The KII meter will do what it says on the tin – pickup and display EMF levels.
It also seems to do a very good job detecting radio waves from handhelds, cellphones etc.
Some believe it can also be manipulated by spirits to allow conversation.

Curious that other analog or digital EMF meters do not seem to work in this capacity … in 18 years J&G were not able to get this kind of results.

So, what can we make of this ?

Now follow me … :-)   Current paranormal theory says that EVP's are NOT caused by acoustic sounds, but by the spirits manipulating the innards of the recorders to put their sounds on the recording media.

What if the spirits are NOT changing the EMF level, but screwing with the insides of the KII to manipulate the lights ? Could a penny jammed in the switch just happen to be exactly the type of "antenna" the ghosts need to enable this ?

Stephen-"If that's the case, then they should save time and money by just using a box with LEDs."

Sure, they could try it … along with many other variations to see if they equal or exceed their current "success" rate.  I'm sure we would all encourage experimentation to refine their results.

Stephen- "Also, J&G did get results with other EMF meters."

I don't recall any conversations matching the amazing results from the KII, but maybe it just takes a much stonger spirit to get into other types of meters.

especially like this non-broadcast event     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSmmy6dvIc

blinddog50 -"I agree with Stephen, any spirit capable of manipulating transistors, diodes and capacitors with a low power EMF field shouldn't have any trouble with simple LEDs."

Missed my point – My contention is that it is NOT manipulating the EMF that creates the result in the KII's in the same way that EVP are not a manipulation of air in hitting the microphone.   In any case we have no information to believe that spiriits have and can put forth enough energy to light an LED without an independant power source and control circuits.

IF J&G were actual investigators, I'm sure we could come up with dozens of variations ( larger 100% copper "antenna", actual connection to likely points in the circuit, etc. ) for them to try out on their cooperative ghosts.

Learjet said:

I really don't think a jammed coin or side toggle is going to change much with the circuit.

Since there is no frequency display, this makes the K2 a false hits nightmare. Beware anyone who uses this meter without backup monitering equipment.

( remember, I'm still DA here

Some psychics claim they can hold a coin or piece of jewelry, and tell all sorts of information about the spirits.  Since the  "energy" that holds and imparts this information is unknown,  there is no way to decide if a coin would make the KII more receptive other then testing.  J&G's results appear to support my theory, thei rejection of the installed switch could very well have been because they did not get results.

Now … just what about the video I linked above ?

Supposedly, the same basic conversation was held with this same spirit over 3 days. Since the video we see does not appear to be cut'n'paste like the TV shows, we must rule out exterraneous RF as the multitude of questions are asked and answered "correctly"

It seems there are only a few possibilities -

1)  the entire video was staged for reasons we don't know – perhaps some kind of test or pilot filming for Pilgrim.

2)  J&G are Frauds and Charletans, taking money in small bites from the gullible.

3) J&G have stumbled across proof of an afterlife, perhaps the greatest discovery in history ( after fire ). Yet, for some unfathomable reason, these investigators who have spent decades in research, prefer to remain plumbers and innkeepers.

With proof like this, their discovery should in a very short time allow them to purchace both the Stanley Hotel and the Mount Washington Hotel & Resort if they wish to keep their wives and family happy.

Believers and skeptics alike should be demanding to know just why J & G have chosen to keep the proof out of public view.

Nearly forgot, the psychometry thing doesn't work with coins I'm told as it's passed through too many hands. It has to be something that has a connection to one person and be handled by few people as possible.

Learjet said:

Sorry, I've been having trouble with youtube but I can play it now.

I would rule out 1). We were talking to the guy who shot the video (valpro99) on the TAPS forum. He was one fellow in a public group that investigate with J&G after the TV shoot. You know, the one where you pay $350 for, the gold package I think they call it. He is an active member of the TAPS forums that I've (typed) with and I believe he is genuine.

I dunno, if G wasn't there I reckon I would cave in and say it's a spook! But he bothers me.

If we've ruled out 1) , and I think you agree with me that this cannot be some kind of "mistake" on J&G's part where they are not competant enough to find a non-paranormal reason for the replies, we are left with 2 and 3.

j & G's actions are simply not those of investigaters who after 18+ years have found the repeatable proof that they have been searching for … they have finally found the handle to open up the door to the paranormal and be able to discover and provide real help to those who have called on them. ( not to mention becoming rich and famous beyond their wive's wildest dreams )

Their actions are of those who do not wish anyone to look closely at their results.

If this were real, they would not have to keep repeating that foolish statement about needing to keep the plumbing jobs for when the show's run finally ends.

OH – as far as the coin goes, your comment seems to agree that a coin can act as a conduit for spirit energy, according to believers.  I don't see it as a big stretch to think a spirit nearby or touching it could overwhelm any residual energy left over from past owners.

The Doctor said:

Some psychics claim they can hold a coin or piece of jewelry, and tell all sorts of information about the spirits.  Since the  "energy" that holds and imparts this information is unknown,  there is no way to decide if a coin would make the KII more receptive other then testing.  J&G's results appear to support my theory, thei rejection of the installed switch could very well have been because they did not get results.

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Um…no.  And here's why:

1)  You state "J&G's results appear to support my theory, their rejection of the installed switch could very well have been because they did not get results."  Inaction does not necessarily mean confirmation of your "theory."  J&G saw a problem with holding down the button on the K2.  They "fixed" it by shoving a penny above the plastic button so it would be continually "on."  To them, the problem is solved.  To state "their rejection" is to imply that there has been testing for comparison.  To imply that they have not gotten the same results with a K2 meter with an installed switch is unsubstantiated.  Unless you have evidence of testing done by J&G or TAPS using both the penny and the switch and the results of those tests, then you do not have a theory, you have an assumption.  An unsupported and an incorrect assumption.

2)  Learjet stated: "I really don't think a jammed coin or side toggle is going to change much with the circuit. Especially a coin since there is no electrical contact, and a small coin is not the sort of thing that would inductively couple itself to this type of circuit."

In which you responded with: "Some psychics claim they can hold a coin or piece of jewelry, and tell all sorts of information about the spirits.  Since the  "energy" that holds and imparts this information is unknown,  there is no way to decide if a coin would make the KII more receptive other then testing."

So…we are jumping from electrical engineering and physics to…magic?  I do not recall J&G talking about how pennies "hold and impart information."  I do not recall J&G stating "There's a theory that some psychics can hold a coin…etc."  I do not understand how the magical properties of the penny are being attributed to J&G and the K2 when, to my knowledge, it has not been stated on the actual show.

3) You state: "OH – as far as the coin goes, your comment seems to agree that a coin can act as a conduit for spirit energy, according to believers.  I don't see it as a big stretch to think a spirit nearby or touching it could overwhelm any residual energy left over from past owners."  What?  What "believers" are you referring to?  Are these supposed to be the fans of GH?  A spirit could overwhelm any residual energy left over from past owners?  Again, I am just not seeing how this applies to GH or J&G.  I can also not get past the fact that even if there was some "energy" or whatever, the penny has no electrical contact with anything.  We're still talking "magic" when it comes to how that penny would interact with the circuitry within the K2.

Lastly, I am of full support of Wallydraigle's suggestion.  I cannot think of a better object or substance for psychics to handle. 

The Doctor said:

" I can also not get past the fact that even if there was some "energy" or whatever, the penny has no electrical contact with anything. "   – Learjet might be willing to fill you in on passive antenna elements.

Cool.  Maybe he can also explain to me how a penny can store information and how a spirit nearby or touching it could overwhelm any residual energy left over from past owners as well because you completely lost me there.

The Doctor said:

" I can also not get past the fact that even if there was some "energy" or whatever, the penny has no electrical contact with anything. "   – Learjet might be willing to fill you in on passive antenna elements.

The short answer is that a penny doesn't have any noticeable effect on the K2.

Long answer…

Shoving a coin into the switch slot appears to make no difference to the performance of the meter at 50 Hz, 28MHz, 50MHz, 144MHz, 432 MHz or 1296MHz.

Grasping the meter with my hand makes a difference in some cases. Mostly it makes the readings higher, sometimes lower.

The meter is in plastic box so it's not immune to capacitive coupling from our body. The same thing happens with the Gauss Master. The body is acting as an antenna. This is not a precision instrument.

There are two steel screws in the back cover, one going through the circuit board. They would have about as much relevance as a coin in the slot.

Now for a really nasty test, I just stuck a small but powerful rare earth magnet on the switch. This quite surprised me, as long as the magnet is stationary relative to the meter, it has little effect on the readings. Of course the magnet is producing a DC or magnetostatic field around the meter which this AC meter appears to ignore completely – unless of course the magnet is moving relative to the meter in which case the field changes to AC and the meter detects.

Well these tests just reinforce my idea that a coin does nothing.

Any other tests you would like me to do?

Learjet said:

Well these tests just reinforce my idea that a coin does nothing.

Any other tests you would like me to do?

If you recall, my concept is that the spirit is NOT creating a EMF field change that effects the meter, akin to  an EVP where a spirit does NOT create an acoustic pressure change at the microphone.

Now, if you had a cooperative ghost like J&G at Ft. Mifflin, you could actually do the test under the correct conditions.

When you find Casper, I'm sure I can suggest dozens of tests