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1:59 pm
November 26, 2008
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Oubliette
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As per someone's very timely suggestion ;), I'd like to just let you guys know that the number of registered numbers of posters on the 18+ board has dropped by approximately 5,000 since the last time I looked–I think last week or so. 5,000!
In addition, and I hope that someone can help me with this, I've been having a hard time finding threads or posts having to deal with Collargate. Now maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place, but it seems there has been a general cleaning out and whitewashing going on over there. Or maybe it's just dying a slow death. Hard to tell.
Just a random post I picked up while looking through the Live Show thread:
"Grant is wonderful and would be unable to fake or act something that didn't actually happen."
Now how can you deal with that kind of belief system? Apparently, 5,000 refused to, and took a hike (or were banned).
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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2:46 pm
November 26, 2008
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J.
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That's a lot of people. Looks like the collar broke the camel's back. :)
Dealing with more possible decreasing numbers, I wonder if Collargate and the like will make the TV ratings for Ghost Hunters fall?
I tried looking them up but couldn't find much.
Anyone know where to look to see what the ratings are and if they are falling?
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"Doubt everything. Find your own light." — Last words of Gautama Buddha, in Theravada tradition.
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2:56 pm
November 26, 2008
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Audible Click
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I've looked for Collargate and other negative Grant posts and I do believe they've just died a natural death over on the Sci-Fi board. On the other hand, negative TAPS threads were locked or killed by the admins over on the TAPS board. Sad but true. I was a bit surprised at the drop in membership on Sci-Fi. I guess that relatively small number wouldn't have an effect on the GH ratings but it seems that perhaps Sci-Fi or Pilgrim would at least take notice.
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A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
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3:22 pm
November 26, 2008
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Queen of the Nerds
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I was over there sometime (I can't remember how long ago) and I'm pretty sure I saw a message from the admin saying that she was locking the thread for the Live show and asked that no one else start a new one.
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If you believe in telekinesis, raise my hands.
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5:53 pm
November 26, 2008
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Wes
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I'm guessing at least some of those folks have wandered over here (welcome aboard)! I used to post some there, but was quickly turned off when any sort of logic or skepticism was met with the kind of disdain usually reserved for unwanted dinner guests bearing stale fruitcake … I'm guessing their numbers will stabilize as the true believers hang on and the rest drop off.
As an aside, I think my favorite response to a skeptical post was something like "your an idjit. that makes no logicalness. im a scientist and i know its real."
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"The truth shall bear all light."
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6:43 pm
November 26, 2008
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Oubliette
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Former TAPS board members are certainly welcomed here. After all, it seems we all share the feeling of having been betrayed, either recently or in the past.
I've said it before, I get no pleasure out of what has happened. I've watched since Day 1. It was the highlight viewing of the week. Yes, it was TV, but in the beginning they were just regular guys who happened to find time to investigate paranormal claims. Therein, I believe was the appeal; that it could just as well have been any of us who got a big break going on TV, doing what we loved. And they were sincere about it all, at least, they seemed to be in the beginning.
My loss of faith occurred during what I call the Manson Mess, with the FLIR discrepancy. It was hard to buy their side of the story, and even worse when the footage was later released and obviously altered to cover up what a lot of us thought was some fishy doings. I can never buy the song and dance that it's either Pilgrim or SciFi responsible for this or that. Jason and Grant are listed as producers, which to me indicates they have some amount of control as to what is shown to the public.
Maybe that FLIR event would eventually have died down, but with this last season, topped by the Live show debacle, there's no going back. Can't deny it now–viewers have been betrayed. How many other pieces of evidence can we now trust?
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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1:49 am
November 27, 2008
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chrispycritters
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5,000 people? Of course, TAPS will spin it as housekeeping (clearing out people who weren't active posters). Locking the threads and requesting that members don't discuss seven hours worth of the show is pretty drastic when you think about it. That's not a very good sign for the show.
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12:38 pm
November 27, 2008
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Oubliette
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chrispycritters said:
5,000 people? Of course, TAPS will spin it as housekeeping (clearing out people who weren't active posters). Locking the threads and requesting that members don't discuss seven hours worth of the show is pretty drastic when you think about it. That's not a very good sign for the show.
That's what I think too, although if they are just getting rid of the folks who don't post, their timing is way off.
More telling will be to see how soon their various events listed on the main page fill up (or don't). So far Jay and Grant's January gig is not a sell out, but it's way too early to tell. Plus, I really have no idea how many slots are open in the first place. If it's 100, it will be easy to get a full house. If it's five hundred, they may be having problems. We'll just have to wait and see.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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12:55 pm
November 27, 2008
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Oubliette
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I decided to log on to the 18+ board and the latest member as of this afternoon is listed as jntc-banned. I'm not kidding. Now it's probably one negative post and you're out. Unbelievable.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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1:24 pm
November 27, 2008
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Stephen
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I'm tempted to go over there and say, "Hi, this is Stephen from Skeptical Viewer. I just wanted to wish you all well and a very happy Thanksgiving!" Would they ban me for that?
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Stephen the Friendly Skeptic
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2:46 pm
November 27, 2008
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CrowTRobot
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Just don't let the sarcasm drip on your keyboard.
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11:09 pm
November 27, 2008
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Stephen
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True, true… but not completely sarcastic. I have nothing against them as people. Happy Thanksgiving, TAPS 18+ Forum. :)
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Stephen the Friendly Skeptic
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6:59 am
November 29, 2008
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Oubliette
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Stephen said:
True, true… but not completely sarcastic. I have nothing against them as people. Happy Thanksgiving, TAPS 18+ Forum. 
Basically I feel the same way, but there is one moderator over there that I want to have just five minutes alone with-femina to femina-with an ensuing cat fight that should make the record books.
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If 50 million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
Anatole France
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10:33 am
December 1, 2008
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Funny, I can find all sorts of negative stuff.
Though the Halloween-LIVE thread IS locked, the Results thread isn't.
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6:40 pm
December 1, 2008
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Anthon
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jack said:
Funny, I can find all sorts of negative stuff.
Though the Halloween-LIVE thread IS locked, the Results thread isn't.
Reeeaaalllyy !!!!!,
Jack,
Just curious,
Do you consider yourself a skeptic ???????
Regards
Anthon
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8:33 pm
December 1, 2008
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Stephen
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Whoa! This thread's edgy enough without ad hominem attacks or insinuation. Let's play nice, kids. :)
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Stephen the Friendly Skeptic
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8:43 am
December 2, 2008
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CrowTRobot
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@ Stephan: Just kidding about the dripping sarcasm. I just like that line.
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9:21 am
December 2, 2008
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Do you consider yourself a skeptic ???????
It's a valid question, Stephen, it's pretty clear I come off as "Jack the Believer". So I should answer.
Yes, Anthon, I DO consider myself a skeptic. For example, I read the posts made here and decided to go see for myself. And what do I find? There are still quite a number of negative posts available to be read–particularly on the 'collargate' thread which, while closed to new comments after some 300+ pages, can still be read and still has an open venue in the 'Results' thread–which has 100+ pages of comment–again with a good deal of negative posting.
My skepticism was rewarded. It has not yet become a police state on the TAPS site. Not quite. Unfortunately, there seem to be a lot of people over there who are all too eager to pull on a brown shirt.
See, I was able to go see, and get proof, so I can make an informed judgement.
I can't do that with Collargate. I can see all the theories, and I can even admit that they are cause for concern–but I have no way to KNOW that it didn't happen the way Grant says it did. So I err on the side of GH–because the question, in the end, comes down to taking them at their word–which is what I accepted as a base when I started watching the show.
I cannot be there with them, verifying things for myself, so I take them at their word.
They get a slight leg up here in that I went to one of the places they investigated and I had the exact same experience as one that they did–the 'reflections' in glassless windows. Not a 'similar' experience–but the exact same one–and so did quite a few other people.
So I'm willing to look at Grant with no small bit of trepidation, but still insist that the jury is out.
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2:04 pm
December 2, 2008
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Bobarino
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Jack,
As far as "Colloargate" goes, to quote Occam's Razor:
“The simplest solution that satisfies all of the facts is usually correct”
As a skeptic I never believe unless proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Including my own personal experiences, I always look to non-supernatural reasons first. Only after those are eliminated can you move on.
Simple fact, there are just too many ways the cause behind this video was non-supernatural, hence I do not believe. The video was very damning. By no way is it proven beyond a shadow of a doubt based on that alone.
In this field it is NOT enough to take someone on their word. Proof is needed and the video does not make the cut, with all the suspicious activities clearly visible. Of course everyone can make their own judgement, but as a skeptic I cannot take that seriously. That one clip is the reason I found this website.
Sincerely,
Bobarino
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