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S07E14: Ghostly Evidence (14-Sep-2011, 9pm E)

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9:02 am
September 14, 2011


Nosfer

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Alright, folks, this is the big one. After this episode, we can all stop watching for we will have had our answer. Be on the look out for a Full-Body Apparition finally caught on video. Does this mean they've quietly dismissed Fort Mifflin, Fort Delaware, the Records Room and a host of others? But as Steve says "I don't think we've ever seen anything like this, ever."

This episode will "Put all doubts to rest".

Wait a sec…I just realized that the excited announcer guy didn't say "Put all doubts [about _____] to rest" Just that it will put all doubts to rest.

The team goes to Townsend, MA, to search for evidence in what is called a "house museum" Wait…where does John Zaffis keep his stuff? No, that's in Stratford, Connecticut. Well, at least we don't have a cross-over going on. It appears to be the place where a grieving mother committed suicide and then has haunted four generations of the family afterward.

We witness yet another basement with lots of wires and high EMF, a veritable fear cage. This is to lull the audience into believing that they are in "debunk mode" and that they truly don't expect to find anything although they do hear footsteps while down there. We've seen this misdirection ploy many times before, haven't we.

I'd truly like to be able to accept this great evidence at face value but, given the past, the most this can be is a "hmmmm, interesting." For those of us who have witnessed the Manson episode and the oodles of SFTs and K2-conversations, this episode is not likely to put any doubts to rest. 'Tis really a shame. If they ever do capture THE evidence, THE proof of the paranormal, the findings will forever be tainted by past incidents.

Sit back and watch, if nothing else, it should prove to be an interesting episode.

Point to Ponder: If this is the one to put all doubts to rest, to finally prove things, that "once in seven years event" where they capture something, isn't the rest of the series going to be awfully anticlimactic?

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10:27 am
September 14, 2011


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Naw, because from here on out we'll see more full apparitions. They gotta keep the momentum going, afterall.

Of course, the telling thing is, Steve saying, "We've never seen anything like this before".. well, actually, haven't they?  Don't they often see someone just around the corner, but somehow the film crew never manages to capture it?  So if he means "on tape", then okay, maybe (I don't recall); but otherwise, he's inadverdently saying their previous claims were bogus.

 

Speaking of full body apps, what do you guys think of these?

http://www.sjgr.org/burllib2010.html

This well known group operates 15 minutes from my house, they're based in the town I grew up in.

Having an open mind is a two way street.

6:44 pm
September 14, 2011


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Post edited 7:18 pm – September 14, 2011 by Nosfer


I'd like to run some tests to recreate the one walking behind the display cabinet.  They show an example of what motion blur looks like, but they don't have the EXIF intact so I can't tell if it's the same shutter speed as the ones of the "entity" walking behind the display cabinet.  The resulting blur is going to look different if it's a person walking with purpose vs just some people sitting and standing mostly still which is what their example photo shows.

Edited:  The webpage says "The entire photo is in focus except for the anomaly so it's not a motion blur."  No, not motion blur from the camera moving but it certainly could be motion blur from the OBJECT/PERSON moving!  The photographer should play the lottery.  Takes a 3-shot burst at random…and gets the best framing possible, not just of one shot, but in all three shots.  That's pretty darn good!

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8:21 pm
September 14, 2011


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The SFT:

Amy says they use two to get it to narrow it down to yes and no responses.  They didn't do a single yes/no nor designated one as yes and the other as no.

Amy asks if it could turn the other one on (the one that was not going being manipulated) and it turns the opposite on (the one that had been going on and off prior) but that's still "wow" for them.

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8:54 pm
September 14, 2011


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Post edited 8:54 pm – September 14, 2011 by Nosfer


Flashlights on gravestone were caught in the thermal and the one that had been "manipulated by the spirit" was warmer than the other ones.

So was the flashlight at the Stanley on GHA. 

But Grant (back when J&G were performing the SFT) said that the flashlight was "wicked cold" after the spirit turned it on and off.

Hmmmm, what gives?

And, again, three flashlights just triples the odds that "A" flashlight is going to come on but with no designation of a yes, no, maybe or other answer or signficance assigned to them, it's meaningless.

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8:29 am
September 15, 2011


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They spent less time on the apparition than Maddi backing away from "something" a couple weeks ago.  Hmmmm….

2:28 pm
September 15, 2011


Milli

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I was surprised that this was a 2 cases episode… you'd expect them to milk this apparition thing as much as possible.

and I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

2:44 pm
September 15, 2011


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That part of the reveal, especially, seemed "rushed"  As in here, look at this, don't think about it too much, move along, fist bump, on to the next.  There should have been MUCH more attempts at showing how various figures looked, especially coming down the steps from that hidden area on the landing rather than just walking across the field briefly.

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9:18 pm
September 15, 2011


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Post edited 9:25 pm – September 15, 2011 by Learjet
Post edited 9:28 pm – September 15, 2011 by Learjet


Looks like the "apparition" put a piece of electronic equipment in their pocket. Since when did ghosts start using electronics? The production crew strike again.

OD'd on EMF

7:56 am
September 16, 2011


Eric

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Yeah that's what I was thinking too.  If you take a look at the example of Jason walking into the IR, you'll see slight shadowing, similar to the "apparition" when it appears.

Perhaps the crew slowly walked straight from behind the IR?  Also curious though that since it's a motion camera, and not a personal recorder, there's a little flicker just before Casper disappears.  Hmmmm…not sure if you can pause/hold a motion camera.

 

8:54 am
September 16, 2011


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I don't think it is a motion-activated camera, I think the motion detection portion is in the software when it is played back.  There is definitely something being held in the right hand of the figure.

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8:45 pm
September 16, 2011


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I know, it's a ghost hunting humans in the spirit dimension with an EMF meter on the show "Human Hunters". Laugh Hahahaha! Full body apparition my donkey. Exactly how dim are these people?

Speaking of dim, the SFT was as lame as ever. Talking to a flashlight going through thermal oscillations. Loved to hate this episode.

 

OD'd on EMF

11:32 am
September 17, 2011


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Nosfer said:

I don't think it is a motion-activated camera, I think the motion detection portion is in the software when it is played back.  There is definitely something being held in the right hand of the figure.


 

Agreed.  When you see those squares popping on and off screen, that's where the software is detecting changes in the pixels, and triggering the shots. It's really kind of annoying to keep them on during playback though, there should be a way during playback to turn them off, it as gets in the way of the shot and distracts the eye.. maybe that's what they wanted it to do….hmm..

 

The SFT was funny, as you pointed out it just wasn't done with any real logic or scientific process to it. One as yes, the other as no, would've been better.  They should use the FLIR to monitor the flashlights during the test as well, (as long they're LED FLs, as lamp type FLs might show heat just from the lamp)and also an EMF meter to see if they register anything simultaneously, which, according to all the theories, they should;  but they never seem to use two different tools at the same time, no doubt because it would probably cast doubt on these things when one or the other failed to show anything.  Now, if at the same time the light turned on, the EMF meter went wild and the FLIR showed a large patch of heat over the FL, I'd be impressed.

 

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12:29 pm
September 17, 2011


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They did show the EMF next to the flashlight that was turning on at the Stanley during GHA.  And it was dead as a doornail.  And the flashlight was also very warm (and, according to Grant, it should be "wicked cold")

GA (in the guise of the Paranormal Challenge) had a ghost change the temperature around the Mel Meter to 66.6.  At the same time, the EMF registered on the device was, you guessed it, zilch, nada, zip.  I think they are proving that EMF as an indicator of spirit activity is a "no-go"

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3:56 pm
September 17, 2011


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Post edited 3:57 pm – September 17, 2011 by Nosfer


Here is a sequence of photos.  The first is Steve walking at the top of the steps about to come down and sit almost exactly where the FBA was seen.  Notice he has an EMF in his hand and is holding his hand very much like the FBA…he's placing it in his jacket pocket.  When he comes down and sits on the steps, he has it back out.  Then I presume he got up and pocketed it (which was captured as the FBA)  Too bad they don't have timestamps on anything, what an oversight on their point cough cough

When he gets up, he does have it still in his hand, but I wonder how many takes that scene took?  Notice also that he has a cuff that comes in the same place.

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8:30 pm
September 17, 2011


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I don't think it's Steve's EMF meter. He usually carries a non illuminated digital type. I'm not sure exactly which piece of electronic equipment it is.

OD'd on EMF

9:04 pm
September 17, 2011


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The one in his hand appears to be a digital recorder, it looks a bit more narrow than the emf detector.  I can matrix a distinct thumb from the hand and it would be in the right position to be holding it.  The top bright light is a reflection off the wall behind.  The other three lights appear to move in a swishing motion in the frames before the one that I posted so presumably are being carried by the figure…but are they attached to the object in his hand?  I would assume so since they do seem to move with it, but they do seem to be separate given the way it is held.  The only thing I can think of with a similar configuration would be a DVR, but from the one Grant is carrying, I'm not sure it would fit in a pocket too easily.

We are looking at something that is not moving at the full frame rate, and probably some GA Waverly Hills effect going on, too.

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4:29 am
September 18, 2011


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Post edited 4:30 am – September 18, 2011 by Learjet


That's right. There's motion blur, slow shutter and not many real frames to work with, not to mention it's dark lol. The slow shutter is also slower than their attempted debunk. So slow that real people WILL look semi transparent.

Anyone that's done a fair amount of night photography will know this, yet it somehow goes over their head.

Well that's 1000+ posts of (TV) Ghost Hunter bashing from me lol. Next 1000 I won't be so nice to them. Wink

OD'd on EMF

7:20 pm
September 18, 2011


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Congratulations on your 9th post!  (Darn, I've GOT to stop thinking in binary Smile)

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