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10:30 pm
June 4, 2009


The Doctor

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The old timers will know, but "sheetie" was the black appairation that appeared at the Pennitentiary  and the basement of the bar… basically looked like a person in a black sheet.

I've removed the IR filters from a few digital cameras and gotten impressive results using blank exposed color negative as a flash and lens  filter.

BUT … I have not found a cloth that shows black under IR.

Interesting … as "sheetie" shows up black  and each time was supposed to be om IR cameras

comments ?

3:51 am
June 5, 2009


Learjet

Australia

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posts 1122

IR penetrates dye in fabric, so if something was only dyed black, the camera will show it's real tone underneath. If something's true tone is black it should show as black, I think. But then where would undyed black fabric come from?

OD'd on EMF

8:05 am
June 5, 2009


Mary

Pondering what you're pondering

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posts 147

Learjet said:

IR penetrates dye in fabric, so if something was only dyed black, the camera will show it's real tone underneath. If something's true tone is black it should show as black, I think. But then where would undyed black fabric come from?


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8:10 am
June 5, 2009


Wallydraigle

Ohio

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posts 114

How do we know it's actually IR footage?  Take their word for it? Innocent

Does anyone have a video of when they had Steve running around up there with a sheet on his head?  Youtube isn't cooperating.

8:32 am
June 5, 2009


chrispycritters

Cal

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posts 17

 I think. But then where would undyed black fabric come from?

I hear that bah-ing black sheep has three bags full.  Wink  The word is still out on his demonic status, but…him being a sheep and all…

9:29 am
June 5, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Lol, wool sheet? Would pigment may act similar to dye anyway?

If I'm thinking of the same episode, the penitentiary black mass just looked like random noise to me.

About GH and their IR. I don't know how they have setup their gear. They are using an IR light source, yes, but do the cameras have any sort of filter over the lens to filter out normal light? There are different IR filters available, with different IR pass specs also. I don't think it's very deep IR, otherwise we should be seeing through their clothes more than what we do (massive disappointment when I first started watching the show Lol).

OD'd on EMF

1:23 pm
June 5, 2009


Revenant

Hopelessly Locked In A "Fear Cage"

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posts 1393

The Doctor said:

BUT … I have not found a cloth that shows black under IR.


Hmmm…why does the sheet have to be cloth?  What about a thin black shower curtain made of plastic?  It would "flutter" is a similar manner to cloth.  As for how that would show up on IR?  No clue.

"Skepticism is not a position, it's a process." -Dr Michael Shermer

3:12 pm
June 5, 2009


blinddog

Special Agent Zombie Elimination Agency

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posts 857

Any type of insulating material would cover any heat signature wouldn't it.
During cold weather and using the FLIR you see the heat from their heads, but their body heat does not register because of their coats,
If I remember correctly they were using a camera with ir lights and not a ir camera.
There shouldn't be any heat register at all.
Wasn't everything in black and white?

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3:15 pm
June 5, 2009


Wallydraigle

Ohio

Investigator

posts 114

Revenant said:

The Doctor said:

BUT … I have not found a cloth that shows black under IR.


Hmmm…why does the sheet have to be cloth?  What about a thin black shower curtain made of plastic?  It would "flutter" is a similar manner to cloth.  As for how that would show up on IR?  No clue.


I was thinking some black acrylic fabric or something.  Which is why I wanted to nail down a video of Bryan running around with a sheet on his head.  Because if fabrics which show up black under IR are somewhat rare and hard to come by, and they just happened to have one there with them, it would imply (At least to me) that it's the same sheet both times, and they were in on the hoax.

8:17 pm
June 5, 2009


Stephen

San Jose, CA

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Hearsay, but I heard in an interview with the Ghost Divas and Kenneth Biddle where he claimed that Sheetie at the Penitentiary was a member of the staff playing a joke on the Hunters. That would square fairly well with their claims of being away at dinner at the time.

Edited to make it clearer what I was talking about. -S

Stephen the Friendly Skeptic

8:45 pm
June 5, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Anyone have a vidcap?

OD'd on EMF

11:08 am
June 6, 2009


Hannah

Texas

Lead Investigator

posts 361

Learjet said:

Anyone have a vidcap?


Learjet,

I don't know if this was what you were looking for.  On the material, could it have been a large (contractor size) black trash bag?

http://ghost-hunters-x.com/wp-content/gallery/ghost-pictures/eastern-state-penitentiary-ghost.jpg

12:19 pm
June 6, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Yeah that's the one, season 1 episode 5. I had it archived on DVD-R. Unfortunately the disc has gone to god, thanks be to a bad burn or a bad DVD-R. I hate optical recording media.

OD'd on EMF

7:13 pm
June 6, 2009


phillyk48

Indiana

Investigator

posts 81

Here you go Learjet.  Episode 5 of Eastern State.  For the "ghost" see Part 3  at about 1:25 in.  Then Brian with the sheet over his head, Part 5, about 2:30 in

http://extremeghosthunters.com/ghosthunters/1-5.html

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7:47 pm
June 6, 2009


Wallydraigle

Ohio

Investigator

posts 114

Nice!  The way the walkway is illuminated in the recreation you can really see everything that going on.  Which kind of makes you wonder why they didn't do that the first time, but that's neither here nor there.

I'd still like to know about how hard to find a cloth is which shows up black under IR.  In The Doctor's experience, pretty hard to find, apparently.  Which kind of makes you wonder why TAPS would have one just lying around.

In the end all we really have to go by is their word, which isn't worth much anymore.

12:02 am
June 7, 2009


Learjet

Australia

Lead Investigator

posts 1122

Thanks phillyk48.

OD'd on EMF

8:43 am
June 7, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

If I remember the episode correctly, wasn't it Brian who made such a big deal about being afraid to run down along the pathway and also say the rail was so low he was afraid one would fall off the edge?  I always thought that was a ridiculous claim given the fact that the rail appeared to me to be at least about 3-4' high.  Too much complaining by the leading person in the "running" so to speak.  To me, I have absolutely no doubt it was hoaxed any way you look at it and I firmly believe it was Brian.  Perhaps he thought he would do it as a joke and didn't think the footage would be used but I don't think there was a lot in that episode.  Otherwise, why go to the trouble of adding the problem they had with Brian Bell, etc.  Too much filler and bickering storyline which to me made it seem like they had to enhance the episode by bumping it up a bit.  It was also interesting that they show it was Brian, not Steve, who "found" the footage during the review.  I know it's a stretch, because I don't know if anyone connected with the show is that forward thinking, but was this another subliminal way of linking Brian, who Jason appeared to bully and constantly pick on every time there was a screw up? 

10:35 pm
June 7, 2009


Wallydraigle

Ohio

Investigator

posts 114

alicat said:

If I remember the episode correctly, wasn't it Brian who made such a big deal about being afraid to run down along the pathway and also say the rail was so low he was afraid one would fall off the edge?


Yeah, he said he couldn't see anything with the sheet over his head and was afraid to run too fast.  Which is understandable, it probably was a little weird.  But it doesn't even look like the figure was moving that fast.  The light doesn't reach very far, and the wide angle of the footage exaggerates motion towards/away from the camera.  It looks like whoever did it started out in the dark just out of the range of the light, took a couple steps forward into the light, and immediately backed back out.  Which would have required specific knowledge of how the equipment was set up, and couldn't be done by someone just blundering by.

6:16 am
June 8, 2009


alicat

Lead Investigator

posts 1215

Wallydraigle,

That was my point.  Someone had to know how the equipment was set up to go back and forth in such a limited fashion.  I thought Brian protested too much and from what I saw, it wasn't Steve.   I'm not sure about it being understandable or weird though.  They are used to investigating in the dark and, as we both agree, it was a rather short distance.

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