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10:11 am
October 18, 2010


Judy Holiday

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I just want to say thank-you to Rev and Mugs for taking the time to answer my questions about the lighthouse.I have to admit that I believed that this one episode was legit and thats when I decided to ask you guys on here what you thought about the whole scenario.I've also wondered if the lighthouse keeper was privy to what actually went down or if he was kept in the dark just like the public.How many on here believe that the lighthouse keeper (Brian?) knew about the hoax or if he was kept in the dark to make the scene come off more dramatic? would love to hear some opinions thanks in advance.

1:07 am
October 19, 2010


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Judy Holiday: "I've also wondered if the lighthouse keeper was privy to what actually went down or if he was kept in the dark just like the public.How many on here believe that the lighthouse keeper (Brian?) knew about the hoax or if he was kept in the dark to make the scene come off more dramatic?"

Hmmm…"about the hoax…"  A couple of words on that first…

Mugs and I, for the time being, having differing opinions of what happened that fateful night at the lighthouse.  I am saying that the members of TAPS were chasing their own shadows.  That is not "hoaxing"…that is just being an idiot.  If they discovered this during the review and ignored it or they discovered this during post production and still portrayed it as paranormal, that just makes them dishonest idiots. 

On the other hand, Mugs is maintaining that either members of TAPS or the crew were intentionally moving about to capture weird effects on the video.  This would indeed be hoaxing.  That's a strong accusation and one that personally I'm not prepared to pull the trigger on.  I'm not saying that there isn't the possibility.  With their track record, there is certainly a chance.  It's just that I personally haven't seen a "smoking gun" moment (such as Collargate where one could "almost" see the fishing line tugging on Grant's collar and Jason desperately trying to ignore him…or the Manson FLIR debacle).

By watching the show for years now, it seems more likely to me that they were chasing their own shadows.  They definitely move forward after shadows instead of turning around to see if anything is casting it.  We see this all the time.  My absolute favorite was when Brian saw a shadow while in Ireland and Barry (his first or second appearance on GH) yelling at him to get out and shut the door…and of course, it is Brian's own shadow.  So chasing their own shadows at the lighthouse seems to me a much more likely scenario than flat out hoaxing.  But again…I won't rule out hoaxing…I just haven't seen enough evidence yet to make that claim.

Now…as for the lighthouse keeper, I don't see any reason to believe that he wasn't completely legit.  A TV show wanted to feature his lighthouse/museum so that's exciting for him.  They come up with very strange evidence which is also exciting for him.  Thinking that all this may lead to more profit, well, again…exciting for him.  I don't remember anything that he said or did that would lead one to believe that he was "covering" anything.

Also, keep in mind…if my "shadow theory" is correct, then TAPS themselves believed the shadows to be something paranormal.  So the lighthouse keeper would just react to their honesty.  If TAPS discovered that their paranormal shadows were actually their own shadows…they certainly wouldn't let the lighthouse keeper know about it.  And if Mugs is correct…then no way, shape or form is TAPS admitting that to him.  So…I don't see how he could have known anything or why TAPS would let him on anything if any weirdness was going on.

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

6:09 am
October 19, 2010


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For now I have to throw my hat into the "unaware" category rather than this being staged. As I said above, these guys ain't the best actors and what I saw appeared to have a pretty good ring about it. Many of their "events" you can tell are scripted. I did not get that sensation here. The thing that puzzles me, then, is the motion-light.

The lighthouse itself, yup cashing in on that. And rather dearly, too. It's a pretty penny if you want to be there after dark.

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11:30 pm
October 20, 2010


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Nosfer said: "The lighthouse itself, yup cashing in on that. And rather dearly, too. It's a pretty penny if you want to be there after dark."

I know that the forum has had ethical debates over this type of thing.  Personally, I don't have a problem with it.  If people want to go to a lighthouse/museum and chase around whatever…fine.  If that helps keep the doors open to the public, then so be it.

@Judy – Hopefully you had a chance to watch tonights (Oct 20) GH episode (S06E19 The Chopping Block).  It basically had everything that we've been discussing…

In the basement, Steve and Tango discover that shadows are tricky indeed.  Apparently K.J. is walking outside and casting some weird shadows.  To Steve and Tango's amazement, they have an "eureka" moment and discover light refraction.  Yes, light hitting old glass at weird angles can throw shadows all over the place.  Shocking.  Some of the shadows, like those seen in the St. Augustine episode, seemed quite solid as well.  Too bad Steve and Tango didn't discover this light refraction thing a bit sooner… Laughing

Then we move on to Britt and K.J. stalking a shadow in another part of the building.  As they walk around, you can literally see the lights of the town outside the windows.  Doesn't matter.  Britt thinks he sees a shadow moving around.  Does he consider what happened earlier with Steve and Tango?  Not in the least.  He intently watches the shadow and takes off after it.  Again…literally chasing shadows.  And I still don't know what the objective is with that.  Perhaps he hopes to use a nail and nail the shadow to the floor like in Peter Pan.  In any event…this is exactly what we saw in the St. Augustine episode, people running towards shadows without a care in the world that they just might be normal shadows as opposed to paranormal entities.

Lastly…you asked about the lighthouse keeper (I could be wrong, but I think he was just the manager).  I believe that his interests were honest and well as his reactions.  Only afterwards did he figure out that he could cash in.  Tonight's episode with the building manager…another story.  J&G could have played any sound and he would have considered it paranormal.  They literally could have said or shown anything and he was going with it, matching it up with whatever personal experience, and making plans on how to market them to the ghost-touring public.  Maybe he saw the dollar signs…maybe he was ordered to, I'm uncertain.  But whatever the case…that guy was all about turning the paranormal into cash.  Again…I'm not against that necessarily. 

Just saying that the lighthouse guy just probably responded to requests for ghost tours and turned into a cash cow.  Keep in mind, at that point GH was still primarily investigating private homes as opposed to businesses.  The "GH/Ghost Tour" effect from being on the show wasn't clearly established yet.

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

7:36 am
October 21, 2010


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I'll have to dig out my Edictum De Pretiis Rerum Venalium and see if Diocletian included a portion about the amounts for haunted lighthouses and asylums! :)

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11:55 am
October 21, 2010


Judy Holiday

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I was able to watch the chopping block episode and it did seem a bit too much when Britt decided to sprint after a shadow on the wall.I have to admit that I still feel like they were at their most authentic in St.Augustine but I am able to now say that it was most likely due to camera angles and lighting.Btw,why did they stop taking cases in private homes? is it because they can make more money at public forums? I think if they would alternate between private and public venues it might help with some of the boring aspects of the show.I'll probably get laughed at for saying that but I guess were all entitled to our own opinions right?

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