during the pipe-debunk explanation.
So, on the one hand there is the possibility that J&G had only one camera guy with them and their experiment with the pipes lasted 15 minutes or something and they cut it down to 30 seconds, and that the camera guy might have spent half the time upstairs and half downstairs — but on the other hand the experiment might have lasted 30 seconds, the camera guy might never have gone upstairs, and the shot of Grant used at this point in the episode might be from a different part of the evening.
Either way, I don't see any potential risk for Grant if he wanted to play hoaxer. The piece of glass incident is a great example of the potential of opportunity: The camera guy starts out behind J&G and moves forward, and pretty much at the moment he is alongside and slightly ahead of Grant (with a camera presumably on his right shoulder, blocking his view of Grant) a piece of glass falls from "nowhere". If Grant perpetrated ANY of these incidents then he is clearly very good at not missing an opportunity the moment it comes along.
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8:17 am August 15, 2008
| J.
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I've updated the list. I found #5 (the faucet turning on) last night. The question I have is, how can we not suspect Grant turned the water on? That is just so blatant.
Watch this video beginning at 3:46 into it and see if you guys/gals think there was enough time for Grant to move out of the bathroom and get below the camera guy before he started filming Grant.
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3:23 pm August 19, 2008
| Oubliette
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J. said:
I've updated the list. I found #5 (the faucet turning on) last night. The question I have is, how can we not suspect Grant turned the water on? That is just so blatant.
Watch this video beginning at 3:46 into it and see if you guys/gals think there was enough time for Grant to move out of the bathroom and get below the camera guy before he started filming Grant.
There certainly was not much distance between Grant and that faucet, and if he turned it on, he would need only a short time to get Jay's attention and tell him about it. Looks suspicious, to me. Good call.
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