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10:14 am March 20, 2009
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During the investigation, Steve shows what he thinks is the thernal of the attic door closing by itself.
He is corrected, the door is opening at the time, and we never see any thermal footage of the door actually closing.
BUT – what was mysterious about the door opening at all ? If it did not open on it's own, Steve should have seen someone come through the door, and dismissed it. Conversely, if noone came through and noone would own up to opening the door and not entering, it it would have been evidence on it's own.
Did Steve try to slip something by ?
To compound things, during the reveal Grant takes pains to explain the thermal camera looking down the hallway at the door, and is almost appologetic saying " this is the best we got " … Yet, we never see it — the clip shown to us is Pilgrim footage showing Jason's reaction and the closed door.
Did the client see some thermal footage, but upon review Pilgrim decides that there is something wrong and Skeptical Viewers will pick it apart ?
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11:02 am March 20, 2009
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I agree about the door incident. It left both of us here scratching our heads. By the way, J should patent that puzzled look. I expect it will fiind its way into being one of those over-used still shots for the show.
On another note, I couldn't help laughing when Ami, Kristyn Gartland and Kris Williams were in the attic smiling and talking in a huddle when upon hearing a voice/sound, Kris tells Ami to rewind the recorder only to hear the pronouncement that the brand "new" batteries are dead. The kicker then was Ami's comment about not being use to cold weather and she didn't know how batteries operated in the cold. My partner screamed WHAT? and then promptly walked out of the room saying he was done with the show.
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12:23 pm March 20, 2009
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Also,
Steve crawled around in the attic and found droppings and a carcas of what looked like a rodent of sorts. That would explain at least some of the sounds, but I didn't catch them mentioning that in the reveal.
Ah well…
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12:32 pm March 20, 2009
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I won't ever believe them saying that a door closes on its own unless they have filmed the door they speak about from both sides at the same time.
I also noticed that when the banging noises were heard most of the time the banging was heard Grant was not seen on the screen….. made me just a little bit suspicious… and even if he did nothing…. houses make sounds… "wood is working" like my mother used to say….
and something not to this case but a case I recently saw… (I saidly don't know which one it was) but they had like a moving fan, some kind of what I would describe as "howling" noise and doors closing…… it only took me a second to ask myself if they maybe did not somehow create a draft through the house…. it's not that hard to do something like that….
well nevermind I keep watching just for the fun of it…. because if you can't say for sure that things are faked… and if you can't say it… you can still try to disprove it…. but there is also a minimal chance that it might be real evidence of something paranormal…. tho…. you also never can say for sure they are evidence of that… so it's somehow fun to interpret what they find for yourself… tho so far I only have categorized their findings in "fake" and "unsure about it" :O…. still have nothing in my category "unexplainable" tho maybe the augustine lighthouse case (the first visit did not watch the halloweens episode)… has there been any interpretation of that? (I mean I thought about bat a bit…. then again the other one on the stairs did not really seem batlike to me, tho if they film in the dark you can't really say that… because it is hard to know how it would look like in the dark…)
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1:01 pm March 20, 2009
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I just kept muttering to myself…OMG…WTF…OMG.
Just when you think they can't…..They do.
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3:54 pm March 20, 2009
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What might be even stranger is Steve's introduction to the audio clip during the Findings -
" Jason actually says uh this is one of the creepiest DOLLS I've even seen "
OK – Jason actually said BABY … no big deal there, but then Steve goes out his way to compound the error by giving us even more information -
"talking about uh a doll in one of the rooms"
Here we have this seasoned investigator, used to digging out the faintest of evp's from the static.
He not only dosen't hear his boss's voice correctly, but for no reason he creates from thin air an explanation for what he incorrectly heard.
a little second question … why would they be listening to these on the recorder ? One would think they would download these right to the comp and go from there. At least it would be easier to loop suspected EVP's
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4:38 pm March 20, 2009
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The Doctor said:
a little second question … why would they be listening to these on the recorder ? One would think they would download these right to the comp and go from there. At least it would be easier to loop suspected EVP's
Not sure, but I bet it's the same reason you see them reviewing the video evidence on the friggen' 2" screen of the camera rather than on a regular monitor!!
Steve is notorious for not knowing what is going on and still trying to give a play by play of what supposably (sic) happened. Witness Fort Mifflin.
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5:14 pm March 20, 2009
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Not just that, but Steve has many times relayed to Tango (or whoever is his partner at the moment) the wrong information that had been previously told to Jay and Grant by the client at the beginning of the show. He just has a hard time getting facts straight.
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5:37 pm March 20, 2009
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Oubliette said:
Not just that, but Steve has many times relayed to Tango (or whoever is his partner at the moment) the wrong information that had been previously told to Jay and Grant by the client at the beginning of the show. He just has a hard time getting facts straight.
In one episode there is a gal in the room with Steve during analysis. Steve is moving all around, can't concentrate, looking up and down etc. She asks if he as ADD. Might explain a few things if he can't pay attention during the walk-through.
In the Kimball episode Steve tells Tango that they recognize Charlotte from a photo. The client said that it was Benjamin they recognized. Could be they also recognized Charlotte from a photo and it was edited out, but still…
And in this episode (Star Island) Kris is telling the other two gals about the boy who "fell off the cliff and hit his head and died" I wonder if this is the same story about the boy who just fell on the rocks (not _off a cliff_) and perhaps Steve embellished a bit when relating the story to her.
Telephone game again…if only Kris is told what happened, and it's up to her to tell the other two, then the other two are getting third-hand information:
(Client -> J/G/S -> Kris -> Kristin/Amy). (and then Steve -> Tango)
Not the best way of doing things in my opinion!
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5:56 pm March 20, 2009
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Here's a thought …
Have the rest of the cast listening to the walk-through on a wireless mike – You'll get the straight story, an idea of the range of the mikes and might even catch an EVP !
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6:00 pm March 20, 2009
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The Doctor said:
… and might even catch an EVP !
What do you mean "might"? LOL I'd lay about 100:1 odds on it!
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6:21 pm March 20, 2009
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During the investigation, Steve shows what he thinks is the thernal of the attic door closing by itself.
He is corrected, the door is opening at the time, and we never see any thermal footage of the door actually closing.
BUT – what was mysterious about the door opening at all ? If it did not open on it's own, Steve should have seen someone come through the door, and dismissed it. Conversely, if noone came through and noone would own up to opening the door and not entering, it it would have been evidence on it's own.
I totally agree. Why wouldn't they show the thermal image as someone enters the attic? As someone has mentioned, they seem to be on a debunking kick and this "catch" somehow increases their credibility. Although in my mind it just raises a whole bunch of questions. What/Who actually opened the door? If they can show that someone came in and then closed the door then they've totally debunked a paranormal event.
And Steve's bungling of the intro to the EVP – I thought I had misunderstood what they were looking at, but apparently it's just Steve that doesn't know what's going on. You'd think that as he's presenting the evidence to J&G they would correct him on the circumstances and then they could re-shoot the evidence review and reveal and help Steve save face.
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6:25 pm March 20, 2009
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And Steve's bungling of the intro to the EVP – I thought I had misunderstood what they were looking at, but apparently it's just Steve that doesn't know what's going on. You'd think that as he's presenting the evidence to J&G they would correct him on the circumstances and then they could re-shoot the evidence review and reveal and help Steve save face.
You'd think they would but in the Fort Mifflin case, Steve goes on and on setting up the scene and both J&G stand there and nod. Then they go to the client and Grant tells a completely different story (I was finally able to piece together that Grant's version was the correct one) It really hurts the credibility of the whole show when you get such blatantly different stories and no one says "uh, no, wait a minute, we were actually doing such and such"
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6:35 pm March 20, 2009
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Nosfer said:
The Doctor said:
… and might even catch an EVP !
What do you mean "might"? LOL I'd lay about 100:1 odds on it!
Interesting question -
HEY Tech Mangler Steve – If the wireless mike does not have a recorder on the receiving end, are the EVP's sent over the radio link anyway ?
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6:43 pm March 20, 2009
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The Doctor said:
Interesting question -
HEY Tech Mangler Steve – If the wireless mike does not have a recorder on the receiving end, are the EVP's sent over the radio link anyway ?
And…as a followup…since the whole "theory" behind EVPs is the manipulation of the recording device (which would have to be the transmitter in this case), why can they not then listen to the EVP in real-time. Since the manipulation has to take place at the transmitter, all they have to do is split that signal and let someone listen real-time who can then inform the people asking questions what sort of responses they are getting.
If the transmitter is infact the device that is NOT being manipulated, then there should never be an EVP recorded unless it is from an entity in the same area as the RECEIVER and who is manipulating the recording circuits of the RECEIVER directly. It seems very unlikely that the recording circuits of the receiver would be manipulated via a ghostly signal sent wirelessly…if you subscribe to all the theories we've been told about EVPs, that is.
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11:31 am March 21, 2009
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The Doctor said:
Here's a thought …
Have the rest of the cast listening to the walk-through on a wireless mike – You'll get the straight story, …
That might work better than my suggesetion of just having the whole team go – you're only talking about 3 or 4 more people. I'm sure most these places gives tours that have more than the whole TAPS team.
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7:11 pm May 4, 2009
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Hello,
I have been catching up on GH and I am on Star Island . Did anyone see the child about 15 min in sitting or standing on the left side of the screen looking at Jason? The house that had the vault in it the museum. If you haven't you should look at it again. Jason or Grant look for yourself.
Thanks
John
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10:47 pm May 8, 2009
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John said:
Hello,
I have been catching up on GH and I am on Star Island . Did anyone see the child about 15 min in sitting or standing on the left side of the screen looking at Jason? The house that had the vault in it the museum. If you haven't you should look at it again. Jason or Grant look for yourself.
Thanks
John
At 15 minutes in it's the girls, and after that is J & G in doctor's cottage. At 10 mins or so J&G are in the house with the vault, but I didn't see a child anywhere in there. Can you be more specific, I would like to see it if it is really there.
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