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7:11 pm May 31, 2011
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Post edited 7:13 pm – May 31, 2011 by Nosfer
Note the time change for this episode, one hour earlier than the typical time.
In this episode, Josh Gates of DT "fame" joins Grant, Jason, Britt (yay), Amy, Dave, and Adam (double yay) to investigate a few things around Pearl Harbor…notably a haunted hanger and it seems also the Arizona Memorial.
I will say no more at this point as I've already registered my disgust at their doing this.
If you've missed any of the Season 7 episodes, you're in luck because there is an all-day marathon running just prior to this. (triple yay)
Drinking Situations: Any of Britt's typical BS about shadows and sounds.
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2:08 am June 1, 2011
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I am so underwhelmed by anything these jokers do these days. I am just waiting for the day a press release states that their show has been cancelled.
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4:11 pm June 1, 2011
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Find it hard to comprehend thier realy going to do an investagation at such a sacred place.what a crock''
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7:19 pm June 1, 2011
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Yep, that gal could tell without a doubt that there was absolutely no one else in that totally cluttered room with her 
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7:21 pm June 1, 2011
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Now it's the power company that says that anything over 0.5 (0.7?) is bad!
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7:24 pm June 1, 2011
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Post edited 7:30 pm – June 1, 2011 by Nosfer
Light? What light? Lit up the whole area? I saw no light…anyone else?
Amy: "What the hell did we just see?" Uh…nothing.
Britt: "The fact that Amy and Adam saw it at the same time…" Uh…they were standing right next to each other, I hope they both saw it at the same time, given the speed of light and everything.
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9:52 am June 2, 2011
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"uh, uh, uh, Hey Beavis, this must be what it's like to be Godzilla and you're stomping on Tokyo". Huh, huh.
Uh yeah, cool.
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Double tap to the head. Don't become Undead.
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2:03 am June 3, 2011
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1.) The window pane darkening out… why do they always attempt to recreate the shadow by walking behind the window, as if someone was outside the building? Why not recreate the original path to see if maybe a shadow was caused by Jason walking towards the windows? I could also imagine some image trickery going on because as Josh pointed out, some of the panes were clear and others were dark. Might be hard to distinguish in a very dark room with your eyes trying to adjust.
2.) As Nosfer said, oh, the power companies say so? Man, I hate that EMF reader. It's good to use for debunking (detecting high EMF levels caused by natural or man-made materials within an enclosed space), but the way they use it as in "OMG EMF SPIKE" just annoys me.
3.) Once again, DAMN YOU CAMERAMAN. /pointing "hey! that room just mysteriously lit up? what the hell is that?" …why is the cameraman filming THEM and not the mysterious light? I think I've asked this question like 20 times before.
4.) I still really like Tango. I dunno. He doesn't anger me. Maybe cause he's just so dern cuuute. But really, I think he's good with debunking and seems to actually give a crap.
5.) I have been in an air hangar before. And this was a somewhat dinky one in Central Illinois, im assuming nowhere as big as the one at pearl harbor, but regardless, it was HUGE. i mean REALLY BIG. It would be SO easy to hear echoes, carrying voices, any sort of weird noise and interpret it as something else.
6.) Meh, flashlight games don't impress me anymore. Rolling flashlight = distorted wood or something. Did they put the flashlight in the exact same place? Hmm.
7.) "Aloha?" Okay, this is kind of nit-picky. You've got American soldiers who just so happen to be stationed in Hawaii. Not that Hawaii and aloha aren't awesome. It just made me giggle a bit.
8.) BACK TO THE HOME/CHILD CASES!!! ahahahah that phone call made my day. what heroes. for real. I liked the dramatic look they shot each other and then they went into the whole 'yes TAPS was founded on helping families blah blah please keep watching our show.'
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and I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
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2:44 am June 3, 2011
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Milli said:
6.) Meh, flashlight games don't impress me anymore. Rolling flashlight = distorted wood or something. Did they put the flashlight in the exact same place? Hmm.
Yes…it's amazing when you see round things roll, right? 
Nosfer, you listed this episode as S07S01. I'm uncertain if that's correct. I missed the original airing and just watched it at Youtube. If you plug in season 7, episode 1, it comes up as the one in Louisiana. This one at Youtube is listed as season 7, episode 10 (Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3for those of you that missed it). But really…I can't keep any of these shows straight anymore. I simply despise these new mini-half-seasons now of six episodes. Blah. But I do appreciate you listing the episodes by their number though. Makes it much easier to find on Youtube.
The show…meh. The evidence will be interesting because beyond the magnificent rolling flashlight gag…the show was really a bunch of nothing…
Points Awarded: To Jason…for losing some weight and getting into decent shape. No joke here…just pointing it out.
Points Taken Away: From Jason…for giving the "Brit's a good guy" speech at the end. He was fired for being a jerk and re-hired because he does a ton of TAPS appearances, classes, and seminars. Yeah…we get it. Don't sugar-coat it.
Points Completely Obliterated: By the attention-grabbing, we-really-care, this-wasn't-planned-at-all "Mission of Mercy." I feel kind of sick…
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4:09 am June 3, 2011
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Would someone please inform Josh Gates we figured out the K2 thumb lift 4 yrs ago in the Manson Murders episode.
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7:55 am June 3, 2011
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So…regarding the 0.5 EMF "warning"….
Anyone here besides me think they could get some work comp for spending 9 hours in an office, where, funny…TONS of florescent lighting is used?
Or do electricians purposely have the floating ceiling 12 feet high for a reason?
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8:40 am June 3, 2011
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Revenant said:
Nosfer, you listed this episode as S07S01. I'm uncertain if that's correct. I missed the original airing and just watched it at Youtube. If you plug in season 7, episode 1, it comes up as the one in Louisiana. This one at Youtube is listed as season 7, episode 10 (Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3for those of you that missed it). But really…I can't keep any of these shows straight anymore. I simply despise these new mini-half-seasons now of six episodes. Blah. But I do appreciate you listing the episodes by their number though. Makes it much easier to find on Youtube.
S07S01 is probably not what this one will shake out as. I don't know if this one is being billed as an "Episode" or a "Special" (leaning toward Special)…which has a different designation in their eyes so I just placed-held it as "Season 07 Special 01" (As opposed to S07E01…Season 07 Episode 01) When it all settles down I'll rename this one if need be. "Confusing" is an understatement lol
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9:10 am June 3, 2011
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Revenant said:
The show…meh. The evidence will be interesting because beyond the magnificent rolling flashlight gag…the show was really a bunch of nothing…
And we recall how much begging and pleading Amy did at Buffalo Central with the SFT. But it looked a lot better when they edited out all the dead time. I guess we can have an SRFT (Stupid Rolling Flashlight Trick) as a variation on the SFT.
Cylindrical object on flat surface…and it rolls. Wow! Notice that the bench does seem to be higher on the sides by a slight amount, possibly wear from people tending to sit more toward the center. And, of course, we again do not see simultaneous shots of the questions and the flashlight, we just have footage of the light going on and footage of the questions being asked, but all separate.
Regarding the rolling, Milli asked "Did they put the flashlight in the exact same place?"
What do you mean exact same place? Yes, I suppose they did since it appears that the second roll is a replay of the first roll…
They first show us the three flashlights and the recorder on the bench. The flashlights are mostly equidistant in the closeup shot. Then they show the scene where one of the lights (left most one) comes on, they are still spaced almost equidistant. The flashlight in question is in front of the 4th "open area" between the back slats (counted from the left) 3:06 to 3:09 here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..vVHVrJPGfg
Now look at 3:47/8 just before it rolls the first time. The make no mention of going over to the flashlight yet look how far apart the left and center lights are now. The left light then rolls and bumps into the middle flashlight, the lens capturing the IR camera reflection JUST before it hits causing it to reflect some light or appear to come on (but it doesn't)
At 4:04 Britt "resets" the flashlight. He places it quite a ways to the left, about where it appeared to start rolling from the "first time" The center flashlight appears to be a little askew, though…did they try this a couple times to get it right for the "final take"?
At 4:09-4:10 we get the "second roll" including the little bit of flare just before the rolling light hits the middle one.
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11:41 am June 3, 2011
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Post edited 2:46 pm – June 3, 2011 by Revenant
SRFT…nice. 
Nice observations. I think I was burning out by that point in the show…just too much "Did you hear that? (nope)" and "Did you see that? (nope)" I was also thrown off by them moving up the time and then not showing it a second time. Do you know if this is going to continue? (the new time, not if they aren't going to air the episode a second time on the same night)
I did forget a couple of small observations.
Krammer…the mysterious moving mannequin. So…he supposedly moves, but the place doesn't have a camera on him. TAPS is told about this, but they do not put a camera on him. Now, I did like their discussion on why Krammer may move. Yet…why not place a camera on him? The "client" is telling you some really amazing stories…you have a stationary target…one that you can easily debunk so you can look good (which they LOVE to do)…yet…no camera. Weird.
The other one…very early in the investigation, J&G do their "mimic-hearing" trick. You know…one says "I heard scurrying footsteps over there!" and the other INSTANTLY agrees, instantly looks at the other guy (to see where he's staring) and then stares at the same direction. What made this one particular funny is that Josh Gates is standing right next to them…and doesn't hear it and doesn't turn and isn't up on the "mimic-hearing" trick so is left out of the investigatory fun. (it's around 4:20 or so in the link "Part 1" listed in my previous post)
EDIT: The correct time index is around 11:40 in Part 1, not 4:20. Sorry about that…4:20 would have been the walk-through, not the investigation… :P
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11:53 am June 3, 2011
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And also there was the Special Events Planner who talked to the person and escorted him out only to later find that the security footage only showed her and not the person that she was talking to.
Wouldn't that have been neat footage to show GH and us, the viewers? It would have been. I must have missed it.
That also indicates that there is coverage of at least part of the camera all the time by cameras. But not the place where Kramer is? That's too bad. Of all the rotten luck. This would have been a perfect opportunity to show us their ability to use two pieces of equipment in support of each other. Aim a stationary camera at Kramer AND also put out maybe one of those handy-dandy geophones that Britt invented (cough!)
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2:59 pm June 3, 2011
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Nosfer said:
And also there was the Special Events Planner who talked to the person and escorted him out only to later find that the security footage only showed her and not the person that she was talking to.
Wouldn't that have been neat footage to show GH and us, the viewers? It would have been. I must have missed it.
Yes. I caught that too. I'm willing to chalk it up to the old "it was recorded over before we got around to printing out a copy." Or…no one really wanted a copy…which *tilts head side to side for a while * I can kind of buy as well. Although funny…it doesn't really prove anything. She may be the type of person who verbalizes her inner-dialogue (always a treat for those around that type of person). But it would have been awfully nice to mention the reason why the video clip wasn't shown.
Kind of like how they should have mentioned why the eye-witness was riding with a state trooper during the Bigfoot sighting recently shown on FBF. These paranormal-based shows are getting really bad with explaining just the simplest things…as opposed to the "big questions." It becomes taxing at times… 
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4:22 pm June 3, 2011
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Agreed. A bunch of nothing except the same old spotty paranormal investigation that we have now come to expect from GH. Also agreed about the annoying we saw a light, but of course, nothing caught it. The camera didn't even did catch a glimpse or a glimmer of it's reflection in the background of Adam and Amy so I guess it wasn't too bright as it seemingly was portrayed. I kind of figured something maybe up when they say that Steve stayed behind because of his flying issues and also made a point to say in case something comes up (not verbatim), and wouldn't you know, something did.
As for Josh Gates, when is he going to ditch these yahoos? I just watched a marathon of the 2007 season of Destination Truth, of which I have never seen before since I didn't have SyFy then. He was so much better back then. More skeptical, less showy and dramatic, and seemed to actually investigate, which I don't think he does so much now. Bonus points for not having a single episode that involved GH peeps! It seems a lot more gitchy now then back in the day when he first started out. I just wish he didn't jump on the GH bandwagon and would go back to investigating like he used to.
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4:27 pm June 3, 2011
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Methinks it isn't Josh's doing…he is under the rope of SciFi. They say he's going to do a crossover investigation, guess what, he does one. Sad, but the way the ball bounces.
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8:57 pm June 3, 2011
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Post edited 8:57 pm – June 3, 2011 by Nosfer Post edited 8:58 pm – June 3, 2011 by Nosfer
Just captured and superimposed the two frames dealing with the flashlight. The one titled "1" is the flashlight when it is doing the on and then off sequence. The one titled "2" is when they are looking at it just before it starts to roll. Note that at no time between the two did they go over to the flashlight nor say that it had moved. As you can see, the recorder (farthest to the right) and the rightmost flashlight do not move at all between scenes. The middle flashlight moves a bit to the right indicating that there has been some change over on that bench.
 
Now, after the end of each roll I captured a frame. The problem was capturing the right frame since they were moving flashlights around thus lighting changed somewhat as did the person standing to the right of the camera but I think I captured close to the same set of frames from the end of the first roll and the end of the second roll and the odds of two separate times having a moving flashlight and moving person coincide are pretty slim. The positions of everything on the bench are indentical. Pretty precise ghost wouldn't you say?
As always, click images to enlarge.
 
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